You're within 100 of me. I haven't had a call yet. Maybe this week. Also sent the last day of the "random" lottery. Bummed we're left with the bottom of the barrel.

Agree no worry. Just because they limited the applications doesn’t mean they don’t have a ton of pistols, and I have often ( personal experiences with the old DCM) sometimes it is a save best for last sort of thing.

So is it safe to assume there will be a round 3?

The "random" number pissed me off too. Next round I'll be mailing on day 1 that's for sure.

FOIA e-mail received (e-mailed request on 7/7).  

Note: "The DoD Small Arms/Light Weapons Registry history only goes back to 1975 when the Registry was started."The 649th M.P. Co. was 'defederalized' from the 5th Army in to the CARNG in 1997.  They then became a component of the 49th MP Brigade, Fairfield, CA - and deactivated in 2017

I think the random comes in what they send you. I’ll likely get mine next week due to a paperwork issue, but as understand it, they open new barrels as they go, so you could have been RGN 20,100 and been the bottom of barrel number 1. So I’m not concerned with not getting a good pistol due to my high RGN. It’s just been a long wait. And the timing is such that my wife passed on it this round. If there is a round 3, she’ll be overnighting the application.

The only thing stopping a round 3 would be congress, since they have enough pistols I would guess in storage for a round 3. I think there should have been 48,000 pistols transferred since 2018. RGNs into the 34,000 range? Should leave 14,000 available currently for a round 3. Crossing fingers on that.

How long between the shipment email and actual shipment?  They didn't supply a tracking number.

Hoping for a 1911, not an A1 with our choices.

An ARFCOMer got one in the Round One thread.  With a matching slide even.   Everyone was

I saved the pic he posted!

@dolomite  Look what I got.

This letter is in response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request dated
July 8, 2022 reference number AMC FOIA # FP-22-022829/FA-22-1674. The request is
for ownership history on a M1911A1 Pistol Caliber .45 serial number xxxxxxx.
The following Information was found in the Department of Defense (DoD) Small
Arms/Light Weapons Registry for a M1911A1, Pistol Caliber .45, Automatic, NSN: 1005-
00-726-5655, Serial Number: xxxxxxx. The records for this weapon are listed below in
chronological order:

1. April 10, 1975 – The United States Property and Fiscal Office (USPFO),
California Army National Guard - San Luis Obispo, California registered the
weapon into the DoD Small Arms/Light Weapons Registry.

2. December 26, 1991 – Owning activity of the weapon has been reported as the
649th Military Police Company (California Army National Guard) - San Luis
Obispo, California and posted to the DoD Small Arms/Light Weapons Registry.

3. May 18, 1994 – The 649th Military Police Company (California Army National
Guard) - San Luis Obispo, California conducted an annual weapon serial number
reconciliation on the weapon.

4. August 11, 1996 – Owning activity of the weapon has been reported as the
USPFO, California Army National Guard - San Luis Obispo, California and
posted to the DoD Small Arms/Light Weapons Registry.

5. November 14, 1997 – The Rock Island Arsenal Joint Manufacture and
Technology Center - Rock Island, Illinois received the weapon from the USPFO,
California Army National Guard - San Luis Obispo, California.

6. March 18, 2003, August 13, 2003, October 08, 2003, January 07, 2004, March
02, 2004, April 21, 2004, July 01, 2004, October 04, 2004, January 03, 2005,
February 22, 2005, April 18, 2005, July 15, 2005, January 31, 2006, April 04,
2006, February 05, 2007, January 22, 2008, August 11, 2008 and January 30,2009
– The Rock Island Arsenal Joint Manufacture and Technology Center -
Rock Island, Illinois conducted annual weapon serial number reconciliations on
the weapon.

7. September 24, 2009 – The Rock Island Arsenal Joint Manufacture and
Technology Center - Rock Island, Illinois shipped the weapon to the Defense
Logistics Agency (DLA) Distribution - Anniston, Alabama.

8. June 23, 2010 – The DLA Distribution - Anniston, Alabama received the weapon
from the Rock Island Arsenal Joint Manufacture and Technology Center - Rock
Island, Illinois.

