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Posted: 3/29/2006 3:56:13 PM EDT
Looking for a blazing semi shotgun. USAS and SPAS15 are out of the question

discuss...
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 3:59:56 PM EDT
I would say Benelli
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 4:02:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 4:03:46 PM EDT by seahawkdodge]
Most pumps are just as fast as semi's. But you might want to look at the FN Police Autoloader.

www.fnherstal.com/html/SLPS.htm

It doesn't want to come up right, so click on "Law Enforcement", then "Shotgun" and it is the only option on the menu.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 4:03:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LgAnimalVet:
I would say Benelli



What model?

I was looking at the xtreme beretta or whatever it is...

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 4:05:10 PM EDT
I know the Benelli M1 Super 90 was at one time the fastest, but not sure if it still is.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 4:11:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 4:22:26 PM EDT
Saiga 12 hands down.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 5:17:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 5:17:30 PM EDT by AssaultRifler]
I'd say Benelli, they used to have ads pouting they're the fastest shotgun around, never seen any counter ads.


Tom Knapp used a Benelli to break world records http://www.benelliusa.com/tom-knapp/index.tpl


But Google found a counter claim:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/benelli_black_eagle_take.htm

"Much hay has been made of the fast-cycling time of the Benelli action. Speed shooter Patrick Flanigan became the first person in recorded history to throw 11 clay targets into the air and break each one with an individual shot before any hit the ground on July 6, 2005, using a Winchester Super X-2. Flanigan's testing showed that not only was the Winchester Super X-2 the world's fastest cycling shotgun, but even the Browning A-5 handily out-cycled the Benelli. Cycle time is hardly a factor in the field, but fast recovery from recoil for the next bird certainly can be."

Beats me, dont own a Winchester Super X-2, I own a Benelli M1 Super 90 for over 10 years now. It's freaking fast, you can bump fire it.

If the Winchester is faster, it can't be no more than by milliseconds. I'll stick to my Benelli regardless.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 6:29:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 6:31:08 PM EDT by Face_N_The_Crowd]
You need to qualify the question:

A) What is the fastest shotgun - Mechanically

B) What is the fastest shotgun in practical use - ability to hit a target, absorb recoil, acquire next target, hit next target

The answer to A is who cares that happens in a lab.

The answer to B is largely dependent on you.

The most important is what is reliable.

I have pumps, tweeked 1100, M1 S90

Scientific type testing aside - of my inventory the M1 S90 is fastest - by a hair mechanically.

In actual use I am a hair faster with the heavy weight gas gun.

When I say hair - I am talking 0/100's difference in splits.

Ergonomics and personal pref will make a much bigger diff in use
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 6:32:57 PM EDT
I think I'm going to settle with the M1 super 90

What are the necessary upgrades for these guns?

I want it to SCREAM
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:16:52 PM EDT
There was an article from USPSA's FRONT SIGHT magazine floating around the net a few years ago that compared the speed of several scatter guns.

OK I found it Here it is

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:22:37 PM EDT
Winchester X2! Five shots in .51 seconds. Just bought one and am waiting for it to show up. I have read on Brian Enos forums that some of the guys shooting the Benellis have actually shot them too fast for them to fire as the bolt goes forward. Not sure exactly sure how it happens.

Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:41:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dustdevil21:
Winchester X2! Five shots in .51 seconds. Just bought one and am waiting for it to show up. I have read on Brian Enos forums that some of the guys shooting the Benellis have actually shot them too fast for them to fire as the bolt goes forward. Not sure exactly sure how it happens.




Thats called overshooting.

If you have a 1919a4 you'll understand.

Link Posted: 3/30/2006 5:01:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ggllggll:
I think I'm going to settle with the M1 super 90

What are the necessary upgrades for these guns?



The best upgrades are:

1) Practice
2) Practice
3) Practice

Otherwise, my 1100 will *still* be faster.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 5:04:04 AM EDT
all of them are faster than I can shoot accurately
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 2:48:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/30/2006 3:01:18 PM EDT by Homeinvader]
Stock benellis are not mechanically capable of anything faster than .13 second resets.

Lightening the bolt as shown is a good mod that can speed up reset time, reduce felt recoil and enable your Benelli to cycle lighter loads more reliably...

Link Posted: 3/30/2006 2:58:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Homeinvader:
Stock benellis are not mechanically capable of anything faster than .13 second resets. That can be improved a little by lightening the bolt, which also allows it to cycle lighter loads reliably.



Is this an upgrade you can buy? Do you have instructions if you have to DIY?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:13:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ggllggll:

Is this an upgrade you can buy? Do you have instructions if you have to DIY?



You can have it done to you own bolt, but I don't know anyone that sells them as is. Benelli bolts are very expensive as spare parts, this would be cost prohibitive as a stand alone part.

It's just the milling away of 2-3 ounces from the ejection side of the bolt. If you can do that, you can do this.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 8:27:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Saiga 12 hands down.

+ 1
and is faster to reload 9 shell sagia 12.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:42:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By okguy91:

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Saiga 12 hands down.

