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Posted: 12/18/2017 2:29:19 PM EDT
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Reading the purchase requirements there are too many hoops to jump thru for me. If I want another 1911 I'll just go buy a brand new one. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 2:41:34 PM EDT
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I did speak to my son this weekend hes in the NYNG and told me they are issued 1911 pistols and they only issues the ones that are "used" over and over again.. New stock in kept under lock and key.. The attitude is we purchased them we will use them.. I asked him about seeing what looked like glocks at grand central two weeks ago..
He told me they could have been Air Force if they were glocks he wasnt sure.. The uniform didn't look like his but when I brought him back to GA for training on Sunday the mp had the same type and i said that is what it looked like and said yep they are air force.. sucks to be them to be deployed here. Even in his boot in 2015 at Benning he told me his a2 would double a lot all they did was keep replacing the bolt for them instead of swapping out the trigger pack had a higher level of maintenance and they will have to wait until it total fails with bolt swaps before they send them to the next level of rebuild. He told me his new a4 was still the clp and in the bag when they got them this year.. They deploy next year.. I asked him who made it he had to pull out a pic and they are FN's |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:24:09 PM EDT
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Reading the purchase requirements there are too many hoops to jump thru for me. If I want another 1911 I'll just go buy a brand new one. |
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Posted: 12/31/2017 11:14:42 PM EDT
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F the CMP! If they can't send a firearm to my FFL, then why should I go to someone else's FFL to take delivery of it. They (CMP) are now on my list of sellers that I will no longer support, because they will not support me.
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Posted: 1/1/2018 12:19:45 AM EDT
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2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity
I go to the range every weekend and shoot pistols almost every night after work. Well they can melt them into scrap. Assholes. I thought the point was to cut the pork and offset the defense budget? If that's so. Sell the damn things! To hell with their prerequisites. No CMP affiliated clubs near me. |
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Posted: 1/1/2018 12:40:58 AM EDT
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2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity I go to the range every weekend and shoot pistols almost every night after work. Well they can melt them into scrap. Assholes. I thought the point was to cut the pork and offset the defense budget? If that's so. Sell the damn things! To hell with their prerequisites. No CMP affiliated clubs near me. |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 6:03:59 PM EDT
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Status of the CMP 1911s, 1/29/2018:
The CMP has been authorized to receive 8,000 1911 type pistols from the United States Army. The 1911s have been received by the CMP. A complete inventory will be conducted over the course of this week. The pistols will then be securely stored until the Army-approved 1911 building and armory infrastructure is completed. That completion is anticipated to be approximately 60 days from now. Once the 1911 armory is completed, inspection, grading, repair, and ultimately test firing of the pistols will begin. (Please be aware that the CMP was led to believe that we were ready to move forward, but three weeks ago facility requirements were changed, and we are now fulfilling those requirements.) The CMP 1911 order packet will be posted 90 days prior to the order acceptance date and opening sales date. No orders will be accepted prior to that date. Please visit www.thecmp.org, click on the Sales icon then 1911 Information, for the latest. CMP customer service has been inundated with calls and emails concerning the 1911s and no further information is available at this time. The CMP will keep everyone posted as we move through this process. Mark Johnson Chief Operating Officer Civilian Marksmanship Program www.thecmp.org |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 6:11:21 PM EDT
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Status of the CMP 1911s, 1/29/2018: The CMP has been authorized to receive 8,000 1911 type pistols from the United States Army. The 1911s have been received by the CMP. A complete inventory will be conducted over the course of this week. The pistols will then be securely stored until the Army-approved 1911 building and armory infrastructure is completed. That completion is anticipated to be approximately 60 days from now. Once the 1911 armory is completed, inspection, grading, repair, and ultimately test firing of the pistols will begin. (Please be aware that the CMP was led to believe that we were ready to move forward, but three weeks ago facility requirements were changed, and we are now fulfilling those requirements.) The CMP 1911 order packet will be posted 90 days prior to the order acceptance date and opening sales date. No orders will be accepted prior to that date. Please visit www.thecmp.org, click on the Sales icon then 1911 Information, for the latest. CMP customer service has been inundated with calls and emails concerning the 1911s and no further information is available at this time. The CMP will keep everyone posted as we move through this process. Mark Johnson Chief Operating Officer Civilian Marksmanship Program www.thecmp.org |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 7:55:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think 60 days for a "Army-approved 1911 building and armory infrastructure is completed" is rather optimistic knowing how government works. Perhaps we'll be surprised. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:50:21 AM EDT
