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Posted: 6/2/2017 11:59:18 PM EDT
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Yes it is, but the wild speculation of just what it is makes for so much FUN
The one I was using certainly was even more fun than that though. 
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Posted: 6/3/2017 12:14:30 AM EDT
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Yes it is, but the wild speculation of just what it is makes for so much FUN
The one I was using certainly was even more fun than that though. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 12:19:12 AM EDT
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terry1 had the best post, pretty much right on the money.
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Posted: 6/3/2017 8:28:03 PM EDT
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We gotta do something till it ships right; help pass the time. Both these threads have had interesting details about the older q14 and what is coming soon. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 9:31:47 PM EDT
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I really think I will wait for the boson 640 Q14B 1X model in 2018 unless they make a 320 model with 19mm (1.5X ) lens version. That said I will buy the new boson 19mm 1.5X TWS for my suppressed rimfire rifle use .
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Posted: 6/4/2017 9:54:16 AM EDT
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I really think I will wait for the boson 640 Q14B 1X model in 2018 unless they make a 320 model with 19mm (1.5X ) lens version. That said I will buy the new boson 19mm 1.5X TWS for my suppressed rimfire rifle use . |
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Posted: 6/5/2017 3:52:56 PM EDT
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I'd put money on it that the "removal" of the weapon mountable feature was due to ITAR. I hear Boson is stil a bit up in the air in terms of exportability. Releasing the Q14b without the reticle and marketing it as a handheld makes it a lot easier for Flir to sell internationally. There must be a common platform between all the new Armasight products so the software that supports reticles has to exists. It was even shown at SHOT. If you do buy a Q14b, don't count on a simple software update that will enable reticles though. I agree that not having the weapon mount option reduces the overall appeal of the product. I think Flir would be foolish to not have a weapon mount variant (with a 19mm lens).
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Posted: 6/5/2017 5:16:58 PM EDT
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I'd put money on it that the "removal" of the weapon mountable feature was due to ITAR. I hear Boson is stil a bit up in the air in terms of exportability. Releasing the Q14b without the reticle and marketing it as a handheld makes it a lot easier for Flir to sell internationally. There must be a common platform between all the new Armasight products so the software that supports reticles has to exists. It was even shown at SHOT. If you do buy a Q14b, don't count on a simple software update that will enable reticles though. I agree that not having the weapon mount option reduces the overall appeal of the product. I think Flir would be foolish to not have a weapon mount variant (with a 19mm lens). |
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Posted: 6/5/2017 5:25:02 PM EDT
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Nothing has been confirmed yet from Flir re: any changes. I would assume they wouldn't put together a spec sheet and email it out months ahead if they had huge changes planned to it.
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Posted: 6/5/2017 5:48:18 PM EDT
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There are many changes planned via my visit to their facility and we are under NDA with FLIR with many products we test. Marketing should not have posted anything at that stage of development, thus why we refrain from placing specs on our web site...They live and learn and they have a new marketing team nowadays since those days.
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Posted: 6/5/2017 8:35:59 PM EDT
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Anyone have an arrival date? One that can be disclosed....estimated? Rough estimate? Wild Ass Guess? Bueller? Bueller?
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Posted: 6/5/2017 8:55:04 PM EDT
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Anyone have an arrival date? One that can be disclosed....estimated? Rough estimate? Wild Ass Guess? Bueller? Bueller? 
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Posted: 6/5/2017 10:45:17 PM EDT
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I remember being on the PS24 waiting list... so the q14B June ship date will be in October!
 all jokes aside if the Q14B is not going to work as a TWS I wish they would have said that at SS or at least make it clear at this point. the CS guys still says its going to be a TWS, this thread pretty much says other wise. I just wish FLIR would confirm it one way or the other so I could decide if I'm going to spend anymore time waiting on it.
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Posted: 6/6/2017 11:23:27 AM EDT
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I remember being on the PS24 waiting list... so the q14B June ship date will be in October! all jokes aside if the Q14B is not going to work as a TWS I wish they would have said that at SS or at least make it clear at this point. the CS guys still says its going to be a TWS, this thread pretty much says other wise. I just wish FLIR would confirm it one way or the other so I could decide if I'm going to spend anymore time waiting on it.
