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Posted: 8/3/2020 5:51:45 PM EDT
[#1]
Low and behold the Level IV test. Odd enough Youtube deemed this one LONA'D (limited or no ads), even though it's the exact format as the level III test. I'm willing to bet they'll probably tell me I "exceed brand safety thresholds" even though there's nothing defined on YT for such made up bullshit..
 LA Police Gear (LAPG) NIJ Level IV Body Armor, Torture Test! |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 2:59:54 PM EDT
[#2]
Great video man, thanks!
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Posted: 8/4/2020 3:32:35 PM EDT
[#3]
So if you took an 30-06 M2 AP in the chest while wearing these plates is it going to break ribs/sternum?
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:51:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So if you took an 30-06 M2 AP in the chest while wearing these plates is it going to break ribs/sternum?  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 10:48:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At NIJ distance and at the NIJ spec? I don't think so. I am not sure what "survivable" is in terms of broken bones, bruising, or internal bleeding, but NIJ calls for less than 44mm of backface signature. There's a video of a guy on YT taking a hit of 308 point blank while standing on 1 leg, and he was just fine. This guy takes a hit of .308 at point blank (okay 10' or so) to the back, and is apparently just fine moments after.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji5VpHaNySw@Buffman_LT1, Are you using that video as inspiration for your next armor test?  Seriously though, your videos are excellent and you are appreciated. |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 10:56:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Buffman_LT1, Are you using that video as inspiration for your next armor test? Seriously though, your videos are excellent and you are appreciated. |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 11:21:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think I would ever do that :) 
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Posted: 8/6/2020 12:19:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like how you used "think" as in there might be a chance...... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't think I would ever do that :) 
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Posted: 8/6/2020 5:36:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think I would ever do that :) Richard Davis, from 2nd Chance used to do that in the 80's. There was a video tape (yes TAPE) that was called "Deadly Weapons - Deadly Effects" where he put the host in one of his rifle rated products, and shot *him* with an FAL  There were demonstrating the "bullets don't knock you down" fact.
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Posted: 8/6/2020 9:48:59 AM EDT
[#10]
Anyone using these in a crye jpc? What size jpc are you using?
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Posted: 8/6/2020 11:10:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone using these in a crye jpc? What size jpc are you using? Size wise, these actually measure 10"x12" out to the edges, not the "nominal" 10x12 size some plates have which is actually 9.5"x11.5". |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 3:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just got a set of the Lvl-III plates yesterday, they fit into my medium JPC 2.0. It's a tight fit but they're fully in there. Size wise, these actually measure 10"x12" out to the edges, not the "nominal" 10x12 size some plates have which is actually 9.5"x11.5". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone using these in a crye jpc? What size jpc are you using? Size wise, these actually measure 10"x12" out to the edges, not the "nominal" 10x12 size some plates have which is actually 9.5"x11.5". Interesting. I got the lvl IV and they are the exact same width as my RMA SAPI mediums, but about 1/2" shorter. Maybe I'll go run a tape measure by them to see what the actual measurement is. |
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Posted: 8/27/2020 2:02:10 PM EDT
[#13]
Does anyone have a promo code that gets you more than 10% off?
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Posted: 8/27/2020 2:34:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone have a promo code that gets you more than 10% off? I had a 15% a while back that the plates went OOS as soon as I got the code 
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Posted: 8/28/2020 12:00:16 AM EDT
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400+ instock as of a few minutes ago. I got a pair of the level IV.
L15G19AG gives you 15% off making the plates about $100 per. |
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Posted: 8/28/2020 1:55:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 400+ instock as of a few minutes ago. I got a pair of the level IV. L15G19AG gives you 15% off making the plates about $100 per. Thanks for the code, it works. Ordered a set of IIIs with it 
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Posted: 8/29/2020 4:25:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 400+ instock as of a few minutes ago. I got a pair of the level IV. L15G19AG gives you 15% off making the plates about $100 per. Thanks for the code! Just ordered another set of the L3 and got the 15% discount. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 10:21:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 400+ instock as of a few minutes ago. I got a pair of the level IV. L15G19AG gives you 15% off making the plates about $100 per. I picked up a couple level IV, was 218 after tax shipped. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 4:58:01 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I picked up a couple level IV, was 218 after tax shipped. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:01:02 PM EDT
[#20]
These vs the Hesco 4410 or whatever they have on preorder. Difference and preference? New to armor but looking into getting some
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Posted: 8/29/2020 9:43:58 PM EDT
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Grabbed 4 earlier at$102 each after the 15% coupon code. There were 66 left in stock when I ordered.
