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Posted: 2/3/2006 10:50:36 PM EDT
I know nothing about them. I know Colt made (makes?) one, the Delta Elite, and I know Kimber made an Eclipse in 10mm for a while. Whats involved in making a 10mm 1911, can it be done with a barrel/recoil spring change, or is there more to it than that? Thanks!
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 3:16:05 AM EDT
The 10mm/40 slides are different than the 45 slide. The breechface is smaller on the 10mm, the extractors, I think, are different and the ejector might be different.

Right now Dan Wesson is making 2 different models of 10mm, Kimber still makes one, STI will build one if ordered, as do most of the custom smiths. Or, if you can find one in 40, you can always have it reamed out to fit 10mm and change a few springs. I did this with a 40 STI, it worked great.

Link Posted: 2/4/2006 5:41:47 AM EDT
I know Nighthawk will make 'em, and I believe Wilson will too.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 10:47:37 AM EDT
10mm is known for beating the shit out of 1911s. Of the few I have seen personally, about 75% had wear related problems and/or damage.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 11:23:54 AM EDT
From what I have heard, if it's built correctly (not just factory "assembled"), it's not a problem. At least so say the likes of YoBo etc.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 11:50:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
From what I have heard, if it's built correctly (not just factory "assembled"), it's not a problem. At least so say the likes of YoBo etc.



I agree 100%. A competent smith (doesn't even have to be a great smith) should be able to get one running well without concern for wear.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 11:52:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
10mm is known for beating the shit out of 1911s. Of the few I have seen personally, about 75% had wear related problems and/or damage.



Jason Burton at Yost-Bonitz explained to me that the issue with the Delta Elites is usally poor timing. That leads to battering and cracking and such. If everything is fit correctly, he says it is not an issue.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 3:34:08 PM EDT
I picked up this Para-Ordnance P-16 in 40s&w for just over $400 on an online auction, had the barrel reamed to 10mm, installed an EGR flat-bottom firing pin stop and a 22lb. recoil spring and it has worked flawless with all 10mm I have tried even reloads and Double Tap loads. 17 rounds of 10mm is a lot of fun:



Link Posted: 2/4/2006 4:27:25 PM EDT
Is 10mm more powerful then .45ACP?

Link Posted: 2/4/2006 4:32:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ICEAGE:
Is 10mm more powerful then .45ACP?




YES! Double Tap has some 10mm loads w/ almost 800 ft.-lbs. of muzzle energy compared to a max of about 500 ft.-lbs. for .45acp, it is most certainly more powerful and has a flatter trajectory.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 4:52:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ICEAGE:
Is 10mm more powerful then .45ACP?




10mm generates as much energy at 100 yards as .45ACP does at the muzzle.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 6:04:14 PM EDT
Some 10's are loaded to higher levels than others. Some 10's have .40 S&W level ballistics.

This does give one some flexibility.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:54:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I know Nighthawk will make 'em, and I believe Wilson will too.



Interesting, I might have to pick one up....
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 1:41:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By triburst1:
10mm is known for beating the shit out of 1911s. Of the few I have seen personally, about 75% had wear related problems and/or damage.



Jason Burton at Yost-Bonitz explained to me that the issue with the Delta Elites is usally poor timing. That leads to battering and cracking and such. If everything is fit correctly, he says it is not an issue.



Big +1. Another serious issue causing beat up Deltas is that many Delta owners don't change out their recoil springs enough or at all.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:49:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I know Nighthawk will make 'em, and I believe Wilson will too.



Interesting, I might have to pick one up....




Anyone have any information about this?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:56:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I know Nighthawk will make 'em, and I believe Wilson will too.



Interesting, I might have to pick one up....




Anyone have any information about this?



You'll probably have to call and ask. I'm almost positive Wilson will not build a custom 10mm any more. They may customize one for you, but I doubt they'll build one from the ground up.

Nighthawk as I understand it, will do whatever you want.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:01:33 PM EDT
Wilson still does custom work to order, on their frames and on other frames. I can't imagine why they would refuse a 10mm.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 4:39:29 PM EDT
Here's a pic of a NH 10mm I picked up off of 1911forum...