9. March 06, 2011, December 03, 2011, January 19, 2013, March 07, 2015, May
01, 2016, March 05, 2017, June 04, 2017, March 31, 2019 and April 26, 2020 –
The DLA Distribution - Anniston, Alabama conducted annual weapon serial
number reconciliations on the weapon.

10. June 05, 2020 – The DLA Distribution - Anniston, Alabama shipped the weapon
to the Tank Automotive and Armaments Command Civilian Marksmanship
Program - Anniston, Alabama.

11. June 05, 2020 – The Tank Automotive and Armaments Command Civilian
Marksmanship Program - Anniston, Alabama received the weapon from the DLA
Distribution - Anniston, Alabama.

12. June 05, 2020 – The Tank Automotive and Armaments Command Civilian
Marksmanship Program - Anniston, Alabama shipped the weapon outside the
DoD to the Civilian Marksmanship Program South - Anniston, Alabama.

If you interpret this response as an adverse action, you have the right to contact the
Army FOIA Public Liaison Officer, Alecia Boiling, by email at us.army.hgda-oaa-
[email protected] or by phone at (703) 428-6238. Additionally,
you may contact the Office of Government Information Services (OGIS) at the national
Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to inquire about the FOIA mediation
services they offer. The contact information for OGIS is as follows: NARA-OGIS, 8601
Adelphi Road-OGIS, College Park, MD 20740-6001, email at [email protected], telephone
number (202) 741-5770, toll free at (877) 684-6448, or by facsimile at (202) 741-5769.

There is no cost associated with the processing of this request.

Our pistols probably hung out together in the same rack for years.  

I shot mine last weekend.  Did OK but not spectacular.  No issues with ball or hollowpoints.  Hung up a couple times on my lead reloads but just had to smack the back of the slide to lock it in before shooting.  

The rack number wore off, though.  My rack number was 94 and yours 96 if I remember correctly.

Crazy.  Our pistols were rack-mates.

That is so damn cool.

@redleg13a

Any chance your slide has some hard-to-see / erased paint pen markings?

Not that I can see.  I looked at it under various lights and angles and I don't see anything to indicate any kind of paint or marker.  

I wonder how many other guys are getting pistols from the same MP company?

I finally remembered to fire off the FOIA request using your format.  I asked for the serial of my old issue gun, the CMP I got and my buddy got too.

Fingers crossed.

UPDATE: They replied quickly.

Got my FOIA request back.  I'm going to guess my pistol was in a museum, appeared from a black hole, fell off of a truck or whatnot.  

This letter is in response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request dated July 8, 2022 reference number AMC FOIA # FP-22-022853/FA-22-1676.  The request is for ownership history on a M1911A1 Pistol Caliber .45 serial number 2063769.      
The following Information was found in the Department of Defense (DoD) Small Arms/Light Weapons Registry for a M1911A1, .45mm Automatic Pistol, NSN: 1005-00-726-5655, Serial Number 2063769.  
The records for this weapon are listed below in chronological order:  
1.  11 August 2010 - Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon.  

2.  06 March 2011, 03 December 2011, 19 January 2013, 07 March 2015, 01 May 2016, 05 March 2017, 04 June 2017, 31 March 2019, and 26 April 2020- Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama performed reconciliations on the weapon.  

3.  05 June 2020 - Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama shipped the weapon to Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama.  

4.  05 June 2020 - Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon from Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama.  

5.  05 June 2020 - Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM), Anniston, Alabama shipped the weapon outside the Department of Defense (DoD).

My FOIA came back today too and read exactly the same as yours. Next step for me is a FOIA to the Navy.

Got the reply for the three guns I have a serial for.

My CMP Gun:


My buddy's gun:


My issue gun:


What's interesting is that they don't show my issue gun as being at 2-37 or 3-34 Armor Regiment, 1st Infantry Division (Forward) Böblingen, Germany from 1988 to 1990.

Murphy is alive and well even if I’m not. After a long wait, I have to wait a little bit longer. My pistol just arrived at my FFL but I’m knocked out with COVID so I’m going to wait to go pick it up. My FFL, however sent pics of my field grade.

