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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:55:08 PM EDT
I found this No. 4 Mk 1 in the gunshop with an old but, I don't think, authentic scope on it and I don't know what to do. I really want it but I don't want to just impulsively jump at it. I also didn't think it would have been on my mind this much so I only cycled it once but it seemed alright. I don't want to just jump on it because it's pretty but I also don't want to wait and lose my shot at it. I know it's not the best picture to see all of it since I was just planned on looking at a shotgun and grabbing some ammo, but I could maybe go and get another pic tomorrow. Bottom line: what do you guys think? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:05:00 PM EDT
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How much they want for it would be the deciding factor.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:07:13 PM EDT
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around $300 but I don't want to say exactly, I'm afraid I might jinx and some go in and grab it first.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:07:35 PM EDT
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How much they want for it would be the deciding factor. Also, uh... about that Model 8 next to it? 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:09:44 PM EDT
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yeah i know right. I want that too but it's $749.99 which is just a bit much for the gotta have it now sale. Even if it's rare or a good price.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:11:54 PM EDT
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also the rifle cut off at the front in the pic is a spanish mauser at least labeled 1944 but the only mark I saw said La Concha or something.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:12:20 PM EDT
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I would start by taking a better picture of it
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:14:07 PM EDT
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around $300 but I don't want to say exactly, I'm afraid I might jinx and some go in and grab it first. ETA: Assuming it's not something uncommon. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:14:15 PM EDT
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I will go back tomorrow and try to get some better pics and see if I can get it put on reserve for at least a few days while I decide. I just went in to grab some ammo and look at a shotgun I've been wanting so I wasn't expecting to have this thing burning in my head all day.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:16:56 PM EDT
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That Model 8 does look pretty good. Where is this, exactly?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:18:03 PM EDT
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If the rifle has matching numbers and the scope mount is one of the no-drill types, that's not a bad price. If numbers don't match or it's been drilled and tapped, it's a meh price. ETA: Assuming it's not something uncommon. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:19:28 PM EDT
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That Model 8 does look pretty good. Where is this, exactly? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:22:52 PM EDT
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I paid $400 for this one. 1966 Ishapore in 7.62 NATO. All matching numbers in unaltered condition. Near perfect bore/barrel. (sellers pics from Armslist)
     
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:25:25 PM EDT
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How often SMLEs pop up anyway? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:27:14 PM EDT
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I paid $400 for this one. 1966 Ishapore in 7.62 NATO. All matching numbers in unaltered condition. Near perfect bore/barrel. (sellers pics from Armslist) |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:29:17 PM EDT
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Enfields are pretty common. Finding one that hasn't been hacked up is getting harder. The Rifle in your photo is a No4 MkI of some flavor. No1MkIII's are usually referred to as SMLE's. I think the price is going to come down to matching numbers, bore condition, and if the scope mount was a drilled type. Good luck. Don't overpay if it's been bubba'd. Is there a magazine? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:41:33 PM EDT
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When I go back for more pictures what should I focus on?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:49:27 PM EDT
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When I go back for more pictures what should I focus on? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:56:23 PM EDT
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One other thing OP, there are Lee Enfields out there. No need to jump on this one unless it's what you want. I kept my eye out for a long while before happening on mine. If you like the NO #1's better keep looking until you find one.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:58:27 PM EDT
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One other thing OP, there are Lee Enfields out there. No need to jump on this one unless it's what you want. I kept my eye out for a long while before happening on mine. If you like the NO #1's better keep looking until you find one. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 11:44:53 AM EDT
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I'm not a great photographer but I did get a few more pictures of what seemed important
https://i.imgur.com/0Q0f7Dw.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3l36iiP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/c2e9bae.jpg The bolt and receiver did have matching numbers |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:03:59 PM EDT
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Stock refinished too?
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:04:55 PM EDT
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Walk away......it's been drilled/tapped and covered in polyurethane.....
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:08:18 PM EDT
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For $300 if you want a deer gun, or a gun to punch holes in targets with, its a good buy....
