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Posted: 1/13/2006 4:03:52 PM EDT
My newly arrived magazine came with a catalog. Now I love 45's and Wilson products in general but DAMNhock.gif. I couldn't believe those prices. A four thousand dollar pistol? Is that in Canadian or something? Don't get me wrong I'd love to have one but I didn't see a single pistol that wasn't close to 2000 bucks. Does anyone here actually have one? I love theit mags but will never be able to afford a pistol at those prices. If you ever had to pull one on a bad guy he'd probably die of sticker shock!!
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 4:05:18 PM EDT


When a 1911 costs more than a cheap machinegun, it's too much for me, but some who go in harms way swear by them.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 4:14:01 PM EDT
Damn is right. I made the mistake of sending my first 1911 (a full sized stainless Colt) to them many moons ago to have Bo-Mar sights installed. I was a newbie IPSC shooter and didn't know any better. Took WAY to long to get it done and cost WAY too much. Their catalogued pistols are even worse price-wise.

Kimbers, IMNSHO, offer a much bigger bang for the buck if you are looking for a top-notch 1911.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 4:51:02 PM EDT
Check out Knighthawk custom. These guys left Wilson (rumor has it because he is a prick) but I never met the guy so who knows. Anyway, Wilson is way overpriced and there are good custom guns to be had elsewhere. We were blessed to have a local guy, George Madore, who would build you a one-holer for under a thousand bucks. Unfortunately, he passed a few years ago. EGW is good here in PA but they're also slow and expensive. If you can't find a local guy with a good rep, look at STI. They make "production guns" but are good.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 5:03:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TARFU:
Check out Knighthawk custom. These guys left Wilson (rumor has it because he is a prick) but I never met the guy so who knows. Anyway, Wilson is way overpriced and there are good custom guns to be had elsewhere. We were blessed to have a local guy, George Madore, who would build you a one-holer for under a thousand bucks. Unfortunately, he passed a few years ago. EGW is good here in PA but they're also slow and expensive. If you can't find a local guy with a good rep, look at STI. They make "production guns" but are good.

Overpriced compared to what? Nighthawk guns are usually MORE than Wilson pistols configured similarly.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 5:05:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ten-ring:
My newly arrived magazine came with a catalog. Now I love 45's and Wilson products in general but DAMN. I couldn't believe those prices. A four thousand dollar pistol? Is that in Canadian or something? Don't get me wrong I'd love to have one but I didn't see a single pistol that wasn't close to 2000 bucks. Does anyone here actually have one? I love theit mags but will never be able to afford a pistol at those prices. If you ever had to pull one on a bad guy he'd probably die of sticker shock!!

Yes, I own a CQB, but was at Elmore's a couple hours ago looking at a Nighthawk, thinking about getting one.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 5:08:59 PM EDT
There are a few guys here who have Wilson 1911's. You might check out 1911forums.com, they have a Wislon forum. Everybody there seems to think there worth the green. It sounds like they are built right anyway.

Nighthawk pistols are just as expensive.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 5:09:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Arkansas_Rocketman:
Damn is right. I made the mistake of sending my first 1911 (a full sized stainless Colt) to them many moons ago to have Bo-Mar sights installed. I was a newbie IPSC shooter and didn't know any better. Took WAY to long to get it done and cost WAY too much. Their catalogued pistols are even worse price-wise.

Kimbers, IMNSHO, offer a much bigger bang for the buck if you are looking for a top-notch 1911.