Link Posted: 2/7/2006 5:31:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Wilson still does custom work to order, on their frames and on other frames. I can't imagine why they would refuse a 10mm.



I hope you're right, but they dumped the 10mm mags a loooonnngg time ago and shown no interest what so ever in doing anything 10mm related.

No surprise I'm sure, the Wilson 10mm mags were the best available. I'd buy some today if I could find them.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 8:52:04 PM EDT
drew5337: There is also a slight difference in the frame. I don't know if this is on all later 1911-10mm guns, but initially Colt had a bunch of cracked frame in the slide stop hole. The newer Colt 10mm 1911s have the little piece of metal above the slide stop hole machined away and this remedied the problem of the frame cracking.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 6:54:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/8/2006 6:55:26 AM EDT by Shades6721]

Originally Posted By warlord:
...initially Colt had a bunch of cracked frame in the slide stop hole. The newer Colt 10mm 1911s have the little piece of metal above the slide stop hole machined away and this remedied the problem of the frame cracking.




To my knowledge (which is admittedly very limited), the frame cracking issue occurred in only a handful of pre-production Colt 10s and was not a problem in any of the subsequent production runs of Delta Elites.

A few months ago (after catching the 10mm bug), I was looking into Deltas and read a few threads regarding the frame cracking issues. I was assured (by a few knowledgeable Delta "specialists") that it wasn't as widespread as the rumors make it out to be. Now that I have purchased one (now being customized by Yost-Bonitz headbang.gif), I am hoping that they were telling the truth!
Link Posted: 2/13/2006 6:27:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By watertower:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I know Nighthawk will make 'em, and I believe Wilson will too.



Interesting, I might have to pick one up....




Anyone have any information about this?



You'll probably have to call and ask. I'm almost positive Wilson will not build a custom 10mm any more. They may customize one for you, but I doubt they'll build one from the ground up.

Nighthawk as I understand it, will do whatever you want.



Not true. I just got this email from Larry Lyles at Wilson. I asked about getting a CQB with NO forward cockers in 10mm. Here's his reply (which I got 5 minutes ago)

"Rich,

We can do the CQB in 10mm, I could order without front cocking serrations, but it would be a very long wait, we have to get enough orders in to machine out several slides at one time.

Just let me know if I can assist.

Thanks
Larry"

Link Posted: 2/13/2006 8:11:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Trumpet:

Originally Posted By watertower:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I know Nighthawk will make 'em, and I believe Wilson will too.



Interesting, I might have to pick one up....




Anyone have any information about this?



You'll probably have to call and ask. I'm almost positive Wilson will not build a custom 10mm any more. They may customize one for you, but I doubt they'll build one from the ground up.

Nighthawk as I understand it, will do whatever you want.



Not true. I just got this email from Larry Lyles at Wilson. I asked about getting a CQB with NO forward cockers in 10mm. Here's his reply (which I got 5 minutes ago)

"Rich,

We can do the CQB in 10mm, I could order without front cocking serrations, but it would be a very long wait, we have to get enough orders in to machine out several slides at one time.

Just let me know if I can assist.

Thanks
Larry"





Wrong I am. That's good news! Thanks for posting the response from Wilson.
Link Posted: 2/13/2006 8:20:24 AM EDT
Im not going to post whore my 10mms, as Im sure everyone has seen or is sick of seeing them

so Im tagging because I dig the 10mm

FWIW Dan Wesson/CZ makes a might fine 10mm GB has them in the 800-1000 range... If I had a semi custom built I would have NH build it.
Link Posted: 2/13/2006 8:48:46 AM EDT
I was in the market for a 10mm 1911 about a year and half ago. Looked at dan wesson, but couldn't get one. Looked at kimber and then nighthawk. By the time i bought a kimber and had it upgraded to my preferences I would be spending a few buck, so I decided to take a closer look at NH. I as almost sold until I was a picture of Ted Yosts personal 10mm. I was sold and decided to have the boys yb just build me a custom just the way I wanted it. caspian frame with a delta slide. i'll let you know when i get it.
Link Posted: 2/13/2006 2:19:49 PM EDT
.....man, getting all sorts of crazy info today. I just found out that NH will NOT do a 10mm. I guess they used to, but won't anymore.
Link Posted: 2/13/2006 5:52:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By biga_mn:
I was in the market for a 10mm 1911 about a year and half ago. Looked at dan wesson, but couldn't get one. Looked at kimber and then nighthawk. By the time i bought a kimber and had it upgraded to my preferences I would be spending a few buck, so I decided to take a closer look at NH. I as almost sold until I was a picture of Ted Yosts personal 10mm. I was sold and decided to have the boys yb just build me a custom just the way I wanted it. caspian frame with a delta slide. i'll let you know when i get it.



