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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2018 12:29:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Curious...for those that seem to be stuck in the BGC black hole, did you put your SSN on the FP cards? |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2018 12:31:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 00sdime00]
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Edit: Double post misfire
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2018 2:00:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BigWaylon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
I may have asked that question earlier in the thread, but didn't go back to look. Reason I posted it is I was reading a discussion yesterday that said the ATF/FBI doesn't even run your prints. That's why the quality of the prints doesn't seem to matter. They simply input the info on the cards and run a NICS check...so the SSN being present should prevent most of the delays. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By swampvol: I honestly don't remember, but PSA helped fill out the forms so I'm betting I did as they tend to be very precise when dealing with the atf. Check cashed exactly one year ago tomorrow. Been in BGC since late January/early February. Reason I posted it is I was reading a discussion yesterday that said the ATF/FBI doesn't even run your prints. That's why the quality of the prints doesn't seem to matter. They simply input the info on the cards and run a NICS check...so the SSN being present should prevent most of the delays. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2018 5:24:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wildbill990:
You know what, after just having two form 4's approved in 35 days, it crossed my mind for a moment about this. I've done the NFA process before so I'm "in the system". I've wondered if they even ran my prints with the FBI. To be approved in just over a month had me thinking this and what if they don't even run prints. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wildbill990:
Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By swampvol: I honestly don't remember, but PSA helped fill out the forms so I'm betting I did as they tend to be very precise when dealing with the atf. Check cashed exactly one year ago tomorrow. Been in BGC since late January/early February. Reason I posted it is I was reading a discussion yesterday that said the ATF/FBI doesn't even run your prints. That's why the quality of the prints doesn't seem to matter. They simply input the info on the cards and run a NICS check...so the SSN being present should prevent most of the delays. Just call and speak with an examiner and they will tell you it. |
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Posted: 8/22/2018 8:50:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Curious...for those that seem to be stuck in the BGC black hole, did you put your SSN on the FP cards? |
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Posted: 8/24/2018 10:56:10 AM EDT
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called about my SS F1 Trust submission today and the lady said pending still.
Something odd I did notice is that on my SS account the payment cleared on the 5/28 but according to them It did not clear until 5/30? 
Either way I will give it another week and call again. Should be getting really close. I projected 2 months ago that Aug 22 would be my approval date. Kinda missed it but from looking at the tracker and what you guys have been posting on the various tracking forms I should be close. |
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Posted: 8/24/2018 2:47:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors:
called about my SS F1 Trust submission today and the lady said pending still. Something odd I did notice is that on my SS account the payment cleared on the 5/28 but according to them It did not clear until 5/30?
Either way I will give it another week and call again. Should be getting really close. I projected 2 months ago that Aug 22 would be my approval date. Kinda missed it but from looking at the tracker and what you guys have been posting on the various tracking forms I should be close. |
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Posted: 8/24/2018 2:53:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grn_zx6r: I just called on a SS Form 1 with a check cashed date of 4/27/18, I was told it's waiting on BG check. |
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Posted: 8/24/2018 9:08:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2018 9:29:22 PM EDT
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So they complained about how my brother was listed on my trust saying he had to produce fingerprints despite approving 10 stamps post 41f without saying a word. I haven't had a chance to have a lawyer relook at my trust but a lawyer drafted it and another looked at it when he was cleaning up one for another client. He's listed as a successor on it.
While going back and forth with the examiner I asked if I just did a new form 4 as an individual and sent it to them if they would just process it that way and I'd send out the new forums that day. They let me change it. My brother is in training and it would have taken a week or so to get prints and photos from him. Honestly everything since then was submitted as an individual as they have been going faster so I didn't care. So yes that form 4 really did only take that long, just because they let me replace a different one that was already on the examiner's desk vs waiting a week or two to fix the old ones to my trust. Which is why I did the  smile.
