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Posted: 2/1/2017 9:15:01 PM EDT
So I picked up my first 1911 today, a Ruger Full size. After a breakdown and lube I took it to the range and ran 200 rds of Blazer brass through it. About 7-8 times I experienced a failure to go into battery by about 1/2".
It was not magazine specific. I used the two supplied Ruger mags and a 10rd power mag. Each time it happened I visually inspected the round and it had a very slight crease/scrape where I guess it stopped. I would guess it is hanging up of the feed ramps at some point but 1911's are more to me. Before I call Ruger who I know will take care of me I thought I'd ask here. Here is a pic of one of the rounds that failed to feed.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/1/2017 9:27:35 PM EDT
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Loosen [de-tension] the extractor slightly.
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Posted: 2/1/2017 9:33:01 PM EDT
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Loosen [de-tension] the extractor slightly. |
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Posted: 2/1/2017 9:45:45 PM EDT
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Gotcha. That doesn't look to hard. I'm new to this so thank you. So just go a little at a time and try shooting some more?
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Posted: 2/1/2017 9:49:47 PM EDT
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Gotcha. That doesn't look to hard. I'm new to this so thank you. So just go a little at a time and try shooting some more? Yep, just de-tension it a little bit, it doesn't need much. It's better to do it in several steps VS one big one. |
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Posted: 2/1/2017 10:30:31 PM EDT
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Agreed to much extractor tension..
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Posted: 2/1/2017 11:29:34 PM EDT
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I would thoroughly lubricate and shoot more before messing with the tension. Some 1911's take longer than others to wear in. If you still have consistent issues after the next 200 rds then I would consider loosening the tension.
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Posted: 2/1/2017 11:49:51 PM EDT
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I would thoroughly lubricate and shoot more before messing with the tension. Some 1911's take longer than others to wear in. If you still have consistent issues after the next 200 rds then I would consider loosening the tension. This. A friend bought a new SA MilSpec, with which he had problems from his very first range trip. It wouldn't fully return to battery. He brought it by the house, and a quick look-over discovered that the slide rails were bone dry. We cleaned it, and I put a very small dab of Rig +P grease on the frame rails ( and also replaced his OEM locking MSH with a spare USGI MSH). He went right back out, and called back to say that the problem was gone! |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 12:32:02 AM EDT
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This. A friend bought a new SA MilSpec, with which he had problems from his very first range trip. It wouldn't fully return to battery. He brought it by the house, and a quick look-over discovered that the slide rails were bone dry. We cleaned it, and I put a very small dab of Rig +P grease on the frame rails ( and also replaced his OEM locking MSH with a spare USGI MSH). He went right back out, and called back to say that the problem was gone! I had it lubed up generously with slip 2000 oil. I use Rig on my M&P's rails but have always been told oil oil oil for 1911's. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 12:43:53 AM EDT
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Might check for rough edges on slide and rails. Usually a good idea to polish the feed ramp.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 2:19:25 PM EDT
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Don't touch the feedramp as that could void the warranty. I would check extractor tension.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 3:12:46 PM EDT
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Shoot 50 to 100 rounds and see if the problem goes away. If not, before changing extractor tension, take the slide off and check the tension (as seen on youtube). At that point it should be very clear if it is a tension issue.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 9:17:54 PM EDT
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There's an old adage, if it turns oil it, if it slides grease it.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 10:08:48 PM EDT
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I've been using Slip 2000 EWL on 1911s for years. It's not a lube issue. I recommend starting with checking the extractor tension.
 Wilson Combat - Checking the Extractor Tension in your 1911 |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 10:36:02 PM EDT
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Judging by the way the cartridge was retained in that video mine is much tighter. I'm going to do a detail strip and debur this weekend and very lightly loosen the tension on the extractor and hit the range on Monday to see if that helps. Thanks for the tips.
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Posted: 2/5/2017 1:00:51 PM EDT
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Will the too much tension failure to feed show itself in cycling the gun with dummy rounds? I did some tuning of the extractor and want to see if the problem is better before I hit the range tomorrow, but I'm not sure hand cycling will replicate the issue.
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Posted: 2/5/2017 2:29:26 PM EDT
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Hand cycling will not really tell you any thing need to shoot it
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Posted: 2/5/2017 2:34:53 PM EDT
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Understood.
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Posted: 2/6/2017 10:13:02 PM EDT
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Today I put another 300 rds through it having de tensioned the extractor some. I had one similar failure in those three hundred that was no way near severe as before. Very light pressure to the slide and it went into battery. I pulled the round out the chamber and there wasn't even a mark on the brass. Obviously this is an improvement over the first range visit, but should I de tension the extractor just ever so slightly more or let it work itself out from here?
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Posted: 2/6/2017 10:36:15 PM EDT
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I would let it work itself out and pickup a new recoil spring before you head to the range again.
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Posted: 2/6/2017 11:03:16 PM EDT
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A new spring already? Do you think my spring was weak to begin with? It probably wouldn't hurt to have a spare around so learn me on replacement springs please. I see so may "tuning" spring weights around here. What is the standard?