Lucky bastage!!!! Post pics when it comes!
Link Posted: 2/13/2006 9:35:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2006 4:50:34 PM EDT by Illinigunner21]

Originally Posted By Trumpet:

Originally Posted By watertower:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I know Nighthawk will make 'em, and I believe Wilson will too.



Interesting, I might have to pick one up....




Anyone have any information about this?



You'll probably have to call and ask. I'm almost positive Wilson will not build a custom 10mm any more. They may customize one for you, but I doubt they'll build one from the ground up.

Nighthawk as I understand it, will do whatever you want.



Not true. I just got this email from Larry Lyles at Wilson. I asked about getting a CQB with NO forward cockers in 10mm. Here's his reply (which I got 5 minutes ago)

"Rich,

We can do the CQB in 10mm, I could order without front cocking serrations, but it would be a very long wait, we have to get enough orders in to machine out several slides at one time.

Just let me know if I can assist.

Thanks
Larry"




One word... GROUPBUY!!!

ETA: Me posting things where they belong.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 3:00:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Trumpet:

Originally Posted By watertower:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I know Nighthawk will make 'em, and I believe Wilson will too.



Interesting, I might have to pick one up....




Anyone have any information about this?



You'll probably have to call and ask. I'm almost positive Wilson will not build a custom 10mm any more. They may customize one for you, but I doubt they'll build one from the ground up.

Nighthawk as I understand it, will do whatever you want.




One word... GROUPBUY!!!

Not true. I just got this email from Larry Lyles at Wilson. I asked about getting a CQB with NO forward cockers in 10mm. Here's his reply (which I got 5 minutes ago)

"Rich,

We can do the CQB in 10mm, I could order without front cocking serrations, but it would be a very long wait, we have to get enough orders in to machine out several slides at one time.

Just let me know if I can assist.

Thanks
Larry"





That would be a very dangerous....yet awesome......thing. [homer]Mmmmmmmmm Wilson CQB 10mm no forward cockers group buy....Mmmmmmmmmmmm[/homer]
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 5:03:10 AM EDT
The best dedicated forum for the subject of 10mm is 10mm Talk.com, or the 10mm forum at Glock Talk.
Link Posted: 2/26/2006 6:18:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Trumpet:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Trumpet:

Originally Posted By watertower:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I know Nighthawk will make 'em, and I believe Wilson will too.



Interesting, I might have to pick one up....




Anyone have any information about this?



You'll probably have to call and ask. I'm almost positive Wilson will not build a custom 10mm any more. They may customize one for you, but I doubt they'll build one from the ground up.

Nighthawk as I understand it, will do whatever you want.




One word... GROUPBUY!!!

Not true. I just got this email from Larry Lyles at Wilson. I asked about getting a CQB with NO forward cockers in 10mm. Here's his reply (which I got 5 minutes ago)

"Rich,

We can do the CQB in 10mm, I could order without front cocking serrations, but it would be a very long wait, we have to get enough orders in to machine out several slides at one time.

Just let me know if I can assist.

