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Posted: 1/28/2006 7:08:29 AM EDT
I have looked around and searched but I can't find what I am looking for.

First off, it looks like most people suppress 9mm and .22. Some say that .45 being dry suppressed is still too loud and you need hearing protection.
What about .40?

I have a Berretta 96 and was thinking about suppressing it but I have no idea where to find a threaded barrel and I have no idea if it could be suppressed enough that you don't need hearing protection.
Maybe a lot of people don't do it because of the way the normal .40 bullet is shaped?

Anyone done a .40???
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 5:09:42 PM EDT
this is a burning question of mine as well
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 1:03:35 PM EDT
Although I don't have a Baretta, or a .40 for that matter, I have used Jarvis barrels in my .45s. They are top quality and have great customer service. Check out Advanced Armament and Bruegger & Thomet for suppressors. I haven't personally used these on a .40, but when fully injected, should take the dbs to a safe level. Keep in mind that you'll lose accuracy and it will never be as quiet as it is in the movies.href=jarvis-custom.com
advanced-armament.com
www.brugger-thomet.ch/
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 1:17:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tacer:
Keep in mind that you'll lose accuracy...



I've never seen a quality suppressor cause accuracy loss. In fact, all of my suppressors have either kept my groups the same size or even tightened them.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 1:32:26 PM EDT
I lost accuracy w/ my Tac. It is possible that it's just the awkwardness of a gun w/ a can. I, by no means, claim to be an expert. Just sharing my personal experience. I'll shoot from a rest next week to verify that it's me rather than the can.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 1:41:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tacer:
I lost accuracy w/ my Tac. It is possible that it's just the awkwardness of a gun w/ a can. I, by no means, claim to be an expert. Just sharing my personal experience. I'll shoot from a rest next week to verify that it's me rather than the can.



It may be possible, but it has never been my personal experience nor have I ever read about it before your post. Point of impact may change between suppressed and unsuppressed, but it shouldn't increase group size.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 5:47:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/4/2006 5:49:30 PM EDT by jimmyjoebob]
i canned a 45 and a 22 at this time, the 45 is a quiet can, but I always run it wet. The 230 grain pill is already a sub sonic round, so no specialty ammo required. With 22s sub sonic ammo is the way to go, there is a big difference between it and hi velocity ammo.

With the 9 you need subsonic 147 grain ammo, a tad more hit to the wallet, but I don't think they get as quiet as the 45s IMHO.

I was looking into a 40, with 180grain loads, its right there at the sub sonic level, I was mid project but dumped it when a 45 can fell in my lap. In theory it should run pretty well, but I haven't found a single person who has one yet, everyone is 22,9 or 45


be the wildcard hop out there!
HTH
James
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 7:34:29 PM EDT
I have a suppressed UMP .40 with an AAC Defender, I would say subjectibely that it sounds the same as a suppressed 9mm whether sub or supersonic ammo is used.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:45:13 AM EDT
since i have never fired a weapon with a suppressor on it, would it be safe to shoot them without hearing protection?

the other issue is I don't want to buy specific sub-sonic ammo. If it was a grain issue say: 165g was not subsonic but 180g was, well then I would just shoot 180. I don't want to buy specific ammo to shoot.

I have a .45 1911 also but I thought that might be too loud. But since you guys are saying that you don't need subsonic ammo for that and a standard 230g round is just fine, I may have to look into that.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 9:05:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jackal2001:
since i have never fired a weapon with a suppressor on it, would it be safe to shoot them without hearing protection?



Yes.


I have a .45 1911 also but I thought that might be too loud. But since you guys are saying that you don't need subsonic ammo for that and a standard 230g round is just fine, I may have to look into that.


230-grain .45 ACP is already subsonic, so no need for special ammo.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:01:57 PM EDT
I put a SOS 45 can on my Springfield Operator, and its a kick butt package, really draws the looks too. I have shot the USP package, but it just didn't blow my skirt up like the 1911 package does, it turns an excellent defensive gun into an excellent offensive weapon.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:26:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jimmyjoebob:
I put a SOS 45 can on my Springfield Operator, and its a kick butt package, really draws the looks too. I have shot the USP package, but it just didn't blow my skirt up like the 1911 package does, it turns an excellent defensive gun into an excellent offensive weapon.



Do you have any pics? What is an SOS can?
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:10:45 AM EDT
sure I can take some pictures this evening, the SOS45 can is made by Gemtech
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:47:48 AM EDT
Ha, no wonder I couldn't find it. It was the SOS was replaced by the blackside.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:05:51 AM EDT
Here's mine. It's a Mark 23 with the SWR HEMS2 suppressor. I recently sent my 1st generation HEMS back to the manufacturer for an upgrade to the latest specs. It is still very loud indoors and you should wear hearing protection. The bullet hitting the backstop is louder than the report, but the blast without earmuffs will still hurt your ears.

