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Posted: 8/3/2017 10:56:20 AM EDT
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Shoulda got a can 6 months ago.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 10:59:34 AM EDT
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Thank the nevertrumpers and the GOPe.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:07:17 AM EDT
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Republicans don't care about your freedoms. Electing Trump didn't change that.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:07:22 AM EDT
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Bigger fish to fry at the moment.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:10:17 AM EDT
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I thought it got bundled with removal of sporting purposes into a bill that's currently in committee that has to approve it for it to reach the house floor?
Unless I'm mistaken, that is in fact progress. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:12:31 AM EDT
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I would say do it now. If it does pass I'm expecting every suppressor to be $1500 .
Call it a hunch. But the nfa dance is the only thing keeping more people from buying them. If there is an explosion in demand. You can count on that price going up. Quickly |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:15:18 AM EDT
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The only way it passes is if it is rolled into an Omnibus or some random CR. That's how anything gets done in Washington these days.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:40:43 AM EDT
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Bigger fish to fry at the moment. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:58:31 AM EDT
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I thought it got bundled with removal of sporting purposes into a bill that's currently in committee that has to approve it for it to reach the house floor? Unless I'm mistaken, that is in fact progress. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 12:02:13 PM EDT
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I would say do it now. If it does pass I'm expecting every suppressor to be $1500 . Call it a hunch. But the nfa dance is the only thing keeping more people from buying them. If there is an explosion in demand. You can count on that price going up. Quickly |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 2:04:22 PM EDT
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Republicans don't care about your freedoms. Electing Trump didn't change that. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 2:16:47 PM EDT
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Sure, prices would increase in the very short term, but with the removal of regulations, small shops would pop up in weeks selling aluminum cans for $100, SS cans for $200, and inconel for $300. Everyone who already turns out firearm parts will roll out their own versions, ranging in price and quality. In short, without regulatory hurdles, the market will adjust rapidly.
But the HPA isn't going anywhere. Nobody gives two shits about it. There NRA and Trump got what they wanted from you, don't expect them to push for anything you want. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 2:55:33 PM EDT
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I don't think HPA will ever pass. I would love for it to, but I'm not making any decisions based upon its possibility whatsoever. As people always say, every extra day you wait to file your form is an extra day you wait to get your stamp. (Yes, wait times fluctuate, so not necessarily a one for one tradeoff, but you get the gist.)
My view, you want something, buy it. If cans come off the registry, YAY! We'll celebrate together. If that means that you spent $200 more right now that you would not have had to spend in the future, them's the breaks (and that assumes that the HPA that passes does not include the refunds; if it does all the better). Anyway, if $200 will make or break you, I'd advise not going down the NFA rabbit hole at all. NFAids is catchin' and it's spendy. If cans don't come off the registry, you'll be happy you didn't wait any longer to file. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 3:30:09 PM EDT
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It'll never pass. It has become clear as crystal that Congress doesn't give a flying frack about you, me, or anyone except themselves.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 5:22:23 PM EDT
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I would say do it now. If it does pass I'm expecting every suppressor to be $1500 . Call it a hunch. But the nfa dance is the only thing keeping more people from buying them. If there is an explosion in demand. You can count on that price going up. Quickly |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 7:21:17 PM EDT
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Sure, prices would increase in the very short term, but with the removal of regulations, small shops would pop up in weeks selling aluminum cans for $100, SS cans for $200, and inconel for $300. Everyone who already turns out firearm parts will roll out their own versions, ranging in price and quality. In short, without regulatory hurdles, the market will adjust rapidly. But the HPA isn't going anywhere. Nobody gives two shits about it. There NRA and Trump got what they wanted from you, don't expect them to push for anything you want. BTW, there are already several manufacturers turning out $99 cans. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 7:43:04 PM EDT
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Oh there's plenty of fish that need frying, but republicans are just kind of staring at the oil with their hands in their pockets. Republicans have it all but aren't doing anything with it. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 7:30:09 PM EDT
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lol...
well I mean, get trump in office and get HPA and pro 2 a momentum... right? LMFAO. 
The GOP don't care about your 2a, it's a wedge issue for them. Trump is anti-2a, he said so in his book in writing. He only claimed to love the NRA when he hit the campaign trail. You can't seriously believe this garbage... |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 7:42:24 PM EDT
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What ever happened to the Don Jr. Pro-2A committee?
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Posted: 8/4/2017 7:50:43 PM EDT
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What ever happened to the Don Jr. Pro-2A committee? Short Term memory amongst the 2A crowd. All hopped up on gun powder and OD'd on CLP. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 8:53:27 PM EDT
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The shush act was recently introduced.
