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Posted: 1/14/2006 3:10:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 3:11:52 PM EDT by Fister]
Im not opposed to starting out low and modifying myself but need to decide what to start with.

I am looking for real facts NOT flames.

This will be more than likely turned into a race gun type so it will need to undergo a lot of torment

We'll start with the LLama.

I am also not opposed to building from a completed frame up.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 4:02:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 4:03:51 PM EDT by TBoneDetroit]
Screw the Lama. Get a Springfield Armory USGI or Mil Spec. Quality frame and slide to start your build from. Plus, a decent pistol to hit the range with until you get into the building process.

$.02

T Bone (Detroit).
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 4:12:06 PM EDT
yep , Id getr a springfield mil-spec.
cherck shotgun news. look in the LCW ad, and mil-specs are under 400.oo
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 4:26:07 PM EDT
What about the Rock Islands?

S.A.M.'s etc I would really like to cover most all of them.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 4:31:24 PM EDT
Springfield Milspec.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 4:32:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 4:33:26 PM EDT by Fister]
Ok guys this is great but WHY?

What sets them apart from the RIA and others? Aside from the name
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 4:40:01 PM EDT
Springfield Armory.

Forged, not cast junk from the Phillipines, like RIA/CharlesDalye/Armscor.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 4:58:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 4:59:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 5:02:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 5:10:21 PM EDT
Springer GI, aboslutely no questions.

It's forged.
It has an excellent fit and machining job.
It doesn't take odd ball parts that don't fit any other pistols. (Llama)
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 5:32:45 PM EDT
Just got my RIA back from my local smith, he had no trouble putting on an ambi-safety.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 6:13:23 PM EDT
Thats better than a basic kimber or colt?

Not opposed to used price range either. But dont want to start with a handfull of MIM and Cast parts either.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 6:22:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TBoneDetroit:
Screw the Lama. Get a Springfield Armory USGI or Mil Spec. Quality frame and slide to start your build from. Plus, a decent pistol to hit the range with until you get into the building process.

$.02

T Bone (Detroit).



ditto
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 6:33:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 6:36:41 PM EDT by WolfFox]
I getting ready to purchase the new Springfield XD .45 ACP. The XD's are very reliable, accurate guns. I own the XD9 and XD40 sub compact. Excellent guns!
Edited: I also have a Springfield compact light weight .45 ACP which is an excellent gun too. Springfield’s customer service is one of the best.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 6:35:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WolfFox:
I getting ready to purchase the new Springfield XD .45 ACP. The XD's are very reliable, accurate guns. I own the XD9 and XD40 sub compact. Excellent guns!


Haven't range tested it yet but it may be true
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 6:37:10 PM EDT
LLama's are POS and they are not 1911s they new RIAs dont "look" to bad actually they look pretty decent but I dont know to much about them other than looking ta one through the glass. Id go with the springfield
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 6:54:30 PM EDT
I used to get Norinco 1911's for under $275 and for the money I thought they were spectacular. The metal is hard, they fed everything, parts were interchangeable, moderate accuracy. Wish I had bought a dozen of them. If your budget is tight, pick one up if you can find one. Over $300 and there are other good choices.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 8:42:11 PM EDT
I will concur with the NORINCO selection. I have two that cost me $350 each. The accuracy is better than moderate IMO, at least it is with my 2 specimens. I have no experience with RIA, but I can tell you right now that you would make a huge mistake by getting a C. DALY. I finally worked out the problems with mine, but only after a lot of trial, file and dremmel tool work. It is alot of frustration that should not be part of a new gun. If you decide that new is the way you want to go then get the Springfield.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:19:39 PM EDT
Find a used Kimber Series 1. Check pawn shops.

They can be had around 450 - 500, if you get lucky.

Excellent barrel, frame and slide.

Will have MIM parts to change out. But I think you are going to have a phenomenal base to start with.

The fit of the Kimber major components will be better than any other std pistol (Colt, Springfield, etc.)
out of the box.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:38:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 1:05:10 PM EDT by SGB]
My vote is for a used Glock 21 or a used Sig 220. These can easily be had for $400 leaving some money for ammo and mags.

Although the idea of a Kimber series I under $500 sounds nice, it is a pipe dream.



