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Posted: 5/19/2018 7:02:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4DoorEKk:
What are some reasons people prefer sentinels over mod3s? I'm stuck and am leaning toward the mod3 solely for the ability to play with a friend.  
I have already dropped the sentinels from my helmet while wearing them, right on the pavement. No issues at all! You can find good deals in EE on a set of gen3 -14s |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 1:03:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4DoorEKk:
What are some reasons people prefer sentinels over mod3s? I’m stuck and am leaning toward the mod3 solely for the ability to play with a friend. 
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Posted: 5/20/2018 9:21:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4DoorEKk]
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I appreciate all of the input. My other dilemma is if I’m going to go with a dedicated dual tube unit I think I would prefer the BNVD-SG over the sentinel for the ability to fold them back etc. Guess I should of mentioned that sooner. I currently have a 1 year old TNVC PVS-14. Is the TNVC 10 year warranty transferrable if I were to sell the -14? I can’t really afford to keep it and get a dual tube. How robust are the BNVD compared to the sentinel? I’m not on an operator mind you, just a hobbyist/ responsible armed citizen. Last thought, I’ve thought about the ball detent mount but I currently have a Wilcox G24. Are the ball detent mounts as sturdy as a g24/ dovetail setup?
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Posted: 5/20/2018 9:24:53 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye:
Sentinels are tough. If you really want to split them then Mod 3 is the way to go. I made the decision to go with Sentinels because after using binos I realized that I'm not going to want to give one up just to share with someone who is too cheap to buy their own night vision. My plan was to put together a cheap PVS-14 for a loaner unit. Then I ended up with another set of Sentinels... lol https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/260726/20180512_131810-549515.jpg
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Posted: 5/21/2018 2:18:14 PM EDT
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Glad I can finally participate in this thread. Just received my white phosphor DTNVG's today. Next up is getting a bump helmet and counter ballast!
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Posted: 5/21/2018 2:41:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee:
The threaded objective ring of the ANVIS is nominally the same size as that of the PVS-14, measuring my AVS-6 objectives versus the PVS-14 objectives on my MOD-3s, there was a .01" difference. Most PVS-14 lens accessories will work perfectly fine with the threaded ANVIS objectives (there are ANVIS objectives without the threaded collar that are a smaller diameter), the internal threading is identical to work with LIFs, and the OD is close enough that accessories like the PVS-14 compass and others work just fine with ANVIS objectives. The Butler Creek 09A Eye fits the same on the ANVIS objective as it does on a PVS-14 objective, a little bit of electrical tape as a shim gets a good friction fit. ~Augee Anyway, I think this is either exactly what you're talking about, or at least related, but you can use pvs-14/Sent style amber filters on pvs-15's if you're in a bind too. They restrict the movement of the rear focus ring slightly, so you might have to jury-rig the front focus a little different, but it's never been too much of a problem for me. I didn't even know this was something people didn't know you could do until I was taking to a friend who builds NOD's, lol. He was talking to his other friend who actually builds them as a profession, and neither knew it was even possible apparently, lol.  Attached File Attached FileThat helmet might look familiar too btw. 
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Posted: 5/21/2018 4:54:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hoosier_Home:
Glad I can finally participate in this thread. Just received my white phosphor DTNVG's today. Next up is getting a bump helmet and counter ballast! https://i.imgur.com/93mlrZH.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/93mlrZH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8tMN0iV.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/8tMN0iV.jpg |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 5:09:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hoosier_Home]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TATBME:
Nice, where’d you order your DTNVG’s from? http://www.ownnight.com/ My Dtnvg's have photonis echo tubes and were $7,000 although there are other options that they offer.  Act in Black DTNVG Overview This guy recorded the night vision scenes with the same tubes although I believe he did buy them from another company. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 5:39:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hoosier_Home:
Glad I can finally participate in this thread. Just received my white phosphor DTNVG's today. Next up is getting a bump helmet and counter ballast! https://i.imgur.com/93mlrZH.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/93mlrZH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8tMN0iV.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/8tMN0iV.jpg 
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Posted: 5/21/2018 7:03:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC: You may want to look at our helmet selection and MOHAWK ballast that seems to be getting in many hands all over the world.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19096/Czech_Army_SOF-551375.jpg
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Posted: 5/22/2018 6:21:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4DoorEKk]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC: You may want to look at our helmet selection and MOHAWK ballast that seems to be getting in many hands all over the world.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19096/Czech_Army_SOF-551375.jpg Nice setup Hoosier! Now go finish painting!