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Posted: 6/6/2017 11:58:25 AM EDT
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I don't understand - if the crosshair is already part of the software package for the standalone scopes, why would that not be made available for the Q14B series as part of the retail release? That is a huge setback. Given that the prior gen Q14 had crosshairs as part of the device software package, I hope the lack of crosshairs at retail launch for the newest model of the Q14 is being loudly communicated. With the speed the industry is moving, is it even worth buying this with the hope that the software reaches maturity in 5-6 years? I wonder what the anticipated product life-cycle is for this device. I hate to sound overly critical, but these are red flags for me. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 2:20:11 PM EDT
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. . . nothing has been communicated. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 2:48:34 PM EDT
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Well that's certainly not accurate. But I agree nothing has been finalized. There will be several variations of the 320 Boson in several platforms.
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Posted: 6/6/2017 3:06:36 PM EDT
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Adj., Semantics...Noting has been communicated on the final versions. There will be several variations of the 320 Boson in several platforms.Their own website would clearly lead a reasonable consumer to believe the Q14 Boson will be weapon-mountable. Fair says it has an "all new Boson core," then proceeds to show pics mounted to a weapon. Nowhere on Flir's product page does it say TWS or other advertised features are "from old models," or "subject to change." That's on FLIR. But FLIR's not here, and shots are being fired! Thank you for the stuff you have already brought to this thread and please keep it up. Quick Q: Should we have rec'd a confirmation when we sent a "put me on the list" email to [email protected]? Because I did not. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 3:11:37 PM EDT
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Nevermind.
Thanks vendors for posting what info you have when you have it. I just wish FLIR wouldn't have changed the specs because I pretty much sold my Q14 original based on what they indicated the Q14B was supposed to have. Shit happens. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 3:24:56 PM EDT
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No good deed goes unpunished. You are the messenger and are now taking hits that really aren't your fault at all. It's a mix of early feature teases by FLIR, poor follow-up communication from the company, a website that really should be taken down, and our rabid excitement. Their own website would clearly lead a reasonable consumer to believe the Q14 Boson will be weapon-mountable. Fair says it has an "all new Boson core," then proceeds to show pics mounted to a weapon. Nowhere on Flir's product page does it say TWS or other advertised features are "from old models," or "subject to change." That's on FLIR. But FLIR's not here, and shots are being fired! Thank you for the stuff you have already brought to this thread and please keep it up. Quick Q: Should we have rec'd a confirmation when we sent a "put me on the list" email to [email protected]? Because I did not. It appears several have to take down or modify some initial claims etc. from spec sheets released.
For the others we did talk with FLIR a few ago this morning who have announced the unit I have shown in this thread, the Q14B will only be hand held and helmet mountable. As stated, other models will be forthcoming but for now the Q14B will only be in this configuration. email sales at tnvc dot com again to be sure you are on the list. Jaimie can verify. Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 4:52:37 PM EDT
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Nevermind. Thanks vendors for posting what info you have when you have it. I just wish FLIR wouldn't have changed the specs because I pretty much sold my Q14 original based on what they indicated the Q14B was supposed to have. Shit happens. 
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Posted: 6/8/2017 7:21:45 PM EDT
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Hey FA, as I've been mentioning all along, nothing has been finalized on final release and what exact models. This is why we don't place things on our web site regarding specs. The purpose of this thread was to primarily show the new 12um 320 core capabilities for the first time with actual vids and what the latest Q14B looks like with no final word on units. Been saying that early on, NOTHING has been finalized. |
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Posted: 6/8/2017 10:36:44 PM EDT
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Ok, I get being disappointed....but is it anyone else super stoked about having such a small lightweight cheap capable spotter?