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Posted: 2/7/2017 9:23:39 AM EDT
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Recoil springs are good for about 5,000 most change out sooner. I go by overall length ISMI has a chart.
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Posted: 2/7/2017 12:28:29 PM EDT
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Checking and adjusting extractor tension is the first thing I do with any 1911. More often than not, they are set too loose or too tight.
In your specific case, I suspect the barrel feed ramp may benefit from a light rollover radius at the top. Need a good photo of the barrel to know for sure. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 1:44:22 PM EDT
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Recoil springs are good for about 5,000 most change out sooner. I go by overall length ISMI has a chart. As stated before I am new to 1911's so I am learning. Why do 1911 springs have such a shorter life span than modern autos? Is it slide mass or something like that? I've always changed out my other auto recoil springs when they fail but that is always 10000 rds or more. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 4:33:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/7/2017 6:04:36 PM EDT
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As stated before I am new to 1911's so I am learning. Why do 1911 springs have such a shorter life span than modern autos? Is it slide mass or something like that? I've always changed out my other auto recoil springs when they fail but that is always 10000 rds or more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Recoil springs are good for about 5,000 most change out sooner. I go by overall length ISMI has a chart. As stated before I am new to 1911's so I am learning. Why do 1911 springs have such a shorter life span than modern autos? Is it slide mass or something like that? I've always changed out my other auto recoil springs when they fail but that is always 10000 rds or more. Quite honestly, most people run recoil springs in all pistol makes well past their lifespan. In a 1911, if you don't count rounds, one changes the recoil spring when it's length is reduced 1/2 -3/4 of an inch. The quality of the spring is a huge part of it, I've seen some Springfield springs in the early/mid 2000's last less then 500 rounds before they lost an incredible amount of tension and just went 'flat.' Personally, I use Wolff springs only, I doubt almost any gun manufacturer you can name actually makes their own springs, they source from a company that pretty much makes springs and only springs. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 7:08:54 PM EDT
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As stated before I am new to 1911's so I am learning. Why do 1911 springs have such a shorter life span than modern autos? Is it slide mass or something like that? I've always changed out my other auto recoil springs when they fail but that is always 10000 rds or more. I have been able to get over 5000 rounds from a 1911 recoil spring but I swap them a little more often because they are cheap and aid in reliability. 16lb. is the standard for 5"/government recoil springs. What magazines are you using? |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 9:49:56 PM EDT
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I have been able to get over 5000 rounds from a 1911 recoil spring but I swap them a little more often because they are cheap and aid in reliability. 16lb. is the standard for 5"/government recoil springs. What magazines are you using? So far the two supplied Ruger Mags 7 & 8 rd and a 10rd CMC Powermag. I just picked up another 2 10 rounders and 3 8 rounder CMC mags from Midway. ETA: Sounds like Wolff is the go for replacement springs? I have used them in other guns with great results. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 10:10:18 PM EDT
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So far the two supplied Ruger Mags 7 & 8 rd and a 10rd CMC Powermag. I just picked up another 2 10 rounders and 3 8 rounder CMC mags from Midway. ETA: Sounds like Wolff is the go for replacement springs? I have used them in other guns with great results. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have been able to get over 5000 rounds from a 1911 recoil spring but I swap them a little more often because they are cheap and aid in reliability. 16lb. is the standard for 5"/government recoil springs. What magazines are you using? So far the two supplied Ruger Mags 7 & 8 rd and a 10rd CMC Powermag. I just picked up another 2 10 rounders and 3 8 rounder CMC mags from Midway. ETA: Sounds like Wolff is the go for replacement springs? I have used them in other guns with great results. Wolff are great, I'd bet a significant portion of the ''big name'' spring sellers are using re-branded Wolff springs. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 10:13:56 PM EDT
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standard on the ruger is 18# . when i got mine the first thing i thought was " dang this is a strong spring". i put a 13# in it and its ran 100% with it .
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Posted: 2/7/2017 10:29:59 PM EDT
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standard on the ruger is 18# . Correct. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 10:31:33 PM EDT
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What would be the benefits/downside to going to a "standard" 16# spring vs the Ruger 18#?
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Posted: 2/9/2017 2:40:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2017 8:23:03 AM EDT
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Shoot 50 to 100 rounds and see if the problem goes away. If not, before changing extractor tension, take the slide off and check the tension (as seen on youtube). At that point it should be very clear if it is a tension issue. This. Or, if none of that works, return it to Ruger with a note telling them to "Fix it!" - or you'll just declare it to be a "lemon," get your money refunded, and then buy the make of 1911 that comes with a Pony on it.  
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Posted: 2/20/2017 5:40:44 PM EDT
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So I finally got back to the range today and perfect through 300 rds. I did just a tiny tweaking after the last trip and it was flawless. Thank you for the good advice.
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Posted: 2/20/2017 5:52:18 PM EDT
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