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Posted: 2/2/2006 7:00:13 AM EDT
I am looking to buy either pistol, the only bitch I have heard is these things are just ammo specific bastards. Is there any truth to that. What I am asking is what is the best target ammo to use, I dont want to buy HP's to shoot paper. Thanks in advance for any help.

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Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:30:57 AM EDT
My CQB eats anything I load into it with zero issues. I have never owned a Nighthawk only handled a few, but they look/feel the same as any CQB to me. I consider that to a good thing.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:34:28 AM EDT
I was able to heft a GRP at the fun store late last year.

I came away wondering what I'd have to do to buy one. It was nice. It was tight. It was beautiful.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:44:03 AM EDT
Neither one should be finicky with ammo. Tight chambers may be a little rough with reloads, but any factory load should be fine with either gun. Personally, I like the Nighthawk. I'm not enamored of Wilson's safeties (either grip or thumb) and the finish on the GRP is clearly superior. The new ceramic based finishes coming out are unbelieveably tough.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 12:43:44 PM EDT
American Eagle 230gr. FMJ runs fine through my CQB ($229 / 1K including shipping at ammoman).
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:44:07 PM EDT
The only ammunition my CQB does't reliably work with is Blazer aluminum.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 6:19:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By f2:
American Eagle 230gr. FMJ runs fine through my CQB ($229 / 1K including shipping at ammoman).



Natchez has American Eagle 230gr. FMJ for $177.80/1000 + shipping
Costs me about $200 per case delivered to Florida

(Offer not valid in Tennessee, Georgia or Alabama)

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 6:21:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rhinodoc:
The only ammunition my CQB does't reliably work with is Blazer aluminum.



Thats wierd, mine eats it like Candy.

Hell, I have even shot classes with Blazer.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 6:24:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DocGun:

Originally Posted By f2:
American Eagle 230gr. FMJ runs fine through my CQB ($229 / 1K including shipping at ammoman).



Natchez has American Eagle 230gr. FMJ for $177.80/1000 + shipping
Costs me about $200 per case delivered to Florida

(Offer not valid in Tennessee, Georgia or Alabama)



Yup, I alternate my AA ball ammo purchases between Natchez and ammoman.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:19:05 AM EDT
You should also take a look at the Les Bear and RRA 1911s in the same price range.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 9:14:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
My CQB eats anything I load into it with zero issues. I have never owned a Nighthawk only handled a few, but they look/feel the same as any CQB to me. I consider that to a good thing.

+1, But to add, I do not see the additional $250 for the GRP over the CQB(prices around here anyway). The Nighthawk pistols are indeed nice, but I wouldn't pay more for one than I would the comparable Wilson.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:09:40 AM EDT
I have a Nighthawk GRP Recon and I love it. I haven't had any problems to speak of so far. It hasn't had any trouble with Blazer Brass, Gold Dots, Winchester, and some match semi-wadcutter of a manufacturer that I forget. Of course, I haven't handled a Wilson CQB, so YMMV.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:38:20 AM EDT
it's crap AFAIK. There are a few manufacturers that allegedly crimp ammo out of spec enough to be unreliable, Blazer was one of them. I believe Wilson has a FAQ to this effect. Otherwise a sales rep would be glad to give you the notorious brands and their numerical findings.

I have a CQB compact I just bought. I took it out to the range and fired 350 rounds without a hiccup (Winchester White box). I have had "officer's sized" pistols require a break-in, or lose reliability after 100-150 rounds. This thing is a jackhammer. Buy with confidence.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:10:17 PM EDT
What's crap, Blazer? I've never had any trouble with Blazer Brass.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:28:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GoingIncognito:
What's crap, Blazer? I've never had any trouble with Blazer Brass.



"What's crap" is the rumor that WC pistols are particularly finicky. They stated that Blazer was not recommended because a noticable amount sampled was out of spec. I don't use Blazer, so I can't comment further.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:31:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pulpsmack:

Originally Posted By GoingIncognito:
What's crap, Blazer? I've never had any trouble with Blazer Brass.



"What's crap" is the rumor that WC pistols are particularly finicky. They stated that Blazer was not recommended because a noticable amount sampled was out of spec. I don't use Blazer, so I can't comment further.



Ah, alright. As I said, I haven't had any problems with Blazer. It's accurate enough for practice, but I wouldn't use it in an official match or anything. It's not even particularly dirty.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:50:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
My CQB eats anything I load into it with zero issues. I have never owned a Nighthawk only handled a few, but they look/feel the same as any CQB to me. I consider that to a good thing.

+1, But to add, I do not see the additional $250 for the GRP over the CQB(prices around here anyway). The Nighthawk pistols are indeed nice, but I wouldn't pay more for one than I would the comparable Wilson.



When I asked about comparison at the shot show, the NH rep told me this:

Nighthawk uses a better finish coating that is 4 times tougher than WC's, comes with custom VZ grips and night sights. That may attribute to the higher price.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:57:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/12/2006 6:58:34 PM EDT by Va_Dinger]

Originally Posted By Hotwheels76:
When I asked about comparison at the shot show, the NH rep told me this:

Nighthawk uses a better finish coating that is 4 times tougher than WC's, comes with custom VZ grips and night sights. That may attribute to the higher price.



The only thing I read that’s worth a few extra dollars to me is the true Novak night sights, although I never had a problem with the Wilson copies. The trit was nice & bright and the sight picture is identical to a set of Novak’s. I have never placed much faith in manufacturer claims on finishes. The truth is that if you shoot the gun enough they all end up looking the same to me.
Link Posted: 2/13/2006 5:42:35 AM EDT
The GRP is using a ceramic based coating and the WC uses some sort of polymer coating. Ceramic is the next big thing in gun finishes. It has yet to be proven that new equals better, stronger or more durable in this case, but there is a material difference.
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