Yeah, "super stoked". My application isn't WM...so - but really, this capable at this price point... wow. YMMV |
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Posted: 6/8/2017 11:15:33 PM EDT
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Here is the tiny Q-14B next to a SureFire CR123 and a BOSON core assembly and the C-Series Boson Clip-On TWS:
Due to all the anticipatpatory misconstrued hypothetical musings expressed here-in that is all I have to say about it except it has a plethora of f/1.0 lens assemblies to choose from including 50 & 75mm and maybe 100mm if you've got the coin to swing that.
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Posted: 6/9/2017 11:18:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:<snip> [is] anyone else super stoked about having such a small lightweight cheap capable spotter? I don't need it to be a reticled scope at this price point. |
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Posted: 6/9/2017 12:42:42 PM EDT
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I plan on getting a 640 tws for my rifle when they are released but wanted a handheld for scanning or a loaner weapon sight so a friend could join in.
Guess I will have to wait and get a 320 tws for a scanner/loaner sight. |
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Posted: 6/9/2017 2:34:30 PM EDT
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Ok, I get being disappointed....but is it anyone else super stoked about having such a small lightweight cheap capable spotter? Yeah, "super stoked". My application isn't WM...so - but really, this capable at this price point... wow. YMMV 
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Posted: 6/15/2017 12:36:36 PM EDT
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Put me in this camp. As I said previously, I think there's great value in a sub-$2K handheld and helmet-mountable thermal scanner. I paid that much for my Pulsar HD19A, which has already proven ten times more effective than NVDs for the limited purpose of detecting far-away and obscured targets. I don't need it to be a reticled scope at this price point.
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Posted: 6/15/2017 1:41:58 PM EDT
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How are you night-hunters who already have NVDs planning to integrate this device into your routine? |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:18:51 PM EDT
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What is the best option for using both a PVS-14 and the FLIR Q14B with a helmet? What's the best flip up/out solution for running two different optic systems independent of each other? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are you night-hunters who already have NVDs planning to integrate this device into your routine? There will be two adapters offered, one bayonet and a dovetail solution. I have not seen final iterations of these adapters just yet. I will report back once we do and get a chance to play with them.
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Posted: 6/18/2017 2:16:20 PM EDT
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I tried a 640 core M-24 thermal over one eye and a PVS-14 over the other with a dual mount and it is way to disorientating be be of any productive use, both have different FOV, focus points and presentation is basically use one eye or the other, not a good setup at all.
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Posted: 6/19/2017 10:58:14 AM EDT
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Ever think they'll make make a COTI setup for it like skeetir?
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Posted: 6/19/2017 3:04:36 PM EDT
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@TNVC is there an existing mounting system that would allow user to flip-up and down MNVD on left eye and Q14 on right eye? So you're walking a trail looking for hogs with the MNVD and when you get to a clearing and want to take a quick hands-free thermal scan you pop the MNVD up and pop the Q14 down.
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Posted: 6/19/2017 3:44:22 PM EDT
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Hi 35Rem, hard to say as FLIR has not shown the final options on what mounting adapters will be utilized just yet. Wilcox does have a dual independent flip up dovetail system (Bayo or DT) we offer that is popular. More to come...
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Posted: 6/19/2017 5:31:53 PM EDT
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Hi 35Rem, hard to say as FLIR has not shown the final options on what mounting adapters will be utilized just yet. Wilcox does have a dual independent flip up dovetail system (Bayo or DT) we offer that is popular. More to come... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/Bridge_PVS14_ex_zpsguhxbx6g.jpg |
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Posted: 6/19/2017 5:44:30 PM EDT
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Hi 35Rem, hard to say as FLIR has not shown the final options on what mounting adapters will be utilized just yet. Wilcox does have a dual independent flip up dovetail system (Bayo or DT) we offer that is popular. More to come... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/Bridge_PVS14_ex_zpsguhxbx6g.jpg It really does not work well for your mind to seeing one eye thermal and one eye NV, it is much better for me to just run two M-24 thermals or two PVS-14s. I'm sure that running two Boson Q-14s would be a real nice setup though as they are very lightweight. |
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Posted: 6/19/2017 6:39:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:It really does not work well for your mind to seeing one eye thermal and one eye NV Thanks, all. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:45:04 PM EDT
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Latest news from FLIR in response to questions on the initial release of the Q14B at Shot when first shown.