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Posted: 5/22/2018 4:39:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kwikvette]
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Went from TAN to BLACK
Waiting for my Team Wendy Peltor adapters and Hel-Star 4 strobe to arrive...if only they made Peltor Comtac III's in black or gray. |
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Posted: 5/22/2018 6:19:31 PM EDT
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Team Wendy Exfill LTP that I painted OD green. WP Sentinels from TNVC on a Wilcox G24. Mohawk and Princeton Tec light.
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Posted: 5/27/2018 3:28:12 PM EDT
[#14]
Maybe at the end of the year I can finally add some goggles to this helmet in exchange for my 14’s.
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Posted: 5/27/2018 4:37:09 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hoosier_Home:
Glad I can finally participate in this thread. Just received my white phosphor DTNVG's today. Next up is getting a bump helmet and counter ballast! https://i.imgur.com/93mlrZH.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/93mlrZH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8tMN0iV.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/8tMN0iV.jpg |
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Posted: 5/27/2018 4:42:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By great308:
Maybe at the end of the year I can finally add some goggles to this helmet in exchange for my 14’s. https://i.imgur.com/5xjc7b4.jpg Got my black one as I posted up above. |
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Posted: 5/27/2018 4:52:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kwikvette:
Glad to see the mount got to you right away! Got my black one as I posted up above. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kwikvette:
Originally Posted By great308:
Maybe at the end of the year I can finally add some goggles to this helmet in exchange for my 14’s. https://i.imgur.com/5xjc7b4.jpg Got my black one as I posted up above. I’m really liking the all black! I’m slowly building full multicam black equipment. I’m kind of in love with both multicam black and Arid. I think a second helmet in black is in the future. |
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Posted: 5/27/2018 5:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By great308: It did, it came quicker than I thought! Thanks for working with me and I left you good feedback. Gearing up for ether sentinel or BNVD’s at the end of the year so my G11 had to go. I’m really liking the all black! I’m slowly building full multicam black equipment. I’m kind of in love with both multicam black and Arid. I think a second helmet in black is in the future. |
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Posted: 5/27/2018 5:54:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kwikvette:
I may actually go BNVD's or Sentinels myself; love my Mod3B's but I never separate them to justify having slightly heavier bino's. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kwikvette:
Originally Posted By great308: It did, it came quicker than I thought! Thanks for working with me and I left you good feedback. Gearing up for ether sentinel or BNVD’s at the end of the year so my G11 had to go. I’m really liking the all black! I’m slowly building full multicam black equipment. I’m kind of in love with both multicam black and Arid. I think a second helmet in black is in the future. So basically I have no idea which I want unless I can find the mini BNVD's for a good price then in which case those will be it. |
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Posted: 5/27/2018 7:16:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By great308: Yeah I had thought about mod3's but I don't think id ever separate them. The BNVD is winning out mostly because of being lighter although even then they are all pretty darn close to same weight. I have a crap ton of time behind avs9's which makes me want a sentinel but I honestly think ill use the swinging tubes more than Id need the robustness of the sentinels. So basically I have no idea which I want unless I can find the mini BNVD's for a good price then in which case those will be it. |
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Posted: 5/27/2018 7:22:02 PM EDT
[#21]
Got it back earlier than expected
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Posted: 5/27/2018 10:20:18 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By murtis: Oh, they finally added one extra position for the power switch. I recently had my DTNVG housing upgraded from a proto to a late model, but have still the old switch with just one ON position. I guess the other ON disables the auto shutoff when stowed? |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 2:47:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: murtis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: No, Glynn got that idea from me lol. I didn't like the factory DTNVG switch so just threw a standard pvs14 one on there. He liked it so he started doing it. That said the factory one does make it easier to know by feel if it's powered. They have kept improving the auto-shutoff logic (guys have your SW updated if you have an old model) and thought they added in a way to disable it alltogether. There are situations I think could trigger the shutoff when you wouldn't want it to happen (though a quick power off/on will bring it back in case of a misdetected stow). |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 3:41:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By murtis:
Hah well of course! I'd consider changing it too if I was able to order a PVS-14 knob.. A knob is dangerous in the wrong hands! Sure there's some quality off-"brand" -14's being made but I have no idea where to ask, except ACT themselves maybe. (also it makes me envious to hear a $7000 DTNVG with Photonis Echo tubes in it is possible. Waiting for prices here but I have a hunch it'll be a nice 4K more) That said the factory one does make it easier to know by feel if it's powered. They have kept improving the auto-shutoff logic (guys have your SW updated if you have an old model) and thought they added in a way to disable it alltogether. There are situations I think could trigger the shutoff when you wouldn't want it to happen (though a quick power off/on will bring it back in case of a misdetected stow). Makes sense. |
