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Correct. The "civilian" versions of this model, of which I believe there were 50 made, came out of the custom shop. They were $2400 IIRC. View Quote In any event, here is the info straight from BJT72: Lets make it simple. O1070M45 - Production line gun (closest to guns issued to Marines) O1070CQB - Custom Shop gun (fitted barrel, tuned trigger, better fit and finish) M1070CQBP - Gun sold to Marine Corps. (closest to M45) Brent __________________ |
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Damn. Sweet weapons. I still really want to build an MEU clone. On my bucket list. I don't need a rack of 1911's, but I'd like two - my Camp Perry gun and an MEU. What I like is they are a gun you wouldn't feel bad about carrying in the backcountry.
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Actually quite a few more than 50 were released from the custom shop, but I don't know the actual number. In any event, here is the info straight from BJT72: Lets make it simple. O1070M45 - Production line gun (closest to guns issued to Marines) O1070CQB - Custom Shop gun (fitted barrel, tuned trigger, better fit and finish) M1070CQBP - Gun sold to Marine Corps. (closest to M45) Brent __________________ View Quote |
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Actually quite a few more than 50 were released from the custom shop, but I don't know the actual number. In any event, here is the info straight from BJT72: Lets make it simple. O1070M45 - Production line gun (closest to guns issued to Marines) O1070CQB - Custom Shop gun (fitted barrel, tuned trigger, better fit and finish) M1070CQBP - Gun sold to Marine Corps. (closest to M45) Brent __________________ View Quote Looking into it,that's not correct. It's just a close quarters battle pistol. Here is a listed pistol My links don't work, but it is a factory part number |
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I wonder how many CCS guns will get a laser X to simulate being issued and returned? Not everybody knows part numbers or serial number listings.
As for Ionbond I suspect that if it's better at resisting abrasion when carried in a dust filled holster it's a matter of how we measure units of time in service, not about them being impervious to it. When somebody comes up with a coating that survives being applied inside a concrete mixer, maybe. Otherwise, it's still a matter of when, not if. Look at the 1911 in service carried in leather holsters. There is a reason why so many were junked, and why they weren't worth armory rebuilding again. How do we clean brass being reloaded? Put them in a vibrating container filled with abrasive media. Pistol in plastic holster filled with dust = the finish will be ground off no matter what. In this specific case Colt certainly didn't bother refinishing them. Either the contract required new guns or the turnaround wasn't worth the bother. |
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Maybe they will get more in stock....
Got a late message when I asked the seller how many they had total. (Before they sold out) Received just a few minutes ago: "We sold out yesterday but are hoping they send us more." |
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I sent him an email as well as I regretted not buying two like I was thinking initially.
I have not heard back from them yet though. I have 2 boys so it would be nice to have one for each of them at some point. I've got 2 1918 Colts, 2 WW2 Colts, 2 Remington Rands and 2 Ithacas for them so they already have a pretty nice GI 1911 collection and don't even know it yet Now if I could just find me one nice US&S at a reasonable price |
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Someones already re-posting them for sale for huge mark up...Capitalism at it's best! More power to you.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/631388890 |
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Someones already re-posting them for sale for huge mark up...Capitalism at it's best! More power to you. http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/631388890 View Quote |
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I don't think he had them in hand as the pics are the same as the other auction.
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I am thinking he was just chumming the waters to see what he might get for them.
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My younger brothers ffl guy got 25 of these from the same liquidator, but not through gun broker. He told me they were in the works maybe 6 months ago. His guy claims they had around 4000 available.
My guess is behind the scenes there were a number of dealers who knew and got a bunch. Perhaps the ones sold on gunbroker were the leftovers. |
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There's one problem I see with that possibility. Anyone, any dealer or retailer that has these would have them on the market right now and so far the ones on GB are the only ones we have seen.
If what you said is true, I would expect to have seen them listed on AIM and/or Classic Firearms already. Earl Quoted:
My younger brothers ffl guy got 25 of these from the same liquidator, but not through gun broker. He told me they were in the works maybe 6 months ago. His guy claims they had around 4000 available. My guess is behind the scenes there were a number of dealers who knew and got a bunch. Perhaps the ones sold on gunbroker were the leftovers. View Quote |
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There's one problem I see with that possibility. Anyone, any dealer or retailer that has these would have them on the market right now and so far the ones on GB are the only ones we have seen. If what you said is true, I would expect to have seen them listed on AIM and/or Classic Firearms already. Earl View Quote |
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Yeah really destroys the collectible value of it especially to guys who are former Marines and wanted one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Yep $1350 for a military surplus 1911 $1350 for the last 1911 in history to be issued to the View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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My younger brothers ffl guy got 25 of these from the same liquidator, but not through gun broker. He told me they were in the works maybe 6 months ago. His guy claims they had around 4000 available. My guess is behind the scenes there were a number of dealers who knew and got a bunch. Perhaps the ones sold on gunbroker were the leftovers. View Quote |
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I seem to recall a number of roughly 12000 procured. Keep in mind these were guns for special operations units only. Marsoc has gone mostly glock. It is my understanding like so many things in the military that these are now trickling down to other units of a less specialized nature such as base swat teams. A friend of mine who was force recon told me ( he got out just as these were being introduced) he hadn't used anything but a meu-soc 1911 in the last ten or so years.