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Posted: 8/30/2018 11:22:46 AM EDT
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 Attached FileDoes everyone here use the NFA tracker site? I have seen submissions on F1 come back from around the same time as mine but they are not show on the tracker. Wonder if the tracker updates daily or weekly ? |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 8:36:16 PM EDT
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From PAFAO, 2018 NFA Paperwork Timeline
Wildbill990
NFA Item(s): Two Sig Suppressors Transferee Type: Individual Form 4 Method: Paper Form Mailed: 6/30/18 Pending: 7/10/18 Approved: 8/15/18 Received 8/23/18 
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Posted: 9/4/2018 3:40:46 PM EDT
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sitting at day 262 for 2 suppressors, 2 more are at day 212, all are Form 4 - individual
Called again last week, told they are all still pending background check. In the process of drafting up a cordial letter to my congresscritter |
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Posted: 9/4/2018 3:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RLunyATL:
sitting at day 262 for 2 suppressors, 2 more are at day 212, all are Form 4 - individual Called again last week, told they are all still pending background check. In the process of drafting up a cordial letter to my congresscritter The last F4 before that was 271 days approval in march. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2018 7:27:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors:
You should be close I had a F4 approval last month that was 230 days from F4 submit to approval. Not sure I would send a letter yet. I know the wait sucks but its just the way it currently is on F4s. The last F4 before that was 271 days approval in march. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors:
Originally Posted By RLunyATL:
sitting at day 262 for 2 suppressors, 2 more are at day 212, all are Form 4 - individual Called again last week, told they are all still pending background check. In the process of drafting up a cordial letter to my congresscritter The last F4 before that was 271 days approval in march. |
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Posted: 9/4/2018 9:09:56 PM EDT
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I'm at 280 days on my suppressor F4 and 230 days for an F1 - both still awaiting background. I last called August 22nd and probably will call again this week.
I've actually been working on a letter to my Rep. this afternoon as well. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2018 11:38:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith:
From PAFAO, 2018 NFA Paperwork Timeline
Wildbill990
NFA Item(s): Two Sig Suppressors Transferee Type: Individual Form 4 Method: Paper Form Mailed: 6/30/18 Pending: 7/10/18 Approved: 8/15/18 Received 8/23/18 
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Posted: 9/5/2018 10:59:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GiggleSmith]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wildbill990:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wildbill990:
Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:
From PAFAO, 2018 NFA Paperwork Timeline
Wildbill990
NFA Item(s): Two Sig Suppressors Transferee Type: Individual Form 4 Method: Paper Form Mailed: 6/30/18 Pending: 7/10/18 Approved: 8/15/18 Received 8/23/18
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/5/2018 4:09:45 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith:
You'se GOT to tell us how you managed it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith:
Originally Posted By Wildbill990:
Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:
From PAFAO, 2018 NFA Paperwork Timeline
Wildbill990
NFA Item(s): Two Sig Suppressors Transferee Type: Individual Form 4 Method: Paper Form Mailed: 6/30/18 Pending: 7/10/18 Approved: 8/15/18 Received 8/23/18 |
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Posted: 9/5/2018 5:09:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bestiller]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wildbill990:
Was just luck. I had one of the new examiners and she said a box was taken out of order so there were prob several dozens or a few hundreds that got approved quickly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wildbill990:
Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:
Originally Posted By Wildbill990:
Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:
From PAFAO, 2018 NFA Paperwork Timeline
Wildbill990
NFA Item(s): Two Sig Suppressors Transferee Type: Individual Form 4 Method: Paper Form Mailed: 6/30/18 Pending: 7/10/18 Approved: 8/15/18 Received 8/23/18  ...Congrats on the quick T/A
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/5/2018 5:17:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bestiller:
I don’t doubt this, it’s just to me this doesn’t make sense, supposedly the extra long waits at the moment are due to a bottle neck/back log with FBI back ground checks taking forever to come back, or so we’re told. In this scenario, it would mean that a wrong stack got mistakenly taken out of order and miraculously got FBI background checks back in a matter of days versus months for applications before and after it. Just another NFA WTF head scratcher. ...Congrats on the quick T/AQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By bestiller:
Originally Posted By Wildbill990:
Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:
Originally Posted By Wildbill990:
Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:
From PAFAO, 2018 NFA Paperwork Timeline
Wildbill990
NFA Item(s): Two Sig Suppressors Transferee Type: Individual Form 4 Method: Paper Form Mailed: 6/30/18 Pending: 7/10/18 Approved: 8/15/18 Received 8/23/18 ...Congrats on the quick T/AIf that’s the case, why do they need the FBI for? I’m guessing a NICS check is all that’s really done once approved in the past. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 12:15:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: swampfoxoutdoors]
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Well looks like F1 Trust are going back up. They hit 74 as a low on the tracker and back up over a hundred now. Called on mine today and its now at 107 days.