+ 1
and is faster to reload 9 shell sagia 12.



How fast can you shoot it?



*not me, but it is my gun.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 12:01:13 PM EDT
Cool, is that a SBS?

It would be neat if it was auto
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 12:19:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ggllggll:
Cool, is that a SBS?

It would be neat if it was auto



Yes, 12.5" bbl Tromix conversion.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:35:55 PM EDT
Remington 1100 is faster and more controllable
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:15:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 1:15:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Saiga 12 hands down.



+1
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 1:32:36 PM EDT
Another vote for Saiga href=www.toiminta-ampujat.net/picture_library/videot/PJ_saiga_01.mpg

www.toiminta-ampujat.net/picture_library/PJ_saiga_02.mpg
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 1:53:32 PM EDT
Another + 1 for the Saiga

It will be the fastest as it is detachable magazine fed.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 2:19:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bimex:
Another vote for Saiga

www.toiminta-ampujat.net/picture_library/videot/PJ_saiga_01.mpg

www.toiminta-ampujat.net/picture_library/PJ_saiga_02.mpg





is that bumping or aimed shots?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 2:28:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 2:29:18 PM EDT by bimex]

Originally Posted By ggllggll:

is that bumping or aimed shots?



Not bumping (not me shooting), but probably not very good hit factor either
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 6:59:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bimex:

Originally Posted By ggllggll:

is that bumping or aimed shots?



Not bumping (not me shooting), but probably not very good hit factor either



It's speed shotgun.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:35:49 PM EDT
Matt, if you have a newer M1 S90 I can show you how to modify it to hold an extra round on the feed gate. I just did mine about a week ago.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 9:40:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/7/2006 11:19:22 AM EDT by firefighter1241]
picture is from link below

http://www.backwoodshome.net/pdf/ayoob97.pdf#search='marcus%20kranz'


http://www.hunt101.com/img/393761.jpg

With powerful guns, size matters. At 410 pounds, security man Marcus Kranz holds Benelli auto shotgun on target as he nails it with five rounds of full power 12 gauge buckshot in 69/100ths of one second at 7 yards. Note 3 spent shells circled, in mid-air.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 10:06:13 AM EDT
Fastest? The one you've trained with.

ba/uu/r



.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 2:16:11 PM EDT
Good article on "speed shotgun"

I've known that my whole shooting life. That's why I own three 1100s and zero Benellis

The 1100 is the better gun if you know how to work around it's few quirks. It's faster ; it points more naturally and it's shot to shot recovery is better than any other semiauto shotgun ever made. Period.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 2:20:20 PM EDT
Tom Knapp may have shot eight hand thrown clay pigeons with a Benelli, but Matt Dryke did
seven, using an 870 in which he had to pump, release trigger completely to reset and pull again for each shot.

Knapp could have gotten 9 to 10 with an 1100, not because of cycling, but the Remington stays on target better than any of the alloy framed Italian field autos

The fastest gun of all is the pump action Winchester Model 12. It is limited by the shooter's ability.

All the other semi autos have about the same cyclic rate as a Grease Gun
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 4:57:53 PM EDT

not me, but it is my gun.


Damn that's a sexy dude.......
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 7:56:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By firefighter1241:
picture is from link below

http://www.backwoodshome.net/pdf/ayoob97.pdf#search='marcus%20kranz'


www.hunt101.com/img/393761.jpg

With powerful guns, size matters. At 410 pounds, security man Marcus Kranz holds Benelli auto shotgun on target as he nails it with five rounds of full power 12 gauge buckshot in 69/100ths of one second at 7 yards. Note 3 spent shells circled, in mid-air.



Sorry, but a guy who weighs 410 pounds is not someone I'd want working security...
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 9:49:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Homeinvader:
Sorry, but a guy who weighs 410 pounds is not someone I'd want working security...



You cant out-run a bullet
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 10:03:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Homeinvader:

Originally Posted By firefighter1241:
picture is from link below

http://www.backwoodshome.net/pdf/ayoob97.pdf#search='marcus%20kranz'


www.hunt101.com/img/393761.jpg</a>

With powerful guns, size matters. At 410 pounds, security man Marcus Kranz holds Benelli auto shotgun on target as he nails it with five rounds of full power 12 gauge buckshot in 69/100ths of one second at 7 yards. Note 3 spent shells circled, in mid-air.



Sorry, but a guy who weighs 410 pounds is not someone I'd want working security...



Depends on what you're trying to secure.
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 4:07:02 AM EDT
I dunno yet, but I'll get back to you when the paper clears.


Link Posted: 4/8/2006 1:26:02 PM EDT

Sorry, but a guy who weighs 410 pounds is not someone I'd want working security...


So tell me, when was the last time you picked a fight with someone that big?
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 1:36:29 PM EDT
I am a fan of the 1014 (benelli i guess)
I worked as a "breecher" and got to put quite a few through mine.
This is 7 rounds and a reload - fast if I may say so myself.
7 +1
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