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Question.... Who's responsible for mailing in the CLEO notification?  My SOT said he mails them in.

Thanks

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Yes in this case it was Form 4.  Just wondering what the ramifications would be if he did not mail it in.

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How to fill out an FD-258LE Fingerprint Card

I’ve never actually had to submit prints, so this info was gathered from several sources. One was an FBI document titled Guidelines for Preparation of Fingerprint Cards.  Another was a member here that has successfully submitted prints he rolled 30+ times without a rejection.

It was listed in an earlier post, but you can order the cards for free here.  You’ll need to fill out your info, then check the box for Fingerprint Cards. Once you check the box, enter your quantity and select FBI FD-258LE NFA, Imports ORI WVATF0800. Don’t click ‘Add an item’, just click Preview and then Submit.

Use quality ink. Sirchie ink pads are some of the most highly recommended.  You can also order a card holder to make things go easier.

ETA 9/27/17: some good info from ARFCOM member bbies1973:

I can offer a couple tips to get you started, and maybe reduce the amount of practice needed. This is all based on human biology/physiology:

1. Ever notice that you can't extend your ring finger without either the middle or pinky coming with it? The reason is that you only have 3 muscles to extend 4 fingers. The ring finger shares a portion of each of the two muscles that otherwise operate those two fingers next to it. This is why it really does help to have someone else doing your prints, and why you're always being told to relax your hand and not try to help.

2. Make sure the person being printed is standing full arms length away from the card. The forearm doesn't rotate well enough. So, with the elbow straight, shoulder rotation helps to get a clean roll from one side to the other without slipping or twisting.

3. Just like "righty tighty, lefty loosey" for nuts and bolts - remember "Fingers from, Thumbs toward". Even though the shoulder has more rotation than the forearm, it still has it's limits. Rolling towards the end of the shoulder's range of mobility can trigger a muscle reflex to stop the movement, which can cause the print to slip. Rolling away from the edge of our range of motion reduces the chance of a slip. When rolling the prints, start from the outside edge of the thumb (near the rearward limit of the shoulder rotation) and roll it inward - and the inside edge of the fingers (turning the shoulder towards it's forward limit) rolling them outward.

I’m going to do a quick version using an example I filled out, followed by a more detailed version from the FBI, which also has a better pic of the card. (I’m writing with red ink just to make it easier to see…but you’ll need to use black or blue)

http://i.imgur.com/VsMeaJ1.jpg

1. leave blank
2. sign
3. enter your address
4. enter date printed
5. sign
6. enter “Self” and your address again
7. enter reason; some examples from those with approved cards are “NFA”, “NFA Transfer” (for F4), “NFA Application” (for F1), “Form 1”, and “Form 4”
8. enter Last Name, First Name and Middle Name
9. enter aliases or leave blank
10. enter your Citizenship (U.S. is proper format based on FBI guide)
11. leave blank
12. leave blank
13. leave blank
14. enter your SSN, (optional)
15. leave blank
16. should have the NFA ORI stamped
17. leave blank
18. enter your date of birth, in MM DD YYYY format
19. enter your sex (M/F...or see list in FBI guide below)
20. enter your race (see list in FBI guide below if needed)
21. enter height in feet and inches (format info in FBI guide below)
22. enter weight in pounds
23. enter eye color (see list in FBI guide below)
24. enter hair color (see list in FBI guide below)
25. enter place of birth (state, territory, province or country)
26. leave blank
27. provide prints…roll the individual prints in rows 1-2 and press the ones in the 3rd row, as seen below

http://i.imgur.com/twkmoJq.jpg

the detailed Instructions below are straight from the FBI guide linked above

http://i.imgur.com/wkMG6ws.jpg

Data fields preceded by an asterisk (*) must be completed in order for a fingerprint card to be processed by the FBI. However, all data fields are important and should be completed if the information is known. Also, the
National Crime Information Center (NCIC) Code Manual can be used as a reference for codes of various fields.