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Posted: 9/23/2018 6:14:51 PM EDT
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I've been checking all over the place.
It looks like Waiting Times for Form 4's has crept passed 200 days again. 
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Posted: 9/23/2018 6:21:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith:
I've been checking all over the place. It looks like Waiting Times for Form 4's has crept passed 200 days again. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2018 4:01:31 PM EDT
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Two F1s with a checked cashed date of 12-17-17 and neither one of them yet. When I called...BG check. :(
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2018 6:54:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By number40Fan:
Two F1s with a checked cashed date of 12-17-17 and neither one of them yet. When I called...BG check. :( FBI is sitting on these NICS checks beyond the allowable time frame. Many of us have an an approval in a week or two after contacting our congressman. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 12:53:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fettesbrotde:
Call / contact your congressman. FBI is sitting on these NICS checks beyond the allowable time frame. Many of us have an an approval in a week or two after contacting our congressman. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fettesbrotde:
Originally Posted By number40Fan:
Two F1s with a checked cashed date of 12-17-17 and neither one of them yet. When I called...BG check. :( FBI is sitting on these NICS checks beyond the allowable time frame. Many of us have an an approval in a week or two after contacting our congressman. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2018 4:21:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fettesbrotde]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChandlerKJ:
What is the allowable time frame and where is that referenced as law/policy? Just asking so I can reference it. Thanks! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChandlerKJ:
Originally Posted By fettesbrotde:
Originally Posted By number40Fan:
Two F1s with a checked cashed date of 12-17-17 and neither one of them yet. When I called...BG check. :( FBI is sitting on these NICS checks beyond the allowable time frame. Many of us have an an approval in a week or two after contacting our congressman. ETA: In my case, the FBI had exceeded that time frame. I was in background check pending for 101 days, and likely would have been longer had I not contacted my congressman |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 5:04:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By number40Fan:
Two F1s with a checked cashed date of 12-17-17 and neither one of them yet. When I called...BG check. :( ...anyone else from last year care to chime in? |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 3:32:20 PM EDT
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Anyone else wondering what the heck is going on with F1 submissions?
We were down to 78 days and its now going back up over 100 again. I am currently sitting at 124 days and counting. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 9:48:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors:
Anyone else wondering what the heck is going on with F1 submissions? We were down to 78 days and its now going back up over 100 again. I am currently sitting at 124 days and counting. The last few on the chart were from back in AUGUST! |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 11:15:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRoark: I'm wondering that too. Did ATF stop processing Individual form 1s or did people just stop updating NFA tracker? The last few on the chart were from back in AUGUST! I ran the numbers on my F1 a while back. When I first submitted it the current times then said lat Oct. But as the date decreased it was going to be late Aug. Blew thru the Aug dates. I have called every Friday to check and still get pending. No Pending BGC just pending. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/2/2018 11:37:40 AM EDT
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Something fucky is going on with this whole process. I'm starting to wonder if its intentional.
As people have mentioned, Form 1 times are shooting up. Typically that means they're working Form 4s. I've seen this swapping back and forth before, but it doesn't appear to be taking place this time. Also, my examiner "left" last week, and I've never heard that before. Who knows if there's more. Could have been a funding / fiscal year thing, but I could have sworn they just got funding for more examiners. Hopefully that doesn't add more time. Combine that with the fact that there seems to be issues with the BGC, and the FBI has some alternate not-per-the-law NICS process they're using, and we've got all these excessive delays. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 1:38:28 PM EDT
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ATF got enough funds to hire 25 new examiners, yet wait times continue to be 190-250 days.
