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Posted: 2/9/2006 5:14:34 AM EDT
we are starting a match this year with c and r rifles and we can only use surplus or manufactured ammo,no reload specials. im thinking k31,what do you all think? its only 100 yards.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 5:25:54 AM EDT
Iron sights only?

If so, the 8mm mauser is pretty darn accurate and cheap too.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 6:10:22 AM EDT
The m96 swede is super accurate. Mine could easily post quarter size groups at 100 yards, before I sold it like a jackass.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:02:28 AM EDT
K-31 no contest.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:17:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MauserMark:
K-31 no contest.




+1.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:28:06 AM EDT
Im gonna go with a M98k-8mm or a K31
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:32:28 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:56:59 AM EDT
My RC 98k is my most accurate so far.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:59:28 AM EDT
M96 is my choice
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:45:27 AM EDT
I've found the accuracy between the K31 and the Swede M96 mauser to be so close as to be no difference at all. It really comes down to 2 things. How good your eyes are, and how good a trigger the Swede has.

The K31 triggers are almost universally great. Smooth and crisp. Some people prefer the sights on the mauser, some prefer the K31.

My best swede is marginally better than my best K31. But I can shoot all my K31s better because the triggers are so good.

Also, since you say you are going to have to use surplus or commercial ammo, the Swiss surplus ammo is better than any swedish ammo on the market. I've used it to shoot matches out to 800 yards with good results.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:11:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/9/2006 9:11:46 AM EDT by jbweld]
Accuracy varies between individual rifles. I have several K31's and they all shoot better than I am capable of. My Finn M39 though is more accurate than the K31's. Condition of the M39's can vary greatly, so it is probably a safer bet to get a Swiss.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 11:08:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 12:00:27 PM EDT
K31
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 1:14:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/9/2006 1:21:28 PM EDT by jeffk03]
K31 is a great rifle - super accurate off the bench. - however, consider the ladder sight when making your selection. See how many NRA highpower shooters use ladder type sights if they have the choice between a ladder V notch sight and an aperture.

I'm going to differ and say M1903A3 or M1 Garand for your match, or if you are allowed to modify a C&R, put an aperture on a K31. (Before I get flamed, do it in a way that doesn't destroy the original ladder sight and can be replaced with no damage to the weapon.) To shoot my 1938 Turk Mauser more accurately in highpower matches, I got a trashed 38 Turkish Mauser sight ladder, dremeled a cut in it, had a friend mill an aperture, then soldered it on the trashed sight ladder. I then took off my original sight ladder and put on the modified one - I shoot WAY tighter groups now at 100 yrds, and didn't damage the original weapon in the slightest.

Link Posted: 2/9/2006 3:02:15 PM EDT
K-31 Swiss or a M96 Swede
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 4:08:02 PM EDT
K31 both because of the quality of the rifle, and the quality of the ammo.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 5:36:12 PM EDT
A No 4 Enfield in .303..........Swede Mausers.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 5:58:01 PM EDT
Swiss K31, Finnish M39, Swedish M96, US M1903 all are right there at the top. It is the shooter that will determine which of these does best.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 10:48:53 PM EDT
It's kind of a silly argument. There are M39's that shoot sub-MOA, and K-31's, and M96's, and K98's and 03 springfields. There are Arisakas that can shoot that well, too.

The question is too vague. What it should be is over the course of the entire manufacture of a single variant, which model was the most consistently accurate?

In that light, a rifle like the K31 is very good. Or, obviously, it's grandfather the 1911SR. The Swede 96 is also very capable, the M27 Finn Mosin is legendary, on and on.

It's also very important to remember how much of an impact good ammo made on these guns. The K-31's ammo was nearly match grade, always. Not so for the Swedes, or the Japanese, so their rifles in service tended to be average but on the range with good ammo were phenomonal.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 11:53:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
It's kind of a silly argument. There are M39's that shoot sub-MOA, and K-31's, and M96's, and K98's and 03 springfields. There are Arisakas that can shoot that well, too.

The question is too vague. What it should be is over the course of the entire manufacture of a single variant, which model was the most consistently accurate?

In that light, a rifle like the K31 is very good. Or, obviously, it's grandfather the 1911SR. The Swede 96 is also very capable, the M27 Finn Mosin is legendary, on and on.

It's also very important to remember how much of an impact good ammo made on these guns. The K-31's ammo was nearly match grade, always. Not so for the Swedes, or the Japanese, so their rifles in service tended to be average but on the range with good ammo were phenomonal.



Plus you're only talking 100 yds. The 10 ring is 3" at 100 yds. You'd be hard pressed to find a rifle in decent shape that can't hold that. Hell, for that matter, find a C&R .22 target rifle.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 6:59:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
It's kind of a silly argument. There are M39's that shoot sub-MOA, and K-31's, and M96's, and K98's and 03 springfields. There are Arisakas that can shoot that well, too.

The question is too vague. What it should be is over the course of the entire manufacture of a single variant, which model was the most consistently accurate?

In that light, a rifle like the K31 is very good. Or, obviously, it's grandfather the 1911SR. The Swede 96 is also very capable, the M27 Finn Mosin is legendary, on and on.

It's also very important to remember how much of an impact good ammo made on these guns. The K-31's ammo was nearly match grade, always. Not so for the Swedes, or the Japanese, so their rifles in service tended to be average but on the range with good ammo were phenomonal.



Remember, the Swede milsurp ammo was made by Norma and the 139gr was made for their snipers. It is accurate. The M96 or the shorter M38 Swede rfles are very accurate. I have a problem with their sights though. I can shoot my K31 better just because of the sights. The Swiss ammo is almost match grade.
The Finn M39 is as accurate as the Swede and Swiss rifles, but good ammo is tough to find.

Buy a K31. The trigger is great, the barrels were free floated at the factory, and the rifle was desugned around the ammo. The Swede 6.5 bullet has a great sectional density and ballistic coefficient but is light for long range shooting. The 7.5 Swiss measures .308, and that bullet is famous for long range.

Jim
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 9:17:40 AM EDT
i just bought 2 k31's at the gun show. i also bought 120 rds of ammo. can you reload the what is it gp11?
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 4:29:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By howster:
i just bought 2 k31's at the gun show. i also bought 120 rds of ammo. can you reload the what is it gp11?



It is reloadable, but it is Berdan primed (2 flash holes vs a single one on most all U.S. ammo). Takes different equipement to do it. Most people find it not worth the effort.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 4:29:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By howster:
i just bought 2 k31's at the gun show. i also bought 120 rds of ammo. can you reload the what is it gp11?



No, the brass isn't reloadable. New or gently used brass is available.
You do need to be aware of the short throats in the K31s. Some bullets will be too long. The Berger VLD bullets work very well.
I would be leery of loading anything with surplus brass since over time brass may become brittle.
You will also find it difficult to handload to the accuracy level of the GP11. It's that good!

Jim
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 10:56:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pepperbelly:

Originally Posted By howster:
i just bought 2 k31's at the gun show. i also bought 120 rds of ammo. can you reload the what is it gp11?



No, the brass isn't reloadable. New or gently used brass is available.
You do need to be aware of the short throats in the K31s. Some bullets will be too long. The Berger VLD bullets work very well.
I would be leery of loading anything with surplus brass since over time brass may become brittle.
You will also find it difficult to handload to the accuracy level of the GP11. It's that good!

Jim



Graf's and Son sell boxer-primed brass for the 7.5x55. Also one can resize .284 Win brass, which is what I did when no brass was available.
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