PLEASE remember what forum you are posting in. THIS IS NOT THE GENERAL DISCUSSIONS FORUM. Thank you.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:55:02 PM EDT
SA mil-spec

Link Posted: 1/14/2006 10:04:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Fister:

We'll start with the LLama.




Llamas are not 1911s



+1
there is a local guy around here that deosn nothing but 1911 work and sets up at the local gun shows to do onsight trigger jobs and smallparts swaping etc. he has s sign that he sets up on his table thats say " i willwork on any 1911, colt, springfeild etc, but i will not (so dont bother asking) on a llama, it's not a 1911 and i dont care what the guy you bought it from told you". always get laugh when i wal by his table and read it.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 10:12:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fister:
Im not opposed to starting out low and modifying myself but need to decide what to start with.

I am looking for real facts NOT flames.

This will be more than likely turned into a race gun type so it will need to undergo a lot of torment

We'll start with the LLama.

I am also not opposed to building from a completed frame up.



From your initial post it sounds like you're looking at a 1911 build (posting on the 1911 forum)? For a ground up type of build: Colt series 70 repro or Spingfield Armory G.I. Why?...the basic lines and platform are all there. If you are looking to save money then the Colt is a good choice. Most of the components are solid steel, which means less parts to replace. Kimber has also been mentioned. The frames and slides and their fit are some of the best out there from a production stand point.

There are other companies out there that do offer target match grade guns. Such as, Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Springfield Armory, Kimber and Les Baer. I suggest you look at those type of guns first. If there are a lot of things you would like to change, then go the route of a custom build. Remember, most of the guns you see as packages are ones that have been built based on an enormous amount of customer input. Which translates into modifications that work and have been proven. So, just because it is a package/production gun does not mean it is any less custom.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 8:01:37 AM EDT
Since this is the 1911 forum, I can only presume you want a 1911. So the guys mentioning the Glocks and Sigs etc. have either forgotten what forum they are in or have other knowledge of what you want that the rest of us don’t have.

If you’re looking for a new gun, I too have to with the Springfield. I have a GI-45 I paid $400 for and love it.

If you’re willing to go with a used gun, if you can find a Colt or Kimber for that price, get it.

The quality of the above is second to none for factory guns.

If you want to build from the frame up, you might want to look at Double Star. I personally haven’t heard much about them, but they sell the frame for $125 stripped, and $145 with plunger tube attached.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 8:07:35 AM EDT
The question "what's wrong with RIAs / Charles Daly / Armscor" comes up here on a weekly basis. Do a search on Rock Island and you will probably find more info than you care to read.

Basically: most budget 1911s suffer from poor QC, metallurgy, and customer service. The Springfield milspec guns are recommended the most because they do a good job with the basics. They have a lifetime warranty and any problems are usually the fault of the small parts, and easily fixed. The frame, barrel, and slide are all pretty good to use as a basis for customizing.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 10:47:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 10:48:21 AM EDT by RSF45]
Only heard negative things about the lLama & RIA's.
For new, go with the SA. But check around the local shops & the EE here,you might find a good brand used at a decent price.
You will starts seeing alot of guns up for sale soon with tax time right around the corner.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 6:15:49 AM EDT
I vote for the the Springer USGI.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 6:49:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/27/2006 10:40:47 AM EDT by Badrat414]
What about IAI 1911's? I found a new on online for $349.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:07:06 AM EDT
Gota link?
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:40:04 AM EDT
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976459963.htm
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:03:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/27/2006 11:11:08 AM EDT by SP10]

Originally Posted By Badrat414:
What about IAI 1911's? I found a new on online for $349.



From the one AMT/IAI I owned when I was too young to know better, run fast the other way. Soft metal. After working on my AMT (rebarreled mine after the barrel linkage broke) and a friends IAI Havelina, my area's top gunsmith at the time said he would never work on another.

I'd also agree with the Spriger mil-spec. If you have some good local shops, might be a good idea to look over the used section. For example, there is an older used Springfield 1911A1 at my shop, preMIM, for 375 currently. Last year a friend bought a used but unfired Colt 1991 for $500 in the same shop.

Some 1991A1s

www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976669255.htm

www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976628193.htm

www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976638608.htm

NIB for $600



Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:53:24 AM EDT
As soon as my son gets of the school bus I'm going to the gun shop. I called and he has 1 Springfield and it's $427. I'm going to check it out and probably buy it.
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