Time to contact your representatives and find out why they were given the money and produced no results. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 7:26:05 PM EDT
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 244 Days
Originally Posted By AZNemesis50:
Christmas in October. 
Form 4, Trust 3 RP's Silencer Shop Rugged Obsidian 9 Forms sent 1-31-18 Checks cashed 2-18-18 Approved 9-24-18 Stamp at dealer 10-2-18 Picked up 10-2-18 |
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Posted: 10/5/2018 6:48:04 PM EDT
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I took my own advice and emailed my rep. When I got home today I had a message from his staff that they wanted to speak to me about the issue. Will call them Tuesday as I believe they will be off Monday.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2018 5:15:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: number40Fan]
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Anyone have a dumbed down email/statement that we could all use?
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Posted: 10/9/2018 3:00:25 PM EDT
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As a follow up I spoke to my congressman’s staffer. Asked them to look at the increase in the ATF budget for NFA approvals but still not hitting their 90 day target. Also asked them to look at the requirement for 2 sets of prints for every submission and finally why the FBI checks when done take so long.
My email also asked about eforms which majicallly came online after my email but before I followed up with the staffer so I am going to take that as ATF got wind of my letter and wanted to show some progress 
I know it’s unlikely to bring about any change but at least I made my case |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2018 7:44:30 PM EDT
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Received 1 out of 2 stamps back today.
Cashed 12-17-17, approved 10-2-18. |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 10:07:01 PM EDT
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Submitted two Form 4’s on 2/1 in the same package. The SBR came back three weeks ago. The silencer is still MIA.
Submitted two Form 1s 3/22 and 4/11. The 4/11 has been back for two months. 4/11 is MIA. Several other Form 4s are rattling around in WV. This process is dumb. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:31:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By number40Fan:
Two F1s with a checked cashed date of 12-17-17 and neither one of them yet. When I called...BG check. :( |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 10:26:03 PM EDT
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I have seen more guys in here posting that stamps are being approved. I think the examiners that we’re knocking out the F1 forms was split into. Some went to take on old F4 and the others doing EFile.
Just a guess. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2018 8:14:52 PM EDT
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Well, hell. I guess if you get online and complain, shit happens. Ok, AR15.com probably wasn't the best place to complain, but I now have my second stamp in hand! :D
Time to break out the engraver and go pew-pew with my 10.5" barrel. |
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Posted: 10/21/2018 1:36:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GiggleSmith]
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I think I found my next Can: A SiG rimfire.
Money situation say not until After the Mid Terms. 
My Estimated Wait Time Calculator says I'm gong to have to wait until Summer for APPROVAL.
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Posted: 10/30/2018 3:13:56 PM EDT
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235 days and counting on 2 stamps F4 Individual.
First and quite possibly my last NFA purchases unless something changes. I know it's been said before and there a (supposedly) been a bit of progress made, but if the industry wants to see their bottom lines recover they better figure out a way to get the wait times down.
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Posted: 10/30/2018 3:28:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshInReno:
235 days and counting on 2 stamps F4 Individual. First and quite possibly my last NFA purchases unless something changes. I know it's been said before and there a (supposedly) been a bit of progress made, but if the industry wants to see their bottom lines recover they better figure out a way to get the wait times down. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2018 11:43:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshInReno:
235 days and counting on 2 stamps F4 Individual. First and quite possibly my last NFA purchases unless something changes. I know it's been said before and there a (supposedly) been a bit of progress made, but if the industry wants to see their bottom lines recover they better figure out a way to get the wait times down. it’s the only effective treatment
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Posted: 10/31/2018 7:56:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshInReno:
First and quite possibly my last NFA purchases unless something changes. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 1:46:39 PM EDT
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I finally broke down and called today. Both checks cashed 12 April 18 and....pending.
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Posted: 10/31/2018 2:28:22 PM EDT
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I'm waiting for my stamp. Last time I called I was told it was approved on 10/19. Checked with my dealer late last week and was told they hadn't received it. I'm wondering how long it'll take for it to be sent/received. The wait for approval was bad, but knowing it's approved and waiting on the stamp itself seems worse to me.
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