Fwiw the mk23 was such a flop with special operations some conventional troops I deployed to Iraq with in 2004 managed to acquire some |
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That would actually up the value to Marines. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Here is a second one with a Buy It Now price of $2600.
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The first one is the same guy who posted the other one that made it to $2200 and then was canceled without meeting reserve.
Funny though that both of them are using the same "stock" pics from the original auctions. I wonder if they even have them in hand and I would demand a pic of the actual gun before I would drop that kind of money. Oh, and I wouldn't drop that kind of money on one. |
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I don't think they have them yet Banshee. Most of the early winners didn't start seeing shipping information until yesterday. Right now they are onto Saturday's winners. I purchased on Sunday so fingers crossed I'll have shipping info tomorrow. Earl
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I'm curious to see what kind of condition they are actually in and of course I can't wait to see mine.
Mines gonna be a while as it's a Monday purchase. |
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Here are photos of one of the actual pistols and a letter from Colt.
Link To Actual MEUSOC M45A1 Pistol Auction |
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I purchased one myself. When it comes in I will share pics.
I almost did/wish I did purchase a second one for my father. |
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How many of us who got one ordered are kicking themselves for not getting two and keeping the better one? |
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Me...I had two in my cart and changed it to one like a dumbass.
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I thought they were replacing them with Glock 21s?
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No Glock 21's. From what I understand Marine MARSOC dropped the M45A1 and is going to the Glock 19. Other Marine units such as Force Recon, etc. still use the M45A1 to my knowledge - so they use the ion bond guns. And then the Army selected the Sig 320.
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I think marsoc gets the glock 19 because of socom using them.
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IN THE UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF DELAWARE In re: COLT HOLDING COMPANY LLC Debtors. Chapter 11 The Marine Corps Contract 18. In mid-2012, Colt entered into a multi-year, indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contract with the United States Marine Corps (“USMC”) to procure the Close Quarter Battle Pistol System and associated spares, data, and tools (“USMC Contract”). Decl. of Lee E. Hoyland, dated Dec. 17, 2015 (“Hoyland Decl.”) ¶ 2. The USMC Contract is contract no. M67854-12-D-1065 with the Marine Corps Systems Command, which is a component of the Department of the Navy. Id. ¶ 1. 19. USMC accepted its first delivery order under the USMC Contract in October 2012. Id. ¶ 3. In July 2013, three USMC units fielding the pistols reported that, between two and three months into operation, the pistols began exhibiting abnormal wearing and chipping in the Cerakote coating of the grip screw bushing, grip screw, safety, magazine release, magazine well, and rear sight set screws. Id. Colt personnel confirmed these defects, which create firing and other operational problems. Id. 20. Between December 2013 and May 2015, USMC program specialists and Colt engineers conferred to address the defects in the delivered weapons. Id. On May 11, 2015, Colt submitted a proposed engineering change to substitute an Ionbond protective finish for the Cerakote finish on future deliveries in order to improve wear and corrosion resistance. Id. 21. During the past several months, USMC and Colt have also discussed ways to address and cure the 4,096 defective Cerakote-coated pistols delivered to date, but they have not completed the cure. Id. ¶ 4. 22. The defects related to the Cerakote coating presently affect 4,036 pistols in the USMC inventory. Id. ¶ 4. The replacement value of these 4,036 defective pistols is $4,237,800 26. To fulfill the requirements of 11 U.S.C. § 365(b)(1) and obtain the United States’ consent to assumption under 41 U.S.C. § 6305 and 11 U.S.C. § 365(c)(1), Colt must do the following: Marine Corps Contract: (1) Pay the replacement value of $4,237,800 for the 4,036 defective Cerakote-coated pistols or provide a satisfactory alternative cure; and (2) provide adequate assurance that the Ionbond-coated pistols delivered under Engineering Change Proposal 1065-CQB-0002 will conform to contract specifications. https://www.kccllc.net/coltdefense/document/1511296151221000000000001 |
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Goodness the finish is rough. Is that cerakote? I can see why they went with ionbond later.
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