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You're not the market they are looking at. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reading the purchase requirements there are too many hoops to jump thru for me. If I want another 1911 I'll just go buy a brand new one. I'll spend my money elsewhere |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 10:34:04 AM EDT
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General types of pistols to be sold:
Refurbed and ready to issue (re-finished, a lot of mix-masters in arms-room grade); weapons excess to the Army Museum system; rare pieces to auction (cherry-unissued; rare markings; General Officer M15 and USAMU-modified; National Match pistols); blaster-grade re-builds, lower collector value (i.e., GI frame but generic GI contract replacement slides [7792345] and barrels [7791193]). |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 12:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And they aren't going to get me... if they insult me by not recognizing my 03 license , then they can keep their worn out pieces of history. I'll spend my money elsewhere CD |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 2:12:29 PM EDT
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Update
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/01/new-update-status-cmp-1911s-from-united-states-army/amp/ |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 10:47:53 PM EDT
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Nothing forcing you to buy from CMP. But if you happen to read the bill where CONGRESS authorized the guns then you would also KNOW that CONGRESS didn't recognize your 03 License not CMP. CMP has lots of hoops and hurdles to jump thru to offer these for sale. CD Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: And they aren't going to get me... if they insult me by not recognizing my 03 license , then they can keep their worn out pieces of history. I'll spend my money elsewhere CD |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 6:06:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CMP / Congress -- it's still someone telling me the license that I was issued isn't good for them ... have fun in the lottery |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 6:29:45 PM EDT
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Nothing forcing you to buy from CMP. But if you happen to read the bill where CONGRESS authorized the guns then you would also KNOW that CONGRESS didn't recognize your 03 License not CMP. CMP has lots of hoops and hurdles to jump thru to offer these for sale. CD |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:47:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:25:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAnd it's your responsibility to do that 10 second search when you make assertions about the law.
Now you've got to show us where in that document it forbids the transfer of these pistols to C&R licensees. You've made a claim, BACK IT UP. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:00:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it's your responsibility to do that 10 second search when you make assertions about the law. Now you've got to show us where in that document it forbids the transfer of these pistols to C&R licensees. You've made a claim, BACK IT UP. CD |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 8:01:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You asked for the link, link and information was given and backed up. I don't have to spoon feed it to you. Its been talked about on multiple times and public record. CD 
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Posted: 2/1/2018 9:13:27 AM EDT
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He thinks that bill says what he claims it says, but it's not there.
That's why I'm telling him to back up his claim. There's nothing in that authorization mandating how CMP sells the guns that's different than how they sell Garands. Which means it's back on CMP and not Congress. Or he could actually cite the passage and prove me wrong. Which he can't do, so he's going to resort to mild insults to save face. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 9:19:27 AM EDT
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Status of the CMP 1911s, 1/29/2018: The CMP has been authorized to receive 8,000 1911 type pistols from the United States Army. The 1911s have been received by the CMP. A complete inventory will be conducted over the course of this week. The pistols will then be securely stored until the Army-approved 1911 building and armory infrastructure is completed. That completion is anticipated to be approximately 60 days from now. Once the 1911 armory is completed, inspection, grading, repair, and ultimately test firing of the pistols will begin. (Please be aware that the CMP was led to believe that we were ready to move forward, but three weeks ago facility requirements were changed, and we are now fulfilling those requirements.) The CMP 1911 order packet will be posted 90 days prior to the order acceptance date and opening sales date. No orders will be accepted prior to that date. Please visit www.thecmp.org, click on the Sales icon then 1911 Information, for the latest. CMP customer service has been inundated with calls and emails concerning the 1911s and no further information is available at this time. The CMP will keep everyone posted as we move through this process. Mark Johnson Chief Operating Officer Civilian Marksmanship Program www.thecmp.org |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 9:50:54 AM EDT
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Read through the applicable sections and it authorizes transfer from Anniston to the CMP providing timelines , amounts, a pilot program, a final report in 2019 and various inspections and the like, but nothing about how they will be sold by the CMP (other than "fair market value") once they are received. At least, nothing that I can glean from all of that.
