FLIR's 12um Boson Core, Updates and Reviews. PTS233, 536, 736, and BREACH /PIC of new 640 12um Pg.14 - Page 7

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Posted: 8/1/2017 4:36:06 PM EDT

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You can pre-order now with NightGoggles dot com and also TNVC. NGI has them on the web site now and you can also email sales at tnvc dot com. We will be one of the 1st few companies getting these in a few weeks.

Posted: 8/1/2017 4:37:39 PM EDT

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So does it not have "graded fire" or "hottest" color palette choices?

Which looked to be a black hot version of instalert?

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Yes, it has those and many more.

Posted: 8/1/2017 4:39:31 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/1/2017 4:44:29 PM EDT

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Hey Brother, the Q14 is still slated to arrive in the next few months. This new Pro 19mm I handled and also showed pics on Pg. 1 during my visit will be released in 2 weeks or so. More to come...

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what about the Q14B?

hopefully that will be included in the top secret classified release today, unless its already out.
I stopped looking in this thread to keep from getting excited about the Q14B until it came out

I'm not really interested in a TWS

This thread has been edited to be a discussion of the boson core now it appears.
It's not exclusive to the q14b as it originally started.

There appears to be no information regarding the Q14B.
Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

Hey Brother, the Q14 is still slated to arrive in the next few months. This new Pro 19mm I handled and also showed pics on Pg. 1 during my visit will be released in 2 weeks or so. More to come...

Next few months :/ I was hoping for august....I better keep fingers crossed for christmas at this point.

Posted: 8/1/2017 5:04:19 PM EDT

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How would this compare to a weapon mounted Q14B? They seem to have the same specs for the most part.

If the performance is almost the same I would definitely prefer the versatility of the Q14B.

Posted: 8/1/2017 5:06:55 PM EDT

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How would this compare to a weapon mounted Q14B? They seem to have the same specs for the most part.

If the performance is almost the same I would definitely prefer the versatility of the Q14B.

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Except for the 9.1mm lens of the Q14 and 19mm for the Pro, image rez why they are identical.

Posted: 8/1/2017 5:20:10 PM EDT

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If the performance is almost the same I would definitely prefer the versatility of the Q14B.

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So would a bunch of us. Haha

The Q14 is no longer being marketed as being weapon capable.

Posted: 8/1/2017 5:26:57 PM EDT

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So would a bunch of us. Haha

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Primarily due to the fact it was barely marginal for a TWS.

Posted: 8/1/2017 5:43:03 PM EDT

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What is the caliber limit on this new scope that is now the discussion of this topic?

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Posted: 8/1/2017 5:54:19 PM EDT

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Primarily due to the fact it was barely marginal for a TWS.

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Just because of the smaller lens?

They're certainly still advertising it as weapon capable on FLIR's site and Armasight's store.

Posted: 8/1/2017 6:47:24 PM EDT

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The 320 Boson core image view is as good as most any 640 core out there.

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How do you think the image would compare to something like The Pulsar Trail xp38 640 50hz? How about against something like the IR Patrol? Do you think there will be a 640 60hz version of the new FLIR scope?

I'm thinking about a TWS for use out to about 200 yards. I'm really looking for the best combination of image, size, and price. Not as worried about high magnification, helmet mounting, recording, etc.

Posted: 8/2/2017 10:15:33 AM EDT

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Posted: 8/2/2017 4:37:00 PM EDT

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Will helmet mounting this unit be possible/feasible ? Is this listed weight with the mount ?

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IMHO, no.

Posted: 8/3/2017 8:49:03 AM EDT

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"How do you think the image would compare to something like The Pulsar Trail xp38 640 50hz? How about against something like the IR Patrol? Do you think there will be a 640 60hz version of the new FLIR scope?"

To anwser your question I'm sure the new Boson 320 is awesome and first field reports/reviews pretty much confirm that. it's a super nice 320 core with great contrast there are a few pictures and limited reviews already out including on YouTube. That said there is a lot more pixels on a 640 core so I wouldn't expect the 320 to be clear/sharper than some of the newer models 640 cores be it a Tau 2, BAE or ULIS core. I have a Pulsar XP38 it's super nice and very clear/sharp I can tell you that first hand.

Personally, I'm going to wait for FLIR to release a small thermal Boson monocular or the same TWS above with 640 boson core. That sucker is going to be truley wicked :)

Posted: 8/3/2017 11:48:51 AM EDT

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What is the caliber limit on this new scope that is now the discussion of this topic?

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FLIR says .308.

