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Posted: 11/10/2003 12:20:00 PM EDT
15 rounds of 124 grain FMJ 9mm PARA

or 7 rounds of 230 grain FMJ .45 ACP?



CRC
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 12:23:30 PM EDT
15 rounds of 9mm.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 12:37:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/10/2003 12:38:03 PM EDT by Phoenix_III]
Two ways to look at it with various detriments to each

9mm
* 15 rounds, more shots to shoot
* Weaker bullet, 3 or 4 shots before one should/may check to see if the target is 'no longer a threat'
* Better for 'multiple threats' (unrealistic though, but still true)
* Multiple hits (3 or more) will be ammo for the DA to prosecute you, you monster.

45
* Less ammo, 7+1 or so
* More potent round, most conflicts (That even require shooting) are between one bogey, close range, and rarely ever go past a few shots (IE revolvers were adaquate and kind of still are)
* Focus more on focused shots/bullet placement, less likely to spray extra shots and hurt bystanders/ricochet

In all honesty, one would be better off with a .45acp and a mindful of experience to point and shoot accurately.

*abridged, I'm late for class* =)
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 12:50:35 PM EDT
What kind of gun would this be? Hard to believe two guns of the same size would hold 15 rounds of 9mm or 7 rounds of .45.

Most "carry" 9mm's will hold 10 rounds.
Most "carry" .45's will hold 6/7 rounds.(Glock 36, SIG P245, etc.)

If this were the case I would choose the 7 rounds of .45 but if the same gun could hold 15 rounds of 9mm I would take another look at the 9mm.

Another thing is what is the situation? regular everyday CCW? If so then .45
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 12:59:59 PM EDT
7 rounds of 230gr .45ACP......

Reloads are just a mag away.
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 1:20:02 PM EDT
"Get both".
Link Posted: 11/10/2003 2:06:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/10/2003 2:08:55 PM EDT by anothergene]
Switch the 9MM to a hollowpoint in +P, in the summer, I'm in.
The .45 for winter use, even FMJ.
Didn't the .40 cal ever settle this argument?
Oh, oh, here we go...
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 3:30:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Phoenix_III:
Two ways to look at it with various detriments to each

9mm
* 15 rounds, more shots to shoot
* Weaker bullet, 3 or 4 shots before one should/may check to see if the target is 'no longer a threat'
* Better for 'multiple threats' (unrealistic though, but still true)
* Multiple hits (3 or more) will be ammo for the DA to prosecute you, you monster.

45
* Less ammo, 7+1 or so
* More potent round, most conflicts (That even require shooting) are between one bogey, close range, and rarely ever go past a few shots (IE revolvers were adaquate and kind of still are)
* Focus more on focused shots/bullet placement, less likely to spray extra shots and hurt bystanders/ricochet

In all honesty, one would be better off with a .45acp and a mindful of experience to point and shoot accurately.

*abridged, I'm late for class* =)




WTF? Weaker Bullet? Bad shoot - prosecutor dumping on you? Revolvers are kinda still adequate? WTF?

giggle
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 5:06:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SGB:
God created the Earth and Heavens in 7 days.

John Moses Browning borrowed on the idea

give me......... SEVEN

Link Posted: 11/11/2003 5:10:02 PM EDT
15 rounds of 9mm may not be enough.

Two or three of .45 certainly is.

So I'll take the .45's.

CJ
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 5:11:32 PM EDT
I have both.

I choose to carry the Wilson 1911 with 8 + 1, 230 grain hollow point. Two extra mags on my hip.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 5:21:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 5:33:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tivoli410:
What kind of gun would this be? Hard to believe two guns of the same size would hold 15 rounds of 9mm or 7 rounds of .45.


Where have you been hiding? This is the classic .45 vs. 9mm question that is right in there with "double action vs. single action", "weaver vs. isosceles" and "revolver vs. auto"

Full size, single stack .45s (aka the 1911) hold 7 or 8 rounds. Full size, double stack 9mms from Beretta, Sig, CZ, S&W, Ruger and pretty much every body else on the planet except Glock hold 15 if you get a pre-ban magazine or are police/military and can don't have to worry about the ban.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 5:53:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:

Originally Posted By tivoli410:
What kind of gun would this be? Hard to believe two guns of the same size would hold 15 rounds of 9mm or 7 rounds of .45.


Where have you been hiding? This is the classic .45 vs. 9mm question that is right in there with "double action vs. single action", "weaver vs. isosceles" and "revolver vs. auto"

Full size, single stack .45s (aka the 1911) hold 7 or 8 rounds. Full size, double stack 9mms from Beretta, Sig, CZ, S&W, Ruger and pretty much every body else on the planet except Glock hold 15 if you get a pre-ban magazine or are police/military and can don't have to worry about the ban.




Right!