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Posted: 2/1/2018 10:19:54 AM EDT
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http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/
Under "Second Reason" CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress specifies that the purchaser “successfully pass a thorough and complete background check”, i.e. NICS. CMP cannot turn any firearm over to the purchaser until it receives a “proceed” from NICS, the local FFL can turn the pistol over after 72 business hours have elapsed if they have not heard back from NICS. Turning the pistol over after 72 hours and not getting a “proceed” does not satisfy CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress. This leaves CMP no choice but to have a NICS check done and get a “proceed” to satisfy its enabling legislation, before shipping to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL. Congress absolutely made it impossible to ship to an 03 FFL for this sale. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:30:43 PM EDT
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http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/ Under "Second Reason" (Bold mine) Congress absolutely made it impossible to ship to an 03 FFL for this sale. Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/ Under "Second Reason" CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress specifies that the purchaser “successfully pass a thorough and complete background check”, i.e. NICS. CMP cannot turn any firearm over to the purchaser until it receives a “proceed” from NICS, the local FFL can turn the pistol over after 72 business hours have elapsed if they have not heard back from NICS. Turning the pistol over after 72 hours and not getting a “proceed” does not satisfy CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress. This leaves CMP no choice but to have a NICS check done and get a “proceed” to satisfy its enabling legislation, before shipping to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL. Congress absolutely made it impossible to ship to an 03 FFL for this sale. What other document was signed into law, or passed by Congress or amended to any of these Bills that specifies that? Not being a butt here, but where does it say that , in a lawful document produced by Congress? |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:11:53 PM EDT
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I see where the CMP makes that statement, but in the linked document authorizing the pistols release , there is no mention of a background check. What other document was signed into law, or passed by Congress or amended to any of these Bills that specifies that? Not being a butt here, but where does it say that , in a lawful document produced by Congress? http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20171113/HRPT-115-HR2810.pdf |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:34:42 PM EDT
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And when you look up those applicable laws, you find no difference between selling a Garand and a 1911 in the law.
Yet, we've many more requirements tacked on to the sale of the pistols than the rifles. And nothing from Congress demanding it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 6:57:55 PM EDT
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I see where the CMP makes that statement, but in the linked document authorizing the pistols release , there is no mention of a background check. What other document was signed into law, or passed by Congress or amended to any of these Bills that specifies that? Not being a butt here, but where does it say that , in a lawful document produced by Congress? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/ Under "Second Reason" CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress specifies that the purchaser “successfully pass a thorough and complete background check”, i.e. NICS. CMP cannot turn any firearm over to the purchaser until it receives a “proceed” from NICS, the local FFL can turn the pistol over after 72 business hours have elapsed if they have not heard back from NICS. Turning the pistol over after 72 hours and not getting a “proceed” does not satisfy CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress. This leaves CMP no choice but to have a NICS check done and get a “proceed” to satisfy its enabling legislation, before shipping to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL. Congress absolutely made it impossible to ship to an 03 FFL for this sale. What other document was signed into law, or passed by Congress or amended to any of these Bills that specifies that? Not being a butt here, but where does it say that , in a lawful document produced by Congress? You'd trust Congress over the CMP? |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 8:15:48 AM EDT
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Why would the CMP lie about it? You'd trust Congress over the CMP? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/ Under "Second Reason" CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress specifies that the purchaser “successfully pass a thorough and complete background check”, i.e. NICS. CMP cannot turn any firearm over to the purchaser until it receives a “proceed” from NICS, the local FFL can turn the pistol over after 72 business hours have elapsed if they have not heard back from NICS. Turning the pistol over after 72 hours and not getting a “proceed” does not satisfy CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress. This leaves CMP no choice but to have a NICS check done and get a “proceed” to satisfy its enabling legislation, before shipping to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL. Congress absolutely made it impossible to ship to an 03 FFL for this sale. What other document was signed into law, or passed by Congress or amended to any of these Bills that specifies that? Not being a butt here, but where does it say that , in a lawful document produced by Congress? You'd trust Congress over the CMP? I don't trust anybody. I trust facts and here, they don't appear to be adding up |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 8:43:51 AM EDT
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"Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one the information provided by CMP to NICS and the second the information will be provided to NICS by the FFL dealer in which the pistol is shipped." This is the part that riles me.. I have a government issued license that allows me to purchase C&R firearms. These pistols qualify as C&R and yet this entity can choose whether or not to honor that. That isn't right at all |
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