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Posted: 10/18/2003 2:38:05 PM EDT
I don't like slugs. Far too much risk of over-penetration in a home defense situation. Besides, for single projectile aimed fire I would much prefer one of my rifles. I prefer to think of my 18" 870 as a specialized weapon: 10-12 yards max effective range, for facing no more than 2 aggressors. I know most prefer 00 buck. From what I have tried, I like #1 buck. 16 .30 cal pellets as opposed to 9 .33 cal pellets from 00. For my specified use, why would one prefer 00?
Link Posted: 10/18/2003 4:21:39 PM EDT
12 gauge 3" mag #4 buck 41 pellets. MIKE.
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Link Posted: 10/18/2003 5:24:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mike103:
12 gauge 3" mag #4 buck 41 pellets. MIKE.
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Same #4 buck but I use 2 3/4" for less recoil. I keep side saddle loaded with 4 buck and 2 slugs. You never know.
Link Posted: 10/18/2003 5:35:32 PM EDT
#4 buck 3 inch mag in the gun, 3 slugs in side saddle and 2-#4 buck and 1 bean bag round.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 8:21:41 AM EDT
Federal's tactical 00B
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 8:25:29 AM EDT
I use a load out of 5 Federal Tactical 00 buck and the last shell in the magazine is a Federal Tactical slug.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 2:24:23 PM EDT
Winchester 2 3/4" non magnum standard 16 pellet #1 buck. 16 pellets of .30 cal vs. 9 pellets of .33 cal. of the non magnum 00 buck.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 2:29:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Templar:
Winchester 2 3/4" non magnum standard 16 pellet #1 buck. 16 pellets of .30 cal vs. 9 pellets of .33 cal. of the non magnum 00 buck.



This is the exact load I have chosen. It seems to me to have a distinct advantage over 00 for CQB.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 4:38:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FedGunner:
I use a load out of 5 Federal Tactical 00 buck and the last shell in the magazine is a Federal Tactical slug.



Me too!!!

Followed by 3 buck and 3 slugs in the side saddle.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 4:41:09 PM EDT
Fed 00 Tactical load for buck.

Fed 1oz Foster slugs or Brenneke for those tough to get at targets.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 5:50:52 PM EDT
Federal tactical buck and their slugs too, both in 2 3/4"
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 7:19:21 PM EDT
Anyone know a good source for Federal Tactical buck? Is this the reduced recoil load or which one is? I have read the articles on these rounds I am aware of the trade off in ballistics.
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 7:47:23 PM EDT
Remington tactical (reduced recoil) OO buckshot
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 8:01:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By davidenorth:
Anyone know a good source for Federal Tactical buck? Is this the reduced recoil load or which one is? I have read the articles on these rounds I am aware of the trade off in ballistics.



The Ammoman got what you need!!!
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 8:17:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By davidenorth:
Anyone know a good source for Federal Tactical buck? Is this the reduced recoil load or which one is?

reduced recoil with 9 pellets of plated shot for better patterning.
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 2:44:42 AM EDT
Federal Tactical 00B and Tactical Slugs. Both 2 3/4. Why mess with success.
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 3:11:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/26/2003 8:39:43 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 10/26/2003 4:36:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2003 3:16:15 AM EDT by stony275]
I too use 2 3/4" #1 Buck for my defense load. I selected it in large part based upon the information in the first link that Tweak has in his post above.
I do keep a few rifled slugs in my side saddle in case I'm faced with a situation where I need them.
Link Posted: 10/26/2003 7:47:15 PM EDT
Estate brand reduced recoil 00 buck
Link Posted: 10/28/2003 7:36:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2003 7:37:52 PM EDT by BushMeister]
I read the same article that was referenced above (though I think the poster had a little trouble with his html).


The proper link is:

www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm

I read the same article a few years back, and chose the Federal F127 #1 buck in 2 3/4". Here are the operative paragraphs:

12 Gauge Shotshell Ammunition

For personal defense and law enforcement applications, the International Wound Ballistics Association advocates number 1 buckshot as being superior to all other buckshot sizes.

Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired at typical shotgun engagement distances. A standard 2 ¾-inch 12 gauge shotshell contains 16 pellets of #1 buck. The total combined cross sectional area of the 16 pellets is 1.13 square inches. Compared to the total combined cross sectional area of the nine pellets in a standard #00 (double-aught) buck shotshell (0.77 square inches), the # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma.

In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body.

For home defense applications a standard velocity 2 ¾-inch #1 buck shotshell (16 pellet payload) from Federal, Remington or Winchester is your best choice. We feel the Federal Classic 2 ¾-inch #1 buck load (F127) is slightly better than the same loads offered by Remington and Winchester. The Federal shotshell uses both a plastic shot cup and granulated plastic shot buffer to minimize post-ignition pellet deformation, whereas the Remington and Winchester loads do not.

Link Posted: 10/29/2003 4:05:32 AM EDT
Federal Tactical #000...but I live alone. In a different situation, some WW "Q" load #4 buck...hardned shot, but maybe unavailable anymore, made for the military as well as the US Secret Service...backed up with some #000 and a slug or two.
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