But it has zero collector value thanks to the drill and tap...so if you want a "collector" gun, this isn't it...if you just want a gun that goes bang for fun, or hunting, its probably a pretty good deal... |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:15:03 PM EDT
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The rifle looks to be in good shape. I'm thinking that scope mount is drilled into the receiver which does hurt the overall value. If the price is right I would buy it myself. Does the serial # on the magazine match also?
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:16:23 PM EDT
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I wouldn't even look at it again for $300, IMO.
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:18:25 PM EDT
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For $300 if you want a deer gun, or a gun to punch holes in targets with, its a good buy.... But it has zero collector value thanks to the drill and tap...so if you want a "collector" gun, this isn't it...if you just want a gun that goes bang for fun, or hunting, its probably a pretty good deal... |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:25:36 PM EDT
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actually its $249.99 exactly, if that changes anything a lot. Also it will probably be a target shooter but I don't really like the scope either. If it's relevant this will be my first rifle I've bought for myself.
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:28:14 PM EDT
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actually its $249.99 exactly, if that changes anything a lot. Also it will probably be a target shooter but I don't really like the scope either. If it's relevant this will be my first rifle I've bought for myself. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:40:13 PM EDT
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Thank for all the help but thinking it over I think I will take Apocalyto's advice from yesterday and pass on this one for now and look for the No.1 MkIII I really want. There's a gun show this weekend and a couple auctions I'm watching now that I've actually looked so I think I'll get one I really want at a good price.
Just in case someone wants the one I found it's at Franklin Gun Shop in Athens for $249.99 and obviously that's also where the Auto 8 is too. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:53:58 PM EDT
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Thank for all the help but thinking it over I think I will take Apocalyto's advice from yesterday and pass on this one for now and look for the No.1 MkIII I really want. There's a gun show this weekend and a couple auctions I'm watching now that I've actually looked so I think I'll get one I really want at a good price. Just in case someone wants the one I found it's at Franklin Gun Shop in Athens for $249.99 and obviously that's also where the Auto 8 is too. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 1:15:50 PM EDT
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Good choice. Get what you really want, you'll find a good No#1, just be patient, although you will pay more than $250 for it I promise. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 1:24:36 PM EDT
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I agree. If you are looking for a collector piece, I'd walk away from that one.
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Posted: 9/20/2017 2:34:05 PM EDT
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Front sight cut off?
$100 |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 6:33:02 PM EDT
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Concur with all. Too far gone, and not worth it to a collector. Pass on this rifle.
Be patient and bide your time. The perfect SMLE will come along, just have to wait for it. This was mine.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached FileAll-matching, nearly original WWI production SSA Mk. III*. SSA is the rarest of SMLE Mk. III makers, with total production somewhere around 250,000 between 1916 and 1918. It came as pictured, with the quite uncommon Pattern '14 leather sling (original, not a repro) attached. The unit disc is marked to the 2nd Battalion of the Royal Marines, with an issue date of August 1937, rack number x2445. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:05:48 PM EDT
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Concur with all. Too far gone, and not worth it to a collector. Pass on this rifle. Be patient and bide your time. The perfect SMLE will come along, just have to wait for it. This was mine. All-matching, nearly original WWI production SSA Mk. III*. SSA is the rarest of SMLE Mk. III makers, with total production somewhere around 250,000 between 1916 and 1918. It came as pictured, with the quite uncommon Pattern '14 leather sling (original, not a repro) attached. Nice SMLE !! What year/make was the bayonet? |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:08:23 PM EDT
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Maybe there, but still a lot of those slings floating around here (& elsewhere) Nice SMLE !! What year/make was the bayonet? The P'07 bayonet is a 1915 Sanderson, and still has its early "teardrop" scabbard. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:15:46 PM EDT
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I love the No. 1's....
 
Marked to the Aussie 1st Field Artlliery Battalion, the designation was used during Gallipoli and before, they changed designations shortly after leaving Gallipoli, and going to the Western Front...  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:23:04 PM EDT
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I love the No. 1's....