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Posted: 8/5/2017 10:07:15 AM EDT
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Has nothing to do with political party, it is just of zero significance for anyone to put any time or energy into (politically). Its 100x less important than even the last thing on their list.
Ya I get it "ohhhh ya its my freedom! USA USA give us our guns!" blah blah blah... but there are a million other things to say that about, it isn't going to make them say "you're right! Lets do this!" And regardless of political party, both sides do not pass things just because... the "HPA" literally does nothing for them, and the people it does something for is a TINY group of people. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 1:36:10 PM EDT
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the "HPA" literally does nothing for them, and the people it does something for is a TINY group of people. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 5:37:11 PM EDT
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At this point, I don't care and I'm not waiting around for it to pass. I'm just going to pay my $200 and wait for a year and not worry about what brand of doing nothing the do nothings in Congress are up to.
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Posted: 8/6/2017 10:48:53 AM EDT
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Uh.........regulations has jack squat to do with the price of silencers. BTW, there are already several manufacturers turning out $99 cans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sure, prices would increase in the very short term, but with the removal of regulations, small shops would pop up in weeks selling aluminum cans for $100, SS cans for $200, and inconel for $300. Everyone who already turns out firearm parts will roll out their own versions, ranging in price and quality. In short, without regulatory hurdles, the market will adjust rapidly. But the HPA isn't going anywhere. Nobody gives two shits about it. There NRA and Trump got what they wanted from you, don't expect them to push for anything you want. BTW, there are already several manufacturers turning out $99 cans. Regulations increase the cost of dealing in NFA items, but more importantly, the hassle of compliance ensures that fewer companies are willing to produce silencers. Competition always lowers prices. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 10:53:21 AM EDT
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I don't think HPA will ever pass. I would love for it to, but I'm not making any decisions based upon its possibility whatsoever. As people always say, every extra day you wait to file your form is an extra day you wait to get your stamp. (Yes, wait times fluctuate, so not necessarily a one for one tradeoff, but you get the gist.) My view, you want something, buy it. If cans come off the registry, YAY! We'll celebrate together. If that means that you spent $200 more right now that you would not have had to spend in the future, them's the breaks (and that assumes that the HPA that passes does not include the refunds; if it does all the better). Anyway, if $200 will make or break you, I'd advise not going down the NFA rabbit hole at all. NFAids is catchin' and it's spendy. If cans don't come off the registry, you'll be happy you didn't wait any longer to file. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 11:30:12 AM EDT
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Republicans don't care about your freedoms. Electing Trump didn't change that. They all need removal. Starting with Ryan. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 11:32:14 AM EDT
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Sorry for the FNG mistake....I meant to quote this guy....if the HPA ever passes, suppressor prices are going to skyrocket with the increased demand because, to my admittedly limited knowledge, none of the suppressor companies are increasing their inventory expenses on the chance it will pass at some random point in the future. I will be able to buy parts and make my own "firearm" the week after it goes into effect with.. Chinese parts, off eBay or Amazon. None of those suppressor idiot companies are going to make shit from the law change. There will be a run on suppressor host barrels, on the other hand. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 7:36:59 PM EDT
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Uhh, when you start a sentence that way, one can be well assured that you're about to say something without substance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sure, prices would increase in the very short term, but with the removal of regulations, small shops would pop up in weeks selling aluminum cans for $100, SS cans for $200, and inconel for $300. Everyone who already turns out firearm parts will roll out their own versions, ranging in price and quality. In short, without regulatory hurdles, the market will adjust rapidly. But the HPA isn't going anywhere. Nobody gives two shits about it. There NRA and Trump got what they wanted from you, don't expect them to push for anything you want. BTW, there are already several manufacturers turning out $99 cans. Regulations increase the cost of dealing in NFA items, I'm an FFL/SOT................so enlighten me on how ATF regulations increase my costs. I'll save you the embarrassment....they don't. The same recordkeeping applies to Title II (NFA) as it does to Title I (nonNFA). Namely maintaining a "bound book". That requirement is the same for a kitchen table dealer doing two transfers a week as it is for Silencer Shop, Gemtech or Silencerco. The cost to acquire and maintain an 07FFL/SOT/ITAR for a manufacturer is less than $3000 a year. And that isn't "regulation", it's normal business fees. And for a 01FFL/SOT dealer it's a whopping $500!!!!!! If a potential silencer manufacturer bails on the idea because of $3K, he isn't much of a businessman is he? 
but more importantly, the hassle of compliance ensures that fewer companies are willing to produce silencers. Competition always lowers prices This should be good. It's always entertaining when someone who doesn't know jack shit about a subject tries to tell those in the business how to do it better. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 8:06:46 AM EDT
[#30]
HPA, SHUSH or whatever they call it this week isn't going to pass. Just buy one now.