RR frame and slide, manufactured 1945. I’m no expert, but I don’t see any rebuild markings. Is this maybe original parkerized finish? Anyway, I’m very happy. Maybe not so much with the crappy engraving job someone did, but then again, I didn’t want or expect perfect. I wanted “been there, done that.”

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Curious what those blister like marks are on the right side.

So am I.

I think it is grease based on the hi-res photos that I have.

I have the number 55 engraved into the slide of mine. In the exact location of your 54.

About that time, I was in Erlangen in units of 2BDE, 1AD and this tells me while the guns are on the unit property book, that must be seperate from the small arms registry. I'd guess only someone in the support BNs or maybe Div G-4 had access to the small arms registry, and that is as far "down" as it went for weapons tracking, while the property book had the data down to company level.

Just got my rack grade in. Colt frame and slide, 1943. Very happy with it. No rebuild marks but replacement barrel.

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That's a score.

Will check tomorrow, I’m bringing it to work to take apart and oil, I’ll look and update then.

You work at the post office?

Not matching as I assumed given the difference of wear. Would be cool to find the guy who has the matching frame and my matching slide and do a swapperooski.

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Thanks! I registered for an account 2 days ago and still haven’t gotten the activation email.

If you ever find the matching SN# slide, that's equivalent to winning a jackpot. Not impossible, but 1 in a million or more.

BTW, What you got is already as good as you can get from CMP, Colt slide/frame from the same year. A winner. I know a lot of people would love to have Colt/Colt CMP more than other contractors. Just because it's a Colt 45.

Picked up my rack grade yesterday, a 1945 Remington Rand with matching slide and HS barrel. Just the condition I hoped for.

I got the call on the 20th, shipped the next day, and picked up a day later.

Wow.  That is incredible. Congrats!

Here's mine!

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Awesome! Rack grade?

Type II slide.

Tell me more. Is that important?

yes, this was a rack grade.

See how the text for "Remington Rand... NY" stretches all the way to the slide release?  On a Type III, the lettering is smaller and stops 3/4" to the left.  Type II is much less common than later guns with the Type 3 (short logo) slide, like mine, or even the Type I, where NY is spelled out; New York.

Matter only if the frame also within Type II SN# range. If not, it's just a Mixmaster USGI that have no more value than any CMP 1911 with mismatching parts.

I highly doubt CMP will let that one go and not put it on the auction if frame also a Type II RR. Would be interesting to find out the SN#.

My serial is 2069489.  I guess a mixmaster, then.

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I’m no expert, but I’ve slept at a Holiday Inn, so…

I was able to pick it up. The blob in the photo was just oil.

Stamping look pretty clean and I don’t see any arsenal rebuilds so original parkerized finish? Best I can tell from comparing cool gun site pics,  the thumb safety, hammer, slide stop, recoil spring plug and parts are consistent with a 1945 Remington Rand.

Replacement barrel marked .45 Auto, 7791193, 85 and an M stamped on the lug. Any way to tell the manufacturer of the barrel?

The magazine catch lock looked a little too good, and magazines were catching when trying to insert them. It seems the catch was sticking into the mag well about 1/32”. I used a dremel to take a little bit of the bottom edge to more of a taper and magazines now insert. I don’t think I destroyed any history, but I want functioning history.

I shot it and got a 3” group at 15 yards with 6 shots.

What concerns would you guys have shooting this pistol? Should I be concerned with damaging the slide with standard factory ammo? Any precautions to prevent damage?

No, it's a hard slide you won't damage it with standard ammo.

Make sure the springs are up to spec.  If in doubt, replace them.

Hard slides didn't hit the military until ~1947. That WWII-era R-R slide is not one of them. It'll last longer than the WWI-era slides, but not as long as the post-war hardened slides. I wouldn't think twice about taking it out a few times a year, but I wouldn't make it a USPSA gun.

This is the best advise if you shoot these CMP 1911s, doesn't matter if it has hard slide or not. You have no idea on the round counts of the recoil spring and firing pin spring in these pistols. $8-10 spent on the new replacement spring is a wise insurance.