FLIR is constantly seeking consumer feedback. As we expanded our feedback loop to a larger pool of end-users in Q1, we were convinced that eyepiece optic would be served better as an application-specific device. That is: monocular eyepieces provide short eye relief. When mounted to most weapons, comfort and ergonomics get compromised. As a result, FLIR’s new breakthrough FLIR Q14b powered by its Boson core will be launched as a hand held monocular and helmet mounted product only, with no weapon mounting capability. The product will also be renamed to avoid cross-references to the existing Quark-based FLIR Q14. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:51:56 PM EDT
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Latest news from FLIR in response to questions on the initial release of the Q14B at Shot when first shown. FLIR is constantly seeking consumer feedback. As we expanded our feedback loop to a larger pool of end-users in Q1, we were convinced that eyepiece optic would be served better as an application-specific device. That is: monocular eyepieces provide short eye relief. When mounted to most weapons, comfort and ergonomics get compromised. As a result, FLIR’s new breakthrough FLIR Q14b powered by its Boson core will be launched as a hand held monocular and helmet mounted product only, with no weapon mounting capability. The product will also be renamed to avoid cross-references to the existing Quark-based FLIR Q14. Thanks @TNVC for keeping us in the loop. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:37:40 PM EDT
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Latest news from FLIR in response to questions on the initial release of the Q14B at Shot when first shown. FLIR is constantly seeking consumer feedback. As we expanded our feedback loop to a larger pool of end-users in Q1, we were convinced that eyepiece optic would be served better as an application-specific device. That is: monocular eyepieces provide short eye relief. When mounted to most weapons, comfort and ergonomics get compromised. As a result, FLIR’s new breakthrough FLIR Q14b powered by its Boson core will be launched as a hand held monocular and helmet mounted product only, with no weapon mounting capability. The product will also be renamed to avoid cross-references to the existing Quark-based FLIR Q14. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:36:03 PM EDT
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If they're truely looking for customer feedback they should look at all the unhappy people in the other locked thread.
I doubt that any real consumers polled said they'd like less features in the device. Im convinced that this is purely a marketing decision by FLIR since they don't want this to compete with their new boson tws products coming out. I sold my PS24 for this and was excited to have a device that would do more than my old PS24. I'm sure the Q14 will be a MUCH better scanner than my PS24, but with out the TWS capability it won't do anything more than my PS24. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 6:53:23 PM EDT
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I'm still game. I wish they would ship them
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Posted: 6/22/2017 7:31:53 PM EDT
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so they are still going to sell the Q14 as a weapons sight but not the boson because of "comfort and ergonomics"? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 9:00:26 PM EDT
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so they are still going to sell the Q14 as a weapons sight but not the boson because of "comfort and ergonomics"?
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Posted: 6/22/2017 9:07:45 PM EDT
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I'm still game. I wish they would ship them Let's GOOOO!!! |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 10:18:23 PM EDT
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I did not read it that way except it's simply a naming conventuon change, but I can inquire further details. Thank you. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:56:08 AM EDT
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Well, that really sucks. I was hoping FLIR would have a change of heart and keep the TWS capabilities, but that press release from TNVC confirms it...
I guess FLIR just lost my business. There is nothing this device offers over the old Q14. Using the same name was a mistake. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 8:59:02 AM EDT
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Well, that really sucks. I was hoping FLIR would have a change of heart and keep the TWS capabilities, but that press release from TNVC confirms it... I guess FLIR just lost my business. There is nothing this device offers over the old Q14. Using the same name was a mistake. 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 9:02:49 AM EDT
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A whole bunch of hype for nothing.
More fake news 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 9:25:59 AM EDT
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I'm in for the Boson core helmet mount with 9.1mm lens and the Boson Clip-On TWS with 25mm lens.
Boson is a total thermal game changer for the foreseeable future!
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