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Posted: 5/13/2018 1:04:19 PM EDT
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https://www.remington.com/other-products/model-870-tac-14-arm-brace
Not an SBS, it an AOW. It's a firearm. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 4:31:42 PM EDT
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Yes it is. "any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive," other than a handgun with a rifled barrel" The ATF has defined 26" as the limit of "concealability". Which is why the Shockwave is a firearm, not an AOW. Same as an AR pistol with a VFG over 26" is a firearm. An AR pistol under 26" with a VFG is an AOW. A shockwave with a regular pistol grip IS an AOW because it's under 26" OAL. That's why it has the bird's head PG. If you're talking about rifle vs SBR or shotgun vs SBS, then yes, 26" is where the line is drawn for OAL. And that's because 26" is the generally accepted max length for concealability. However, there are firearms that are >26" OAL and yet still considered AOWs. Cane guns are the most obvious example. So...the blanket statement of "Over 26" OAL isn't an AOW, regardless of barrel length" is not true. 
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Posted: 5/13/2018 5:06:27 PM EDT
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No, it's not true. If you're talking about rifle vs SBR or shotgun vs SBS, then yes, 26" is where the line is drawn for OAL. And that's because 26" is the generally accepted max length for concealability. However, there are firearms that are >26" OAL and yet still considered AOWs. Cane guns are the most obvious example. So...the blanket statement of "Over 26" OAL isn't an AOW, regardless of barrel length" is not true. If I understand, the the definition of the word "concealed" as it applies to a cane gun or an umbrella gun, means that it does not look like a "gun" and therefore the fact that it is a gun is "concealed." I believe that ATF uses the term "disguised device" in the NFA Handbook although I am not sure it appears in the CFR or USC. I'm sure you know that, but I was just throwing it out there for other who my want to discuss it. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 5:28:27 PM EDT
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No, it's not true. If you're talking about rifle vs SBR or shotgun vs SBS, then yes, 26" is where the line is drawn for OAL. And that's because 26" is the generally accepted max length for concealability. However, there are firearms that are >26" OAL and yet still considered AOWs. Cane guns are the most obvious example. So...the blanket statement of "Over 26" OAL isn't an AOW, regardless of barrel length" is not true. In the context of the dis ussion in this thread that is accurate, Especially in context of my reply vis-a-vis barrel length. |
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