For the record, I hope I am wrong. Way wrong. But I just don't see it passing. In the grand scheme of things the number of supporters involved, while having grown significantly recently, is still very small. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 9:56:52 PM EDT
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I would say there isn't a chance of it passing in his first term, might have some luck with his second term as he has nothing to loose.
Then again he may only be a one term president, he's pretty old and feel like he might do 4 years and call throw in the towel. Either way if you want a suppressor buy it now, pay the tax and get in line. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 10:07:31 PM EDT
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When people get off their butts and hound their congressmen and senators, yes. Until then, no.
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Posted: 8/8/2017 10:25:43 PM EDT
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I love seeing bumped old threads from a year+ ago and reading someone saying "when hpa passes ill throw a silencer on it"
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Posted: 8/9/2017 12:41:17 AM EDT
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This says it all. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:38:26 PM EDT
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I love seeing bumped old threads from a year+ ago and reading someone saying "when hpa passes ill throw a silencer on it"
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:52:17 PM EDT
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This thread was started a week ago. When the first HPA threads started coming out people made it out to be a 95% sure thing that it would pass, screwing all the new guys into thinking they would just wait. Every once in a while an original post gets bumped on other forums and the hope was enthusiastic, but really sent newcomers in the wrong direction. Even the silencer companies had to change their tune cause people were holding off.. I remember people posting correspondence with the shops basically telling them "this is an extreme longshot" just a month after making it sound like (to someone with a very optimistic outlook) this was a sure thing, but I get it they had to get people on board somehow |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:16:10 PM EDT
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Republicans don't care about your freedoms. Electing Trump didn't change that. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:04:00 AM EDT
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Uh.........regulations has jack squat to do with the price of silencers. BTW, there are already several manufacturers turning out $99 cans. The $200 transfer tax plus 10-?? month wait waiting for the F1/F4 approval has everything to do with the price of silencers. Today's buyer isn't going to want a cheap crappy disposable $25 can that lasts half a year because he'll have $225 (plus cost/hassle for prints and photos), transfer fee up to $100, and a year long wait invested in it before putting the first round through it. That buyer wants a quality product, which translates into a higher price. Take away the $200 tax, the wait time, photos, fingerprints, transfer fee, etc. and you'll find parts lists from Home Depot or Lowes along with an instructional video on Youtube showing how to DIY a silencer in your garage for almost nothing in parts. The buyer won't care if the thing blows up or fails because he has almost nothing invested in it. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:10:53 AM EDT
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The $200 transfer tax plus 10-?? month wait waiting for the F1/F4 approval has everything to do with the price of silencers. Today's buyer isn't going to want a cheap crappy disposable $25 can that lasts half a year because he'll have $225 (plus cost/hassle for prints and photos), transfer fee up to $100, and a year long wait invested in it before putting the first round through it. That buyer wants a quality product, which translates into a higher price. Take away the $200 tax, the wait time, photos, fingerprints, transfer fee, etc. and you'll find parts lists from Home Depot or Lowes along with an instructional video on Youtube showing how to DIY a silencer in your garage for almost nothing in parts. The buyer won't care if the thing blows up or fails because he has almost nothing invested in it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uh.........regulations has jack squat to do with the price of silencers. BTW, there are already several manufacturers turning out $99 cans. Take away the $200 tax, the wait time, photos, fingerprints, transfer fee, etc. and you'll find parts lists from Home Depot or Lowes along with an instructional video on Youtube showing how to DIY a silencer in your garage for almost nothing in parts. The buyer won't care if the thing blows up or fails because he has almost nothing invested in it. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 10:59:09 AM EDT
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Cans would be cheap in time.