Marked to the Aussie 1st Field Artlliery Battalion, the designation was used during Gallipoli and before, they changed designations shortly after leaving Gallipoli, and going to the Western Front... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/gal1-312535.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/gal2-312537.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/gal3-312538.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/gal4-312539.JPG |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:28:16 PM EDT
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Nice! That's part of the batch of rifles that were given to the Aussies in compensation for all the Lithgow rifles they supplied during WWI. I've got a 1915 LSA Mk. III (cutoff intact as well) out of that lot too. It's a mishmash of British and Aussie parts, but still has walnut furniture. Interestingly, the walnut forestock has been inletted with the brass recoil plates commonly seen on Aussie coachwood forestocks. I have this very well used Lithgow too...  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:33:49 PM EDT
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Cool, I used to have quite a few Aussies, always liked them...love the early ones with the cool markings on the butt... I have this very well used Lithgow too... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/100_1119-312558.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/100_1120-312559.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/100_1122-312560.JPG As far as old SMLEs go, you'll be hard pressed to find one older than this guy...  Attached File Attached File Attached FileAussie-owned for a while, too. This one's technically a No. 2 now, but it was a .303 SMLE for most of its life. And yes, manufacture date 1901, two years before the SMLE was even accepted for service...
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:41:21 PM EDT
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Wow, that's nice! Plus its a Sparkbrook! Me likey!
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:43:27 PM EDT
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New Zealand anyone?
 Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached FileNot a SMLE though.... Plus it has the early mag with link still attached...  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:52:18 PM EDT
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New Zealand anyone? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/20151009_154026-312583.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/20151001_201237-312584.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/20151001_203624-312585.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/20151009_154100-312586.JPG Not a SMLE though.... Plus it has the early mag with link still attached... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/20151009_154122-312588.JPG I've got this guy:  Attached File Attached FileYet another Sparky. This one's an 1897 MLE Mk. I. Bayonet is an 1890-dated Wilkinson P'88. This rifle has the "N" Naval marking on the left side of the wrist so it's an ex-RN rifle. Probably sat in a ship locker for a while. ETA: At this point I think we've probably ruined poor OP. He'll have Enfielditis bad. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:30:28 PM EDT
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Nice! I always wanted a Long Tom, the Range Pattern is the closest I have come....And you are exactly right. This was a homemade bubba job...but it has all the right parts, and its cool...
I figure we are just whetting his appetite! Look at the hack job on that barrel!  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:39:51 PM EDT
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Nice! I always wanted a Long Tom, the Range Pattern is the closest I have come....And you are exactly right. This was a homemade bubba job...but it has all the right parts, and its cool... I figure we are just whetting his appetite! Look at the hack job on that barrel! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/20151009_154234-312666.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/20151001_203746-312670.JPG If you didn't know, the C14 marking on the buttplate tang indicates it's part of a lot of Long Lee rifles that NZ bought from Canada in 1914. These were still in use as late as WWII, being issued to shore watch patrols, and a number of them were used as the base for the construction of the Charlton Automatic Rifle. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:44:11 PM EDT
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Never mind giving the OP Enfield envy, now I'm going to have to get me one in 303 to go with my Ishapore 7.62.
 
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Posted: 9/20/2017 9:55:09 PM EDT
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Sometimes one of these will pop up for under $300 at a local shop!
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Posted: 9/21/2017 7:04:10 AM EDT
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Sometimes one of these will pop up for under $300 at a local shop! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/253428/image2-312792.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/253428/image1-312791.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/253428/IMG_1645-312790.JPG Another I dream of owning...RIC carbine.... Is that French looking side sling mount in the butt original? I don't recall.... |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 8:13:26 AM EDT
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You lucky bastard, not in any gun shop I've ever been in! Another I dream of owning...RIC carbine.... Is that French looking side sling mount in the butt original? I don't recall.... |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 12:08:07 PM EDT
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Damn I don't look for one day and now everyone has come out to brag on their own SMLE, maybe I'll find a good one at muh gunshow. If not I'll keep an eagle eye on gunbroker.
I thought we decided to talk me out of it but you guys with your nice pics are making it worse. |
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