Posted: 8/3/2017 12:06:44 PM EDT

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"How do you think the image would compare to something like The Pulsar Trail xp38 640 50hz? How about against something like the IR Patrol? Do you think there will be a 640 60hz version of the new FLIR scope?"

To anwser your question I'm sure the new Boson 320 is awesome and first field reports/reviews pretty much confirm that. it's a super nice 320 core with great contrast there are a few pictures and limited reviews already out including on YouTube. That said there is a lot more pixels on a 640 core so I wouldn't expect the 320 to be clear/sharper than some of the newer models 640 cores be it a Tau 2, BAE or ULIS core. I have a Pulsar XP38 it's super nice and very clear/sharp I can tell you that first hand.

Personally, I'm going to wait for FLIR to release a small thermal Boson monocular or the same TWS above with 640 boson core. That sucker is going to be truley wicked :)

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These new Boson cores have better resolution than anything we've ever seen in a 320 core. That being said, the 640 cores found in the new Pulsar models still have better resolution. I would say at least 35% better. That's the benefit of a 640 core. The Trijicon EO units are still the best resolution out there. Pulsar 640 would be next. FLIR 320 Boson after that and the Pulsar XQ models aren't that far off the pace either.

It will be interesting to see if the 640 Boson can dethrone the BAE 12um king that Trijicon EO is.

Posted: 8/3/2017 1:35:18 PM EDT

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Stupid question. How do you zero a thermal scope? I mean how does it see the circles or bullseye on the target?

Posted: 8/3/2017 1:40:26 PM EDT

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hand warmers work well for zero'ing.

Posted: 8/3/2017 1:54:36 PM EDT

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Stupid question. How do you zero a thermal scope? I mean how does it see the circles or bullseye on the target?

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There are several ways to see targets with thermal. Heat differential is one of them Chaos alluded to. Another way is to heat up the end of a brass casing and poke a whole in some cardboard. You can also search the this NV forum, as you will find a wealth of options.

Posted: 8/3/2017 5:18:00 PM EDT

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It will be interesting to see if the 640 Boson can dethrone the BAE 12um king that Trijicon EO is.

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I'm anxious to see that too. I'll bet the boson will be better than the BAE 640.

Boson should have more processing power built into to the chip with that secondary video chip embedded.

So when will y'all put up some video? Have I just missed finding it?

Posted: 8/3/2017 5:31:10 PM EDT

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Stupid question. How do you zero a thermal scope? I mean how does it see the circles or bullseye on the target?

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Toasty toe (toe warmers) have sticky on one side. Simply peel off backing and apply to target.

Posted: 8/3/2017 6:45:41 PM EDT

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Stupid question. How do you zero a thermal scope? I mean how does it see the circles or bullseye on the target?

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Doesn't have to be a hot target either. In the summer, I shoot cold or frozen bottles of water. I even shot icecream sandwiches one day cause that's all I could find. Worked very well!

Posted: 8/3/2017 7:56:43 PM EDT

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I tape a small aluminum foil square on my target.

Posted: 8/5/2017 5:41:55 PM EDT

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They're also dedicated thermal targets as well that work off of angle of incidence and even electrical gradient overlay targets.

Posted: 8/5/2017 11:20:30 PM EDT

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Doesn't have to be a hot target either. In the summer, I shoot cold or frozen bottles of water. I even shot icecream sandwiches one day cause that's all I could find. Worked very well!

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The reactive targets are fun and a cold bottle of water for zeroing will prep you for the blood splatter you see on thermal head shots.

Posted: 8/7/2017 6:21:44 PM EDT

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Couldn't care less about the TWS, but from what was said above, is the Q14B monocle not being released for several more months now?

Posted: 8/8/2017 2:53:42 PM EDT

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Couldn't care less about the TWS, but from what was said above, is the Q14B monocle not being released for several more months now?

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Yes still on the books.

Posted: 8/8/2017 4:22:17 PM EDT

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Yes still on the books.

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Couldn't care less about the TWS, but from what was said above, is the Q14B monocle not being released for several more months now?

Yes still on the books.

Come on Flir....clearly was your most popular item at shot....make first priority!!

Posted: 8/9/2017 12:40:06 AM EDT

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Come on Flir....clearly was your most popular item at shot....make first priority!!

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+1

Posted: 8/9/2017 1:06:13 PM EDT

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last I heard was late September - early October. The same person said the main reason they dropped the ret was for ITAR regulations. They also said to that a version that has the features I'm looking for is still a possibility. Meh if it happens I'll probably buy one but I'm not taking FLIR at its word anymore.