Dont believe me? Look at historical data on AR15 rifles. At one point you couldnt get one cheaper thsn 800 (remember the 80s and 90s), today you can buy on in the 300s if you look. Look at AR lowers. You can get them todays in the 20s if you shop [for an aluminum one], in the past they were a lot higher |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 11:14:49 AM EDT
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But the HPA isn't going anywhere. Nobody gives two shits about it. There NRA and Trump got what they wanted from you, don't expect them to push for anything you want. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 11:50:48 AM EDT
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This. You fell for it if you think otherwise. And you'll fall for it again. Time and again. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:46:13 PM EDT
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I'm not sure anyone "fell" for anything, the NRA and Trump didn't campaign on getting silencers legalized for the 0.0001% of the population. People research every HPA article ever written on the web and run across a few NRA blog links to HPA and all the sudden think the NRA is giving their left nuts to get it passed. If you weren't searching for it you wouldn't see anything about the HPA, it is/was a an extreme niche subject. Suppressors, full auto weapons, bazooka, phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range - not going to happen. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:52:24 PM EDT
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Let me expand on "fell for it": If you voted for Trump because you thought he and the Rs would liberalize gun laws to the point of fulfilling your hopes and dreams, then you fell for it. NRA doesn't care about HPA and neither does Trump. Too niche as you say. Suppressors, full auto weapons, bazooka, phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range - not going to happen. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:53:45 PM EDT
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Let me expand on "fell for it": If you voted for Trump because you thought he and the Rs would liberalize gun laws to the point of fulfilling your hopes and dreams, then you fell for it. NRA doesn't care about HPA and neither does Trump. Too niche as you say. Suppressors, full auto weapons, bazooka, phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range - not going to happen. I get the optimism, when people like me say things that sound counterproductive to the "movement" its not because we dont want it to happen, I have multiple cans and would love to walk into a store and walk out with the newest and greatest, its for when I see people post that they're waiting for HPA to pass to buy a $300 can, just buy it already you're just wasting time |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 3:15:23 PM EDT
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I think it will pass any day now and you guys should continue to hold off on submitting your forms.
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Posted: 8/10/2017 6:35:42 PM EDT
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Yup. Call it whatever you want but when you remove the hurdles I guarantee there will be a glut of cheap cans everywhere as well as exponential growth in the homebrew market. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uh.........regulations has jack squat to do with the price of silencers. BTW, there are already several manufacturers turning out $99 cans. Take away the $200 tax, the wait time, photos, fingerprints, transfer fee, etc. and you'll find parts lists from Home Depot or Lowes along with an instructional video on Youtube showing how to DIY a silencer in your garage for almost nothing in parts. The buyer won't care if the thing blows up or fails because he has almost nothing invested in it.
Everyone ALREADY KNOWS how the HPA will affect buyers. Here's what he wrote: bluefalcon wrote:.....Regulations increase the cost of dealing in NFA items, but more importantly, the hassle of compliance ensures that fewer companies are willing to produce silencers. Competition always lowers prices. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:47:23 PM EDT
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If y'all go back and reread the thread, you'll see that I was replying to his post about regulations affecting MANUFACTURERS AND DEALERS.......not buyers.
Everyone ALREADY KNOWS how the HPA will affect buyers. Here's what he wrote: You don't think with increased downward sales pressure from home brew DIY, that manufacters will reduce their price as well to stay more competitive?
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:05:57 PM EDT
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You don't think with increased downward sales pressure from home brew DIY, that manufacters will reduce their price as well to stay more competitive?Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If y'all go back and reread the thread, you'll see that I was replying to his post about regulations affecting MANUFACTURERS AND DEALERS.......not buyers.
Everyone ALREADY KNOWS how the HPA will affect buyers. Here's what he wrote: You don't think with increased downward sales pressure from home brew DIY, that manufacters will reduce their price as well to stay more competitive?But that wasn't the argument. Bluefalcon believes the "high cost of regulation" prevents new manufacturers and dealers from the NFA market. It doesn't because the cost to engage in manufacturing or dealing in NFA is merely pay $500-$1000 SOT and $2,250 ITAR for an 07FFL (manufacturer) and a paltry $500 SOT for an 01FFL (dealer). Recordkeeping is the same for Title I as it is for Title II. If $3,000 discourages a manufacturer from entering the NFA business then they aren't really wanting to do it in the first place. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:14:50 PM EDT
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Sure.....for low end models. But that wasn't the argument. Bluefalcon believes the "high cost of regulation" prevents new manufacturers and dealers from the NFA market. It doesn't because the cost to engage in manufacturing or dealing in NFA is merely pay $500-$1000 SOT and $2,250 ITAR for an 07FFL (manufacturer) and a paltry $500 SOT for an 01FFL (dealer). Recordkeeping is the same for Title I as it is for Title II. If $3,000 discourages a manufacturer from entering the NFA business then they aren't really wanting to do it in the first place. ETA: not just low end models look at Larues offerings lately they too have been effected by downward consumer pressure. |
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