Thanks
Larry"





That would be a very dangerous....yet awesome......thing. [homer]Mmmmmmmmm Wilson CQB 10mm no forward cockers group buy....Mmmmmmmmmmmm[/homer]



Which reminds me.....paging MT_Pockets....paging MT_Pockets....
Link Posted: 2/26/2006 12:37:24 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/9/2006 9:40:26 AM EDT
I read on 1911forums that SA would custom build a Professional Model in 10mm. I e-mailed them to verify this and here is her response

Thank you for your interest in Springfield Custom handguns! You can have a full custom pistol built through the custom shop in 10mm with the features of the Professional. It would not be marked “Professional” on the slide or have the “CRG” prefix to the serial number, but could have all of the other specifications. Cost for a custom pistol with the features of the Professional light rail in 10mm, with Heinie sights would be $2595. Estimated delivery on this type of custom pistol order would be approx. 8 months from the date the order, deposit, and dealer’s FFL are received in our office.

woohoo. i have placed the order and sent them the deposit(1/3). this is a viable option for those of you considering or waiting for the wilson in 10mm and it is cheaper than the custom route. i have a couple of the professionals in .45 and I love them. this is so cool. she is going to send me the build/spec sheet. i'll post that when i get it.

have fun
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 8:30:07 AM EDT
biga_mn: Wow, $2,600 is some serious bucks for a gun, and 8 months delivery time?

In the mean time, if you don't already, I would learn to reload. 10mm ammo is not the most widely available, ie not around the corner gunstore. Get some cases from www.starlinebrass.com/, they used to based in Santa Fe Spring Calif(15 miles SE of Los Angeles) before moving to MO. Good prices. Or if you don't want cases from Starline, get Win, Rem etc. And of course 40cal bullets.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 10:40:19 AM EDT
From everywhere I've read on the net from very qualified smiths...when you get a $2500 gun from Springfield, you pretty much get $2500 worth of gun, and that says a lot to me. Their custom shop is a real custom shop, with real smiths...it's not just labeled "custom shop" with a group of angry beavers doing the work; it's a real honest-to-goodness gunsmith shop.

biga_mn, you will let me fondle the toy when it comes around, right? Now I'm tempted to order one from 'em...

Hrm...tempting tempting tempting...
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:09:16 AM EDT
$2600 with an 8 month wait is pretty good for a custom. I am on a 5 year waiting list with one smith. $2600 is very reasonable, especially when compared to a few of my other custom projects. They started at $2000 on a pistol/frame/slide I provided. I am very happy with the product the custom shop puts out. As I've said--the Professional is my favorite "production" 1911. If you want to spend less money, I'll bet they'll build you a MC Operator in 10mm.

ed--of course. bring lots of ammo.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:50:59 PM EDT
I've had a Thompson(auto-ordinance) 10 mil like from when it first came out!!

It came with combat hammer,wrap around rubber(thompson inlay )and I loved to shoot full power 200 grain bullets from it! You could buy them or 10.00 a box!!!

I bought an Oly Nat match .40 &W barrel ,and recoil spring for it!

I also bought a Colt barrell,new ejector,and slide just encase I wanted to go to 45 acp!!

Just how versitile is this platform?

Bob
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:56:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2006 6:57:39 AM EDT by warlord]
biga_mn: Forgot to mention, when you get your new toy at the end of 8 months or so, I hope that delivery date won't slip, but who knows; be sure to post some pictures. I would love to see the end-result

Also regarding the prices, I haven't bought a gun in a number of years, and they have all gone up substantially, so my idea of gun prices is way out of date.

OT/BTW: This guy who I just met once(a friend of a friend), ordered one of those rifles similar to the one Tom Selleck used in the 1990 movie Quigley Down Under, but according to my friend his was a 45-90, this one was to be in 45-120; with an octagonal barrel and extra fancy burl walnut stock. Initially, the shop quoted 1/3 down of $2,100 and delivery in 12 months. At the end of 3 years from date of order, it was finally delivered. I'm reasonably sure today, he could easily sell it for $5,000.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 11:09:16 AM EDT
I found a kimber exlise custom II in 10mm sitting in a gun store, I bought it over a target kimber in 10mm they had right beside it.

I won't get a chance to go shoot until tuesday it looks like, darn I miss living in the country.

Anyway, as far as magazines go there is a company called metalform and there was a group buy on another site that I read about. If you order enough magazines the prices get pretty reasonable and I think that is the company I am going to deal with. I am still reading up on what works best for these guns but metalform seems very well respected so that is why I decided to mention them.