A stock Kimber is in NO WAY comparable to a semi-custom hand fitted pistol! Yes they are cheaper, but not "top-notch" by any stretch of the phrase. They are a well built base for a truly "top-notch" pistol, but then they aren't so cheap anymore.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 5:15:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2006 5:17:55 PM EDT by DocGun]
I own 2 CQBs and 3 Protectors, all 5". They are extremely well fit and finished. They are also accurate and extremely reliable. You get what you pay for. I would buy another Wilson in a "New York minute".
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 5:18:35 PM EDT
Have to agree with Gunguy1911. You cannot compare a Kimber to a hand fitted custom gun. Proof here is on the paper. BTW, I didn't research prices on knighthawks. To me, Kimbers are just regular production 1911's with all the bells and whistles added on. The money in a custom gun is in the barrel fit and trigger. I still think you can get an accurate 1911 cheaper than Wilson. I guess George Madore spoiled me.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 7:40:39 PM EDT
Wilson makes a darn fine product (as do Ed Brown, Les Baer and others). If the semi-custom market is out of your price range, you can still find a pretty decent 1911 for under $1K to start with (or build upon). The main point is if you try the 1911 platform and enjoy it...you'll probably end up like the rest of us...owning several 1911's as the years go by!
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 7:40:47 PM EDT
There is a local guy here in Indy named Vern Trester. He installed a carbon fiber Chip McCormick trigger for me. He also did a great deal of work on my friends Colt Commander. I have a dream list for my Colt Compact and when I get the parts I will go to him. I am planning on getting it refinished and have heard off and on that a blued gun is not the best choice.I've carried a blued .38 Taurus as a truck gun and a few other Blued guns in a holster and nary a "problem". Is this because the blue wears off after a lot of holster time or what? Never heard of it being a drawback. I'm tired of my parkerized look though and would love a good excuse to get it finished in a nice blue or ...gasp....Chrome!
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 7:45:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Arkansas_Rocketman:

Kimbers, IMNSHO, offer a much bigger bang for the buck if you are looking for a top-notch 1911.



You'd be correct, since Wilson frames / slides are made by Kimber.


But, for a "semi-custom" 1911, Les Baer will give you a better gun for less money.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 7:53:44 PM EDT
I have one; I had two at one time. What do you want to know?

I compared Kimbers to Wilsons and there is really no comparison. The fit and finish is just great. Would I do it again? No, I have a police trade-in G-21 that shoots just as good and my Protector. I am actually wanting to get rid of now.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 7:56:31 PM EDT
What do you all think in terms of work ?

Seems like Wilson prices for doing work on a customer supplied pistol are about in line with other reputable smiths.

I ask as I have a Kimber Classic Custom, that needs to get the "works" done.

Was leaning towards Wilson, they built me a Springfield into a CQB, and I was very happy with it.
Now that I have the opportunity to repeat the project on a better (just an opinion) frame, barrel and slide, would be very happy to have them do it again.

I can't seem to find much better prices for any of the marquee name smiths out there. Not really willing to trust just anyone, if they muck up the checkering, its mucked...
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 7:56:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mall-Ninja:
You'd be correct, since Wilson frames / slides are made by Kimber..




Really? I guess I can scratch that off of my "research until I come up empty handed, and then ask ARFCOM" list.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 8:11:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jollyroger:

Originally Posted By Mall-Ninja:
You'd be correct, since Wilson frames / slides are made by Kimber..




Really? I guess I can scratch that off of my "research until I come up empty handed, and then ask ARFCOM" list.



I don't think that is quite correct. Wilson uses Caspian frames. Why would Kimber supply their biggest competitor?
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 8:26:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2006 8:28:57 PM EDT by jollyroger]
Note to self: dont automatically believe everything I read on the internet.

Me-->

Caspian frames...is that for certain? Does Caspian also do the slides?


Sorry for the hijack ten-ring
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 8:34:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2006 8:36:42 PM EDT by Va_Dinger]

Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL-01:
Wilson uses Caspian frames.



This is correct for the integral light railed CQB's, but I was told by Wilson recently that they have been making the rest of their frames in house for the past few years.

Personally, I think the CQB is the best product Wilson offers. Mine has always been stone reliable with nothing less than flawless fit & finish. It is easily the equal of any of the other semi-customs on the market.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 8:37:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 8:42:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:

Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL-01:
Wilson uses Caspian frames.



This is correct for the integral light railed CQB's, but I was told by Wilson recently that they have been making the rest of their frames in house for the past few years.

Personally, I think the CQB is the best product Wilson offers. Mine has always been stone reliable with nothing less than flawless fit & finish. It is easily the equal of any of the other semi-customs on the market.