I sprung for the 7.99 standard shipping and was also charged sales tax. Now to find a reasonable carrier. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 11:52:03 PM EDT
[#22]
https://lapolicegear.com/la-police-gear-level-iv-ballistic-armor-plate.html
Sorry guys, are you talking about this? it just says its out of stock... I'm trying to buy 2 |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 3:04:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://lapolicegear.com/la-police-gear-level-iv-ballistic-armor-plate.html Sorry guys, are you talking about this? it just says its out of stock... I'm trying to buy 2 the L3 is still in stock: https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-level3-plate.html |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:47:55 AM EDT
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What’s with the 1” partial foam edge. Is that normal on plates? Does that make a 10x12 really just 8x10 coverage?
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:18:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://lapolicegear.com/la-police-gear-level-iv-ballistic-armor-plate.html Sorry guys, are you talking about this? it just says its out of stock... I'm trying to buy 2 the L3 is still in stock: https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-level3-plate.html Just grabbed one. There was over 1k in stock when I ordered. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 11:40:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Grabbed 4 earlier at$102 each after the 15% coupon code. There were 66 left in stock when I ordered. I sprung for the 7.99 standard shipping and was also charged sales tax. Now to find a reasonable carrier. LBX has some in stock and seem to have good reviews here. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 11:59:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s with the 1” partial foam edge. Is that normal on plates? Does that make a 10x12 really just 8x10 coverage? It's actually about a 1/2" strip, around the circumference. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 1:27:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI saw that, but all things being the same, I would rather have the level IV, I guess I'll wait for the next batch. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 1:59:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's actually about a 1/2" strip, around the circumference. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 2:36:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, plus with a lot of "10x12", the actual measurment is closer to 9.5x11.5. These are truly 10x12, so in the end its kind of a wash for coverage of actual armor. The foam edge will help some with preventing damage from dropping or other benign impacts to the edges. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's actually about a 1/2" strip, around the circumference. Thank you. Makes sense now with the explanation. |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 3:02:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw that, but all things being the same, I would rather have the level IV, I guess I'll wait for the next batch. |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 7:13:10 AM EDT
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Holy cow, lapg already has the video of the level 3 plate posted.
Great videos. |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 11:28:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 in stock as of this post Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I saw that, but all things being the same, I would rather have the level IV, I guess I'll wait for the next batch. It say's I just bought the last two III+ plates. |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 11:29:41 AM EDT
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Any real reason to hesitate getting the III instead of waiting on IV?
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Posted: 8/31/2020 12:06:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any real reason to hesitate getting the III instead of waiting on IV? Weight/Price/Availability vs Threat Expectations. And don't forget, LAPG rates these as just III - but as we've seen thanks to Buffman, they stop 193/855/855A1 5.56 and up to M80A1 7.62. They even stopped M2AP on Mr G&G's vid - though BFD may get you. Pick a threat model and roll with it. |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 1:09:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weight/Price/Availability vs Threat Expectations. And don't forget, LAPG rates these as just III - but as we've seen thanks to Buffman, they stop 193/855/855A1 5.56 and up to M80A1 7.62. They even stopped M2AP on Mr G&G's vid - though BFD may get you. Pick a threat model and roll with it. So do you think they are actually a III+? |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 1:12:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 in stock as of this post When I click on level IV it tells me "out of stock"
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Posted: 8/31/2020 1:13:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weight/Price/Availability vs Threat Expectations. And don't forget, LAPG rates these as just III - but as we've seen thanks to Buffman, they stop 193/855/855A1 5.56 and up to M80A1 7.62. They even stopped M2AP on Mr G&G's vid - though BFD may get you. Pick a threat model and roll with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Any real reason to hesitate getting the III instead of waiting on IV? Weight/Price/Availability vs Threat Expectations. And don't forget, LAPG rates these as just III - but as we've seen thanks to Buffman, they stop 193/855/855A1 5.56 and up to M80A1 7.62. They even stopped M2AP on Mr G&G's vid - though BFD may get you. Pick a threat model and roll with it. Thanks, I went ahead and ordered a pair. "Not quite as good" is definitely better than "none" in this case. |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 4:21:57 PM EDT
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Seem like the Level III plate gets a lot of good reviews online. A hangup of mine is size vs a 11x14. I'm a big guy...6'5" and about 218 (and currently losing weight). Collarbone to navel is 17", nipple to nipple is right at 11". To me it seems I should focus on 11x14 but as a starter set, I hate to pass up a deal as I don't have anything right now. Obviously would need a carrier, which are also hard to find right now. Thoughts? I know I will pay a bit more for 11x14 which may put armor out of my reach right now. Hate to skimp on something that may save your life...but is smaller better than nothing?