Posted: 8/13/2017 4:53:58 PM EDT

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Doesn't have to be a hot target either. In the summer, I shoot cold or frozen bottles of water. I even shot icecream sandwiches one day cause that's all I could find. Worked very well!

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And I was hungry that day too! Bastards!

Posted: 8/13/2017 5:30:50 PM EDT

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2-4 weeks is what it said on checkout when i ordered mine.

While i think i would have been happier waiting for the 640, i currenty have no NV or thermal.
I am only looking for entry level, so doubt ill be dissapointed.

Posted: 8/17/2017 3:10:33 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/18/2017 6:08:02 AM EDT

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When will they release an identical unit with bigger lens and more magnification? Needs over 2x or it is too short ranged with a 320 core.

Posted: 8/18/2017 11:47:22 AM EDT

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When will they release an identical unit with bigger lens and more magnification? Needs over 2x or it is too short ranged with a 320 core.

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We are told that is also coming soon. I took pictures with those units on Pg.2. Thank you.

Posted: 8/18/2017 10:44:06 PM EDT

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Looks like the pts223 is coming along nicely.
Any news on the little guy?

Posted: 8/24/2017 11:44:35 AM EDT

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Looks like the pts223 is coming along nicely.
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Bummer.

Posted: 8/24/2017 4:13:23 PM EDT

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Looks like the pts223 is coming along nicely.
Any news on the little guy?

Bummer.

The weapons sight model isn't shipping yet...at this point I'm worried about getting a q14b before Christmas.

Posted: 8/24/2017 4:22:14 PM EDT

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The weapons sight model isn't shipping yet...at this point I'm worried about getting a q14b before Christmas.

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When will they ship?

Posted: 9/14/2017 8:52:22 PM EDT

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Any word on the Q14B? I haven't heard anything about it recently and RUMINT on another place was that they were pulling it

Posted: 9/22/2017 3:11:31 PM EDT

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No Sir, they still plan on releasing it. No ETA just yet as they work on the final firmware.

Posted: 9/22/2017 3:20:22 PM EDT

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I have heard it's renamed the Q14Breach now.

Posted: 9/22/2017 10:08:40 PM EDT

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Yup, changed a couple of months ago

Posted: 9/23/2017 7:05:32 AM EDT

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We are told that is also coming soon. I took pictures with those units on Pg.2. Thank you.

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When will they release an identical unit with bigger lens and more magnification? Needs over 2x or it is too short ranged with a 320 core.

We are told that is also coming soon. I took pictures with those units on Pg.2. Thank you.

What will the pricing look like on one with more magnification?

Posted: 9/23/2017 1:54:33 PM EDT

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What will the pricing look like on one with more magnification?

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When will they release an identical unit with bigger lens and more magnification? Needs over 2x or it is too short ranged with a 320 core.

We are told that is also coming soon. I took pictures with those units on Pg.2. Thank you.

What will the pricing look like on one with more magnification?

While exact pricing is not released as yet...No doubt with extra germanium glass, pricing is higher.

Posted: 9/23/2017 2:01:29 PM EDT

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While exact pricing is not released as yet...No doubt with extra germanium glass, pricing is higher.

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Like what, maybe 500 bucks for the next model up over the PTS233? I'm just guaging whether I should wait and go up one, or if the PTS233 will be just fine, which is the way I'm leaning right now. Honestly, I don't see taking wildly long range shots, especially here in Indiana, so the PTS233 should fit the bill, while still serving well for an occasional Texas hog hunt. Still, I am curious as to what advantages the next model up will have.

Thanks for the info!

Posted: 9/23/2017 4:27:23 PM EDT

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Like what, maybe 500 bucks for the next model up over the PTS233? I'm just guaging whether I should wait and go up one, or if the PTS233 will be just fine, which is the way I'm leaning right now. Honestly, I don't see taking wildly long range shots, especially here in Indiana, so the PTS233 should fit the bill, while still serving well for an occasional Texas hog hunt. Still, I am curious as to what advantages the next model up will have.

Thanks for the info!

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While exact pricing is not released as yet...No doubt with extra germanium glass, pricing is higher.

Like what, maybe 500 bucks for the next model up over the PTS233? I'm just guaging whether I should wait and go up one, or if the PTS233 will be just fine, which is the way I'm leaning right now. Honestly, I don't see taking wildly long range shots, especially here in Indiana, so the PTS233 should fit the bill, while still serving well for an occasional Texas hog hunt. Still, I am curious as to what advantages the next model up will have.

Thanks for the info!

I would say you're in the right ballpark.