As far as converting a 40s&w 1911 to 10mm I recall reading that some of the 40s&w guns are easily changed over as already mentioned. However, I also recall reading that some are build on a smallish frame and because of this they can not be converted to 10mm due to the 10mm round being too long. As I recall this is easily checked by trying to insert a normal 10mm magazine into the gun.

I am pretty new to the 1911s, I owned a cheapy a while back and liked the design but did not like the cheapy gun I bought. I knew I wanted a 10mm factory 1911 and now I have one.

Link Posted: 3/11/2006 1:16:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By biere:
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As far as converting a 40s&w 1911 to 10mm I recall reading that some of the 40s&w guns are easily changed over as already mentioned. However, I also recall reading that some are build on a smallish frame and because of this they can not be converted to 10mm due to the 10mm round being too long. As I recall this is easily checked by trying to insert a normal 10mm magazine into the gun.

I am pretty new to the 1911s, I owned a cheapy a while back and liked the design but did not like the cheapy gun I bought. I knew I wanted a 10mm factory 1911 and now I have one.


If you already have a 40S&W 1911, you are 2/3ds of the way there to convert to 10mm or vica versa, the reason being is that the 9mm Para & 10mm Auto/40S&W has the small breach face. Some of the S&W autos are too small in the mag well area to accomodete the longer 10mm round, so S&W & Winchester brought out the 40S&W.

Nothing wrong with the inexpensive guns, they just don't look as nice, but I bet they would shoot practically the same.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 7:52:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By warlord:
biga_mn: Wow, $2,600 is some serious bucks for a gun, and 8 months delivery time?

In the mean time, if you don't already, I would learn to reload. 10mm ammo is not the most widely available, ie not around the corner gunstore. Get some cases from www.starlinebrass.com/, they used to based in Santa Fe Spring Calif(15 miles SE of Los Angeles) before moving to MO. Good prices. Or if you don't want cases from Starline, get Win, Rem etc. And of course 40cal bullets.



Or just go to www.doubletapammo.com for the full power stuff that the 10mm was MADE to digest!
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 10:26:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By watertower:
No surprise I'm sure, the Wilson 10mm mags were the best available. I'd buy some today if I could find them.



I called Wilson about 2 weeks ago. They told me to call back in 30 days and they'd have the 10mm mags available.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 6:51:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tenmikemike:

Originally Posted By warlord:
biga_mn: Wow, $2,600 is some serious bucks for a gun, and 8 months delivery time?

In the mean time, if you don't already, I would learn to reload. 10mm ammo is not the most widely available, ie not around the corner gunstore. Get some cases from www.starlinebrass.com/, they used to based in Santa Fe Spring Calif(15 miles SE of Los Angeles) before moving to MO. Good prices. Or if you don't want cases from Starline, get Win, Rem etc. And of course 40cal bullets.



Or just go to www.doubletapammo.com for the full power stuff that the 10mm was MADE to digest!


Yeah, I've heard that stuff is pretty good, but I have never shot that ammo personally.

I reload 10mm rounds and the low is $3.50/50 rounds with lead bullets, and very roughly doubled that for jacketed rounds. Because the main cost of a loaded round is in the bullet, you can load target loads to some real chest thumping hunting loads for practically the same cost, the cost of powder is neglible.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 1:17:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Justin03R6:

Originally Posted By watertower:
No surprise I'm sure, the Wilson 10mm mags were the best available. I'd buy some today if I could find them.



I called Wilson about 2 weeks ago. They told me to call back in 30 days and they'd have the 10mm mags available.



Thanks for the info. I hadn't gotten around to calling them yet.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 5:19:19 PM EDT
This is probably the badest 10mm 1911 ever built.

louderthanwords.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2935
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 6:03:39 PM EDT
I'm kinda partial to this one myself....wish it were mine...


Link Posted: 3/17/2006 10:41:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OneOfThosePeople:
This is probably the badest 10mm 1911 ever built.

louderthanwords.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2935
www.louderthanwords.us/mediumfoto/picts/ulfls/2604105/20916271792.jpg



I think Stokes owns that now....
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