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Posted: 9/1/2020 8:37:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seem like the Level III plate gets a lot of good reviews online. A hangup of mine is size vs a 11x14. I'm a big guy...6'5" and about 218 (and currently losing weight). Collarbone to navel is 17", nipple to nipple is right at 11". To me it seems I should focus on 11x14 but as a starter set, I hate to pass up a deal as I don't have anything right now. Obviously would need a carrier, which are also hard to find right now. Thoughts? I know I will pay a bit more for 11x14 which may put armor out of my reach right now. Hate to skimp on something that may save your life...but is smaller better than nothing? Joe I'm 6'1 and about 220 and the 10x12's cover the vitals with ease. I had 11x14 Steel's to start (now they sit it the truck), but don't feel "under armored" with 10x12 at all. Then there's the weight/cost/availability *at this point in time*, carrier selection/avaiability for 11x14's, and, based on carrier - mounting the firearm in the shoulder pocket with the wider 11x14's based on plate cut. Only you can decide, but if you are bit financially "liquid" - you could get the 10x12's, and if they don't work, have them for the girlfriend/wife/kid? |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 1:08:15 PM EDT
[#41]
How long does LAPG typically take to ship an order?
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Posted: 9/3/2020 2:44:19 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long does LAPG typically take to ship an order? My recent order for the LIIIs took 6 days. I had an order before that of some BS AR500 plates (LAPG werent in stock) ship in a few days, than sat at FedEx in NC for severals weeks. Got a refund, then the LIIIs came back in stock so I grabbed them |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 3:15:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So do you think they are actually a III+? Didn't see this, sorry. People get touchy with ratings, especially when not on an NIJ CERT continuous spot check program. I think they are "Level Stops 5.56 and 7.62 EPR" rated... A.K.A "Level Good Enough For Me"
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Posted: 9/3/2020 3:47:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long does LAPG typically take to ship an order? I ordered Sunday morning and received L3 plates today Thursday. L3s fit nicely in a medium Slickster PC. Tight fitting the first time sliding them in due to width and easier in and out after the material stretched. Length is good. It would be difficult to get a much longer plate in there. |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 4:32:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long does LAPG typically take to ship an order? ordered yesterday, they shipped today, I got the $1.99 shipping, they say it will take 10 business days.... lets see |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 5:49:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ordered yesterday, they shipped today, I got the $1.99 shipping, they say it will take 10 business days.... lets see Did they use UPS, FedEx or USPS? |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 6:02:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: I ordered Sunday morning and received L3 plates today Thursday. Quoted: ordered yesterday, they shipped today, I got the $1.99 shipping, they say it will take 10 business days.... lets see Wtf I ordered on the 31st and mine haven't even shipped yet 
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Posted: 9/3/2020 6:25:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they use UPS, FedEx or USPS? Fedex ground, its supposed to be here next Thursday. |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 6:26:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wtf I ordered on the 31st and mine haven't even shipped yet Send them an email, their phone number from the web page doesn't work |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 6:36:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Send them an email, their phone number from the web page doesn't work Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wtf I ordered on the 31st and mine haven't even shipped yet Send them an email, their phone number from the web page doesn't work Yeah I already submitted a question about it on the contact form. |
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