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Posted: 5/30/2018 2:21:16 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye:
Sentinels are tough. If you really want to split them then Mod 3 is the way to go. I made the decision to go with Sentinels because after using binos I realized that I'm not going to want to give one up just to share with someone who is too cheap to buy their own night vision. My plan was to put together a cheap PVS-14 for a loaner unit. Then I ended up with another set of Sentinels... lol https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/260726/20180512_131810-549515.jpg |
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Posted: 5/30/2018 3:16:50 PM EDT
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Gotta pay to play.... save those pennies! Took me a few years to save for my 14’s and now I’m about 6 months away or so after a few years for getting goggles. The ramen save plan works
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Posted: 5/30/2018 3:32:05 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By murtis:
Hah well of course! I'd consider changing it too if I was able to order a PVS-14 knob.. A knob is dangerous in the wrong hands! Sure there's some quality off-"brand" -14's being made but I have no idea where to ask, except ACT themselves maybe. (also it makes me envious to hear a $7000 DTNVG with Photonis Echo tubes in it is possible. Waiting for prices here but I have a hunch it'll be a nice 4K more) That said the factory one does make it easier to know by feel if it's powered. They have kept improving the auto-shutoff logic (guys have your SW updated if you have an old model) and thought they added in a way to disable it alltogether. There are situations I think could trigger the shutoff when you wouldn't want it to happen (though a quick power off/on will bring it back in case of a misdetected stow). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By murtis:
Originally Posted By brodband8: No, Glynn got that idea from me lol. I didn't like the factory DTNVG switch so just threw a standard pvs14 one on there. He liked it so he started doing it. That said the factory one does make it easier to know by feel if it's powered. They have kept improving the auto-shutoff logic (guys have your SW updated if you have an old model) and thought they added in a way to disable it alltogether. There are situations I think could trigger the shutoff when you wouldn't want it to happen (though a quick power off/on will bring it back in case of a misdetected stow). |
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Posted: 5/30/2018 3:59:31 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARADDICT556: geez.. how do you guys afford a bino setup? they r so expensive.. i cant even afford a pvs-14!
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Posted: 5/30/2018 4:04:07 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARADDICT556:
geez.. how do you guys afford a bino setup? they r so expensive.. i cant even afford a pvs-14! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARADDICT556:
Originally Posted By sbye:
Sentinels are tough. If you really want to split them then Mod 3 is the way to go. I made the decision to go with Sentinels because after using binos I realized that I'm not going to want to give one up just to share with someone who is too cheap to buy their own night vision. My plan was to put together a cheap PVS-14 for a loaner unit. Then I ended up with another set of Sentinels... lol https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/260726/20180512_131810-549515.jpg Or just quit being poor
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Posted: 5/30/2018 4:23:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARADDICT556: geez.. how do you guys afford a bino setup? they r so expensive.. i cant even afford a pvs-14! |
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Posted: 5/30/2018 4:54:45 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TATBME:
Man you have to sacrifice something. It took me awhile to take the plunge because I knew it was going to be expensive. I bought the little stuff first like the helmet, I just used it with my GoPro to record range sessions. I finally snagged a 14 when I found a deal. Now I want a DTNVG and I’ll have it, but first I promised myself I’d get a new deck built before I bought one. |
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Posted: 5/30/2018 5:00:50 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARADDICT556:
well i have managed to save $1,500 so far in 2 yrs. i have 2 kids in collage so it is not easy Please don't take offense, because I don't mean it that way. |
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Posted: 5/30/2018 11:52:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARADDICT556: well i have managed to save $1,500 so far in 2 yrs. i have 2 kids in collage so it is not easy |
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Posted: 5/31/2018 12:52:30 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye:
That's why. I have 0 kids right now. My Sentinels are my kids lol. |
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Posted: 5/31/2018 3:35:28 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dag34: Wait, are my DTNVGs supposed to turn off when flipped up (with out rotating the individual tubes) like a 14? |
