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Posted: 10/30/2003 8:12:25 PM EDT
Just picked up another M1 super 90 that has the HK import markings. Serial number is M1965xx
Anyone know if this is pre ban? If so, would that new collapsible stock Benelli has fit/legal? Just looking to do something different with it.
Thanks!
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 7:38:43 AM EDT
As with ar15s, the shotgun would have to have been in a pre-ban configuration before the ban took place. If it has the pistol grip stock and a magazine that holds more than 5 rounds then you should be good to go.
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 9:14:44 AM EDT
Thanks, my only confusion is that I know I can get a preban AR15 receiver with like an A2 buttstock, build up a pre ban configuration and switch out the stock for a Tele' style. The guy I got it from said it came with a pistol grip style, but he lives in the Socialist Repulic of Kalifornia and switched it out for a regular stlye stock. Damn laws!
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 11:17:50 AM EDT
Ahhh. Now I see your predicament.

The best advice I can give then is that if HK did the importing they should be able to tell you when it was imported and in what configuration. As with an AR, if it was legal when the ban passed in 94 then it is still legal today even if the configuration changed in between.
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 1:57:29 PM EDT
Thanks again Hoplophile, I guess HK is my best bet on this.
But am I understanding you correctly? I know any "evil black rifle" assembled before the ban no matter how it was set up can have all the goodies whether it had them to begin with or added later...just as long as it was a complete rifle before hand.
But are you saying that a semiauto shotgun even pre ban has to have had the pistol grip stock on it before the ban to be legal and can not be added after the fact even if imported before '94?
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 9:25:42 PM EDT
An AR -cannot- have all the cool parts unless it had them before the ban was enacted. No matter when it was manufactured, if it was originally setup as a target rifle with the pistol grip as the only feature then it is not a grandfathered weapon. ATF would have to prove in court that it was never assembled as an assault weapon before the ban, and that is difficult enough to be almost impossible with an AR but may be easier with a Benelli.
Link Posted: 10/31/2003 9:38:19 PM EDT
Gotcha! thanks again
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 12:24:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:
An AR -cannot- have all the cool parts unless it had them before the ban was enacted. No matter when it was manufactured, if it was originally setup as a target rifle with the pistol grip as the only feature then it is not a grandfathered weapon. ATF would have to prove in court that it was never assembled as an assault weapon before the ban, and that is difficult enough to be almost impossible with an AR but may be easier with a Benelli.



Actually you have the burden of proof backwards.

It would be up to the accused to prove that the firearm in question was grandfathered (by having been in an 'assault weapon configuration') if there ever were charges brought.

Supposedly, the bATFe has even come to the interpretation that if a weapon changes hands in a 'non-assault weapon' configuration it is no longer a grandfathered assault weapon.
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 12:25:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 10:14:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Silence:
Actually you have the burden of proof backwards.

It would be up to the accused to prove that the firearm in question was grandfathered (by having been in an 'assault weapon configuration') if there ever were charges brought.

You're right. I forgot that innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply any more.
Link Posted: 11/1/2003 12:23:51 PM EDT
Pre ban...Post ban, I think if they want you bad enough they will find a way to do it. Sickens me to no end.
Thanks to all who replied.
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