Now that you mention it, you are correct. Light rail's are Caspian and the rest are in house. They spent a ton on a CNC a few years ago.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 8:53:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SGB:
Seems its the folks that don't own a high end 1911 that gotta talk about how they ain't worth the price.

All I can say is that Value is in the eye of the consumer



+1

You are a wise man.
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 11:35:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL-01:

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:

Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL-01:
Wilson uses Caspian frames.



This is correct for the integral light railed CQB's, but I was told by Wilson recently that they have been making the rest of their frames in house for the past few years.

Personally, I think the CQB is the best product Wilson offers. Mine has always been stone reliable with nothing less than flawless fit & finish. It is easily the equal of any of the other semi-customs on the market.



Now that you mention it, you are correct. Light rail's are Caspian and the rest are in house. They spent a ton on a CNC a few years ago.



I spoke to them about a year ago (been drooling for one for some time, 2006 is the year ). I was told that they'd been using Kimber frames (started with, is more like it, as they worked from there), but that they were setting up to produce their own. Told me they should be doing them by (last) June or so.

As to quality/price, so far I own a couple SA's (former Colt owner as well). I've handled Wilson CQB's as well as many others. The quality and value seems readily apparent to me. And the CQB can be had for around $1650 if buying direct from Wilson and doing a transfer for fee with a local FFL.

T Bone (Detroit).
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 5:23:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SGB:
Seems its the folks that don't own a high end 1911 that gotta talk about how they ain't worth the price.

All I can say is that Value is in the eye of the consumer

+1
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 5:26:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 5:28:17 AM EDT by GUNGUY1911]
Ooops!
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 10:44:26 AM EDT
You do get what you pay for with Wilson Combat. Their parts of some of the highest quality. I'll say this too, Wilson Combat has some of the best customer service out there. This is also something to consider when spending 1500+
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 10:55:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JCG4:
You do get what you pay for with Wilson Combat. Their parts of some of the highest quality. I'll say this too, Wilson Combat has some of the best customer service out there. This is also something to consider when spending 1500+


+1 on customer service. Called up Larry Lyles at Wilson and orderd a shock buff kit, extended slide release and a few other parts. Easy to talk to, very friendly to deal with.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 6:38:42 AM EDT
I've had a CQB for three years and have about 10K rounds through it. To me it is worth it to have something so accurate, reliable, and functional. I have Kimbers and Colts as well; the main difference between them besides appearance is accuracy. Given that for combat distances the accuracy difference isn't important; the only good reason to spend twice as much for a Wilson as a carry pistol is their great customer service and because you enjoy it. Otherwise I'd prefer a Kimber.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 7:44:12 AM EDT
The way I heard it, is Kimber & Wilson both bought their frames & slides from the same third party company. A few years back, Kimber bought this company and soon thereafter Wilson began making their own frames and slides in-house.

Link Posted: 1/15/2006 11:11:26 AM EDT
Both compainies in the past have contracted out to others. S&W has been one that Kimber has used in the past. Now, since both are equiped to manufacture slides/frame contracting out has gone down. However, when demand exceeds production, then the companies will contract out to fill that demand. This is also the reason "drop-in" parts are available. Since manufacturing 1911's sepec's have been standardized. For me I really don't care who manufactured the slide/frame so long as the quality and reliability are there.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 1:00:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ken_mays:
The way I heard it, is Kimber & Wilson both bought their frames & slides from the same third party company. A few years back, Kimber bought this company and soon thereafter Wilson began making their own frames and slides in-house.




That’s exactly what I have been told several times by Wilson employees. Except for the integral light railed CQB frames, they are Caspian.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 1:12:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 1:13:12 PM EDT by Trumpet]

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:

Originally Posted By SGB:
Seems its the folks that don't own a high end 1911 that gotta talk about how they ain't worth the price.

All I can say is that Value is in the eye of the consumer



+1

You are a wise man.



+2. Indeed.

I used to be in "that" camp....until I got my NH.
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