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Posted: 5/31/2018 6:38:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dag34]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By murtis: Yeah, but the sensitivity is a bit different depending on which software version you are running with (only vendors have the tools to check that out and upgrade). The very first model turned off when the googles pointed vertical or just a tad beyond. The newest then again needs to be stowed more ”over the vertical”, towarda the helmet. A lot less mis-detrctions. Actually zero unless you really really want it to happen.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/31/2018 7:15:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: murtis]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dag34: Interesting, I will have to test it tonight. Currently with the G24 mount it does not turn off when flipped up. I will try my AKA 2 mount. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/432670/20180531_184123-561368.JPG Just turn it on, and rotate your DTNVG from horizontal to slightly "past vertical". Like this (-- = DTNVG, O = head/helmet, initially looking to right hand side): horizontal O-- , then O/, then vertical O | , and finally stowed O\. And if it doesn't shut off, then continue tilting the helmet / DTNVG more "past vertical". There is no magnetic sensor like in some units, but sensors that try to sense at what orientation the main housing is and when it recognizes going "through the vertical position" and then continue the movement past it -> it thinks it's stowed and shuts off until you bring it close to horizontal again. Or flick the power switch off/on. Edit: Just realized I am explaining this like to a child, please don't take any offence My G24 + DTNVG is right on the edge where it will shut off automatically. If I am looking down when flipping the binos up they won't shut off until I flick my head backward a bit to get them go to that "past vertical" position. After it's happened it does come on by accident if for example you're working with something close to the ground. I never trust the feature 100%. For some tens of seconds in bright light yeah, but any longer than that and I turn the side pods against the helmet to make sure it's off.
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Posted: 5/31/2018 7:44:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dag34]
[#38]
No offense taken LOL, I like the pictograph descriptions.
I can see where that could cause some issues. EDIT: They do turn off when canted just beyond vertical. |
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Posted: 6/1/2018 1:55:55 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By murtis:
There is the slight possibility that this option is turned off in some units due to it not being 100% reliable in the past. I don't know, but I am guessing people with the software & correct cable to upgrade the SW/firmware can also tune, mostly enable/disable, some parameters like that auto-shutoff when stowed. Could be they can just upgrade the firmware and not tune it in any way. At ACT HQ obviously they can do whatever they want. Just turn it on, and rotate your DTNVG from horizontal to slightly "past vertical". Like this (-- = DTNVG, O = head/helmet, initially looking to right hand side): horizontal O-- , then O/, then vertical O | , and finally stowed O\. And if it doesn't shut off, then continue tilting the helmet / DTNVG more "past vertical". There is no magnetic sensor like in some units, but sensors that try to sense at what orientation the main housing is and when it recognizes going "through the vertical position" and then continue the movement past it -> it thinks it's stowed and shuts off until you bring it close to horizontal again. Or flick the power switch off/on. Edit: Just realized I am explaining this like to a child, please don't take any offence My G24 + DTNVG is right on the edge where it will shut off automatically. If I am looking down when flipping the binos up they won't shut off until I flick my head backward a bit to get them go to that "past vertical" position. After it's happened it does come on by accident if for example you're working with something close to the ground. I never trust the feature 100%. For some tens of seconds in bright light yeah, but any longer than that and I turn the side pods against the helmet to make sure it's off.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By murtis:
Originally Posted By dag34: Interesting, I will have to test it tonight. Currently with the G24 mount it does not turn off when flipped up. I will try my AKA 2 mount. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/432670/20180531_184123-561368.JPG Just turn it on, and rotate your DTNVG from horizontal to slightly "past vertical". Like this (-- = DTNVG, O = head/helmet, initially looking to right hand side): horizontal O-- , then O/, then vertical O | , and finally stowed O\. And if it doesn't shut off, then continue tilting the helmet / DTNVG more "past vertical". There is no magnetic sensor like in some units, but sensors that try to sense at what orientation the main housing is and when it recognizes going "through the vertical position" and then continue the movement past it -> it thinks it's stowed and shuts off until you bring it close to horizontal again. Or flick the power switch off/on. Edit: Just realized I am explaining this like to a child, please don't take any offence My G24 + DTNVG is right on the edge where it will shut off automatically. If I am looking down when flipping the binos up they won't shut off until I flick my head backward a bit to get them go to that "past vertical" position. After it's happened it does come on by accident if for example you're working with something close to the ground. I never trust the feature 100%. For some tens of seconds in bright light yeah, but any longer than that and I turn the side pods against the helmet to make sure it's off. |
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Posted: 6/1/2018 1:41:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNVC_Augee]
[#40]
I’ve never really found auto-shut off features to be anywhere near reliable or consistent enough for my liking, easier with more peace of mind to just turn on and turn off, no worries about what the hell is going on with them. This is one of the reasons I’m a big fan of ball-detent/ANVIS-style interfaces personally.