1. *Name (NAM) Block
Enter the name obtained from the subject in this field. Abbreviations are not to be used for any part of the name. This format is last name followed by a comma (,) first and middle name, if any. Suffixes denoting seniority (i.e. Jr., Sr., III, etc.) should follow the middle or first name. Do not obstruct this area by using stamps, labels, holes or staples where the name has been printed.
2. Signature and residence of Person Fingerprinted Block
Obtain the signature of the person being fingerprinted, in ink. Also, enter the residential address of the person being fingerprinted.
3. Aliases (AKA) Block
Enter other names used by the subject that are different than the name entered in the “NAM” block #1. Also list the signature name as an AKA if different than the name that appears in the “NAM” block. Maiden names and all previous married names of females should be entered in the AKA field, if known.
4. *Originating Agency Identifier (ORI) Block
If the ORI number is not preprinted by the FBI, enter the ORI number, agency name, city and state. Each agency is assigned its own unique ORI number. If you do not have an ORI number, you can contact your NCIC Control Terminal Officer (CTO), and an ORI number will be assigned to your agency. Federal agencies should contact their Federal Service Coordinator to obtain an ORI number.
5. *Date of Birth (DOB) Block
Enter the DOB in month, day, year format (i.e. MM/DD/YYYY). If a complete DOB is not known, enter approximate age followed by the statement “YEARS OF AGE”. Fingerprint cards of person 99 years old or older are not processed by the FBI; they will be rejected.
6. Citizenship (CTZ) Block
Enter “U.S.” if the subject is a citizen of the United States; otherwise, enter the appropriate country. Use the correct abbreviation for foreign countries or correctly spell the name of the country. A list of approved abbreviations can be found in the NCIC Code Manual. “YES” or “NO” responses are not acceptable.
7. *Sex (SEX) Block
Sex must be indicated by either “F” (female) or “M” (male). See Sex Code Table below for additional codes.
8. Race (RAC) Block
Race must be indicated by using the Race Code decision chart below
9. Height (HGT) Block
Height must be expressed in feet and inches. Fractions of an inch should be rounded off to the nearest inch. Inches less than ten should be preceded by a zero.
For example, five feet four inches should be submitted as “504” and six feet even would be “600”.
10. Weight (WGT) Block
Weight must be expressed in pounds. Fractions of a pound should be rounded off to the nearest pound.
11. Eye (EYE) Color Block
Indicate eye color by entering one of the codes from the eye color decision chart below.
12. Hair (HAI) color Block
Indicate hair color by entering one of the codes from the hair color decision chart below.
13. Place of Birth (POB) Block
Enter the subject’s state, territorial possession, province (Canadian), or country of birth. Use the correct abbreviation for foreign countries or correctly spell the name of the country. A list of approved abbreviations can be found in the NCIC Code Manual. Do not list a county as a POB.
14. Originating Case Agency/Local Agency Identification Reference (OCA/LIR)
Block
Enter your agency’s identification or case number for the subject. The OCA must not exceed twenty (20) alphanumeric characters.
15. FBI Number (FBI) Block
Enter the assigned FBI Number for the subject, if known.
16. Armed Forces Number (MNU) Block
Enter Armed Forces number, if known.
17. Social Security Number (SOC) Block
Enter the subject’s Social Security number, if known.
18. Miscellaneous Number (MNU) Block
The MNU is an identifying number associated with the subject such as U.S. Military Service Number, Passport Number, etc. Enter the MNU and indicate the description according to the decision chart on page 40.
19. Date Fingerprinted Block
Enter the date the subject was fingerprinted in month, day, year format (i.e. MM/DD/YYYY).
20. Signature of Official Taking Fingerprints Block
Enter the signature or name of the official taking fingerprints. Also list the official’s ID number if applicable.
21. Employer and Address Block
Enter the subject’s potential employer and address of that employer.
22. Reason Fingerprinted Block
Miscellaneous Applicant: Fingerprint cards are submitted when a person is applying for law enforcement/criminal justice background checks. Clearly state the position and or agency as applicable such as: Law Enforcement Officer, Corrections Officer, NCIC Terminal Operator, etc.
Applicant User Fee: Fingerprint cards are submitted when a person is applying for a non-law enforcement position and needs a background check completed as part of the hiring/licensing process (i.e. teacher, day care provider, school bus driver, racing commission, liquor license, etc.). Non-Federal Applicant User Fee fingerprint card submissions are governed by state statutes. A statute must be included in the Reason Fingerprinted block and coincide with the literal (i.e. Pharmacists B&PC 4345, Notaries Public Gov C 82141, AS 13.08.015 Permit for School Bus Driver).
23. *Fingerprint Impressions Block (Individual & Simultaneous)
Care should be taken to roll the fingers from nail to nail when taking the individual finger impressions. This will help ensure legibility. Roll the prints in the correct sequence code (note the right and left hand designations in the finger blocks) and obtain simultaneous plain “flat” impressions at 45 degree angles that do not extend up into the rolled impressions. Indicate amputated fingers, tip-amputated, transplanted toes/fingers, missing at birth, deformed, bandaged, scars, etc., in the appropriate finger block(s).