But you didn't answer the question.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 5:57:57 PM EDT
I've stopped carrying my Colt Gold Cup and instead, because of size, I carry a Springfield Ultra-Compact in 9mm - only holds 8 though, but the small footprint does it for me.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 7:12:17 PM EDT
You guys do realize I was asking about FULL METAL JACKET military ball ammunition right?

NOT HOLLOWPOINTS


CRC
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 7:21:16 PM EDT
6 rounds of 45acp and a 1917.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 8:53:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/11/2003 8:54:23 PM EDT by Hoplophile]

Originally Posted By bvmjethead:
Right!

But you didn't answer the question.

And I still haven't. I've got a Kimber 1911, a Beretta 92FS, a Safariland 6004 holster for each and no chance in sight for deciding which I prefer. I tend to lean towards the Kimber for the more powerful round and the fact that I'm a bit more accurate with it, but I'm an okay shot with the Beretta and it does have a big edge in capacity and a slight edge in ammo availability.

Both will get the job done but I guess it really depends on where I'm going and what I plan to do when I get there.
Link Posted: 11/11/2003 11:35:29 PM EDT
I've got a Kimber 1911 BP Ten II with pre-ban 14+1 high caps, so...

15 rounds of .45 :)
Link Posted: 11/12/2003 2:02:32 AM EDT
It is hard to go wrong with 230 gr ball ammo.

Be well!

Link Posted: 11/12/2003 10:25:58 AM EDT
Shot placement and penitration are the keys folks! ALL handgun rounds are poor stoppers......read M. Fackler MD...very enlightening. I'll take the Nine.....while acquiring my AR!!
Link Posted: 11/12/2003 4:19:23 PM EDT
Got both. Tend to carry the .45 more often.
Link Posted: 11/12/2003 5:08:27 PM EDT
The Glock 30 is about the same size as most 9mm pistols yet holds 10 rounds of .45 It's slightly wider width doesn't hamper IWB concealment. I'm very comfortable with it.
Link Posted: 11/12/2003 7:52:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:

Originally Posted By bvmjethead:
Right!

But you didn't answer the question.

And I still haven't. I've got a Kimber 1911, a Beretta 92FS, a Safariland 6004 holster for each and no chance in sight for deciding which I prefer. I tend to lean towards the Kimber for the more powerful round and the fact that I'm a bit more accurate with it, but I'm an okay shot with the Beretta and it does have a big edge in capacity and a slight edge in ammo availability.

Both will get the job done but I guess it really depends on where I'm going and what I plan to do when I get there.



That's a great answer!

I have both a Wilson CQB and a Beretta 92FS. I'm probably more accurate with the Beretta, but that's due to the fact that I've owned it for over 10 years and shot it a zillion times.

I carry the Wilson though cuz of the power of the .45 round.

I'm trying to shoot it often and get better and better with it each time I shoot it.

I really want to take some combat pistol classes at someplace like Blackwater or Thunder Ranch.

I feel the same way you do about keeping both though. I will carry both in a SHTF situation and use the one that's appropriate for the conditions.
Link Posted: 11/12/2003 8:42:12 PM EDT
15 JHP's
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 3:58:20 AM EDT
This is something of a fun question.
The last time a lunatic quadruple murderer escaped from the State pen and was running around the neighborhood, I kept a 1911 on my nightstand loaded with 230 gr. FMJ. BUT, if we were to speak of a hypothetical situation in which I were being chased through a maze by the same lunatic, and I passed a table upon which were each of the two guns in question, I could pick up ONE, but ONLY ONE, which would I choose? I'd probably grab the Hi cap 9!!!!
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 4:18:44 AM EDT
I have picked up both my 45 and my 9mm for carry.

But let me throw this in.. I have a Wilson Rodgers 8rn 1911 mag. So with 1 in the pipe and 8 rn clip, that gives me 9 45's!
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 7:06:36 AM EDT
The 8-shot Smith Model 627: .357 mag. Fire all 8 shots, use a speedloader to reload, then finish off godzilla.
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 10:21:42 AM EDT
I pick option c)

Shot placement.
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 6:19:46 PM EDT
I go with the .45

Keeping in mind, go ahead and carry more than one gun if caliber choice is something that really irks you.

Summertime, probably not, but now that it's starting to get cold I've been experimenting with how comfortable carrying my full size 1911 in holster and my five shot 38spl in my coat pocket on a daily basis.
Once it gets really cold I could easily carry my high capacity SigP226 9mm (15 round 9mm option) as well as my full size Colt 1911 (7 round .45 option). Will I do it? No. But choose just choose the caliber you're comfortable with, it ain't that hard.
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 7:31:17 PM EDT
15 124 grain Gold Dot +Ps out of a CZ-75B. If its a 9mm or a .45 the raging madman gets mozambiqued regardless.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 12:09:38 AM EDT
CRC, why would one be using FMJ in this situation? Its a pretty limited answer, but it comes down to shot placement, IMO.
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