On PVS-14s, I usually just go ahead and straight up disable them, with other devices, I just refuse to rely on them. 
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Posted: 6/1/2018 2:09:25 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee:
I’ve never really found auto-shut off features to be anywhere near reliable or consistent enough for my liking, easier with more peace of mind to just turn on and turn off, no worries about what the hell is going on with them. This is one of the reasons I’m a big fan of ball-detent/ANVIS-style interfaces personally. On PVS-14s, I usually just go ahead and straight up disable them, with other devices, I just refuse to rely on them. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/468022/C9C76157-8D17-4EF3-9DCE-236515BB1175-562244.jpg ~Augee
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Posted: 6/1/2018 6:08:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee:
I've never really found auto-shut off features to be anywhere near reliable or consistent enough for my liking, easier with more peace of mind to just turn on and turn off, no worries about what the hell is going on with them. This is one of the reasons I'm a big fan of ball-detent/ANVIS-style interfaces personally. On PVS-14s, I usually just go ahead and straight up disable them, with other devices, I just refuse to rely on them. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/468022/C9C76157-8D17-4EF3-9DCE-236515BB1175-562244.jpg ~Augee I have the G24 set up on the other helmet with the PVS14. Thats my loaner unit |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 5:48:37 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee:
I’ve never really found auto-shut off features to be anywhere near reliable or consistent enough for my liking, easier with more peace of mind to just turn on and turn off, no worries about what the hell is going on with them. This is one of the reasons I’m a big fan of ball-detent/ANVIS-style interfaces personally. On PVS-14s, I usually just go ahead and straight up disable them, with other devices, I just refuse to rely on them. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/468022/C9C76157-8D17-4EF3-9DCE-236515BB1175-562244.jpg ~Augee Nice 31's, btw. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 6:32:04 PM EDT
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It wouldn't be a bad idea to do something alike what Norotos & Harris did first with the ENVG, having contacts for power in the dovetail & mount. I don't know if it cuts power when stowed, but that's not far if you already provide power via the mount.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 8:42:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4DoorEKk]
[#45]
Nightlongindustries tube specs, quality, etc., GTG? In the market for a DTNVG. My first choice was TNVC, of course, but I’m not willing to wait 12 weeks again. NLI told me they always have them in stock. Also, is NLI and Night Vision inc. the same company?
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Posted: 6/2/2018 9:16:06 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4DoorEKk:
Nightlongindustries tube specs, quality, etc., GTG? In the market for a DTNVG. My first choice was TNVC, of course, but I’m not willing to wait 12 weeks again. NLI told me they always have them in stock. Also, is NLI and Night Vision inc. the same company? |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 9:57:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: Nightlong Industries is Ryan Hoover, Night Vision Inc. is Glynn Sziraki. Two different companies. |
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Posted: 6/3/2018 3:27:39 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4DoorEKk:
Thanks for the info. On eBay there’s a couple listings from Pasadena, CA one under nightvisioninc and one under longnightindustries. That’s where my confusion came from. Opinions on both? If you are asking, he would be my recommendation of the two based on my experiences. |
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Posted: 6/3/2018 6:34:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrPlayer: I have done business with Nightlong Ind and wouldn’t hesitate to say he is top notch. If you are asking, he would be my recommendation of the two based on my experiences. |
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Posted: 6/3/2018 6:35:22 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4DoorEKk:
Thanks for the info. On eBay there’s a couple listings from Pasadena, CA one under nightvisioninc and one under longnightindustries. That’s where my confusion came from. Opinions on both? |
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