http://i.imgur.com/EAOnsdr.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZcyxVeq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pb03BWZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cnJ6MKr.jpg

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Quick question...scanned the thread quick but couldn't find anything on this.

Just mailed a F4 out today and I checked everything over numerous times so I was confident that everything was in order. However, after checking the completed F4 that I have saved on my PC, I noticed that the fillable version I have seems to call for 2 signatures on the payment page (I'm using a CC). The box to the left of the "Total amount" box calls for a signature plus the line labled "Signature of  Cardholder" (which is the only one I signed on the payment page). Should I be concerned about my F4 being sent back?

I can't recall if I signed the payment page twice when I did my F1's.

BTW: Thanks for this thread. Has helped me a bunch with this whole NFA circus!

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@BigWaylon

I'm not seeing it anywhere in the F4 Trust procedures on Page 1. Do I also submit a copy of the trust along with Schedule A still, or is that requirement gone?

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Thanks, if I’m submitting multiple forms simultaneously is a single copy ok or do I need one for each form?

I believe my Trustees appear in the affidavit of trust, and the trust is written in such a way that it can be amended with a new affidavit. In this case, is it ok to just include the new affidavit?

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@BigWaylon

I just submitted my first post-41F eForm1. Everything else I've done thus far has been pre 41F or through a SilencerShop kiosk. My Form.pdf came in via email but there wasn't a cover sheet or anything referencing what to do with fingerprints (submitted a Remington TAC-13, not in the dropdown, so still in Draft). Is this the address I send the fingerprint cards to:

NFA Branch
P.O. Box 530298
Atlanta, GA 30353-0298

How do I reference or associate my prints with my Form 1?

Thanks.

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Thanks for the address and information.

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Question if anyone can answer. Is there a specific FD-258 for finger prints for submitting to FBI? My local municipality told me he had cards come back that the used because there wasn’t a stamp on them that the ATF cards have? If this is true, beside from the gov, is there somewhere else to get these with this stamp?

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Thank you for the response. I order these From amazon. See some were complaining of them being outdated. Is this going to be an issue?

FD258

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I had my prints done the other day and the card had black lines and text with the exception of the FD-258 (Rev. 5-15-17 1110-0046).  The card did not have the ORI on it.  Will the ATF accept this card if I add the ORI information to it?  I am not sure why blue or black lines would matter... but figured I would ask.

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I have another set of cards, do I need to spend more money to get this done properly?

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What have people been submitting as proof of entity existence using approvals within previous 24 months? You don't actually need to include a copy of a previously approved form, right? Just a simple homemade form like:

Certification of entity existence from prior approval within 24 months

I certify that there has been no change to the documentation
evidencing the existence and validity of the entity previously
provided with the previously approved application:

Form number:
Serial number:
Approved date:

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Signature

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Date

With the form number being either 5320.1 or 5320.4

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Anyone have a couple of the finger print cards they could mail me. with the shut down it is taking forever. Id be willing to throw some paypal towards whomever. thanks

just PM me please , on site.