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:51:08 AM EDT
very nice.
I am going to start looking at H&Ks if I can find someone locally that carrys them.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:12:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 12:31:54 PM EDT by jimmyjoebob]

Originally Posted By jackal2001:
Ha, no wonder I couldn't find it. It was the SOS was replaced by the blackside.



hmm, just noticed that they are no longer making the SOS, funny as the blackside is cheaper, and a tad shorter, but not by much. Pics in a few

down and dirty no porn pics, but you can see its not a wide as that new Blackside can, and my front sight just clears the top of the can. When shooting a good but, the heat waves will screw with the sight picture, but I can't think of a real reason to change the gun from its present format.




hope this helps
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:43:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 12:45:56 PM EDT by jackal2001]
I was thinking about getting a barrel for this and suppressing this, but it isn't 100% reliable.
It's only a 3.5" barrel but nice and light due to the alloy frame.

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:03:42 PM EDT
nice commando! I haven't seen one in a while

As for a can on it, I don't think it would work with such a short barrel. IIRC its a bull barrel right? I have seen Commanders done and run fine, but who knows on the officers size.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:47:12 PM EDT
This is strait from colts custom shop. They made 250 just like you see it.

I don't know the lingo for handguns like bull barrel but I believe it does.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 5:01:38 AM EDT
Hey jimmyjoebob,
I forgot to ask you something about your operator. I really didn't look at them since I had an ultra compact from springfield and it didn't do much for me.

Looking at the operator, it is very expensive, a little more than a HK USP Tactical. It looks very impressive but how does it perform.

I have been reading that the HKs can go around 24,000 rounds without failure of components. Now I don't know how many consective round they go without FTF or FTE but I hear it is somewhere around 3,000-6,000 or something like that.

How many FTF or FTEs or just failures have you had with your operator if any?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:11:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jimmyjoebob:

Originally Posted By jackal2001:
Ha, no wonder I couldn't find it. It was the SOS was replaced by the blackside.



hmm, just noticed that they are no longer making the SOS, funny as the blackside is cheaper, and a tad shorter, but not by much. Pics in a few

down and dirty no porn pics, but you can see its not a wide as that new Blackside can, and my front sight just clears the top of the can. When shooting a good but, the heat waves will screw with the sight picture, but I can't think of a real reason to change the gun from its present format.
home.midsouth.rr.com/drisdale/pictures/guns/gemtech/gemtech%20001.jpg
home.midsouth.rr.com/drisdale/pictures/guns/gemtech/gemtech%20003.jpg
home.midsouth.rr.com/drisdale/pictures/guns/gemtech/gemtech%20004.jpg

hope this helps



Damn Sexy!!
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 3:49:43 PM EDT
thanks dog
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 3:53:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jackal2001:
Hey jimmyjoebob,
I forgot to ask you something about your operator. I really didn't look at them since I had an ultra compact from springfield and it didn't do much for me.

Looking at the operator, it is very expensive, a little more than a HK USP Tactical. It looks very impressive but how does it perform.

I have been reading that the HKs can go around 24,000 rounds without failure of components. Now I don't know how many consective round they go without FTF or FTE but I hear it is somewhere around 3,000-6,000 or something like that.

How many FTF or FTEs or just failures have you had with your operator if any?



well when it comes to running supressors you can throw all the numbers out the window. The reason is that with supressors, people normally use grease in them to quiet the can even more, with pistol design, the grease will get sucked back through the gun and all over the insides of the weapon. After a while you definately need to clean the gun. The Operator I has is what was called the Milspec Operator. I lucked up into it a while back for $300. Definately a steal of a deal. This is by no means a TRP operator with the bull barrel. The previous owner had it cut for a bomar adjustable rear sight. I gutted the slide and frame and totally rebuilt the pistol including the barrel. I can go into details if you want.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 4:38:27 PM EDT
OK I get it, so it is more of a custom/tuned gun.

Out of the box doesn't apply then. Thanks

I hear people using a capful of water in suppressors. Where does the water go?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 7:17:26 PM EDT
I don't use water, I use lithium grease, it lasts longer but its messy. The best all around substance is believe it or not vaseline. It does not smoke when it burns, but its a pain in the ass to load into the supressor.

And your right, the running joke is we really call it the kimfield whoperator, since it has a several kimber parts( thumb safety and grips), along with KKM match grade barrel( had it opened up a bit to feed anything from good ammo to reloads), Ed Brown, Wilson, Grieder,STI, and the mainspring/laynard combo is from the people that make that 50 GI 1911. So your right, its not near a basic Springfield, but she runs great,and is a head turner for a working gun
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 9:55:02 AM EDT
I am really tempted to look at an operator. Too bad one of my local dealers "had" one, now it is gone.

Anyway, I am going to pick up and check out a HK Tactical and the Operator. The HK may be a little wide for me, but I have to see it first.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:22:22 PM EDT
jimmyjoebob-Do you have any pics of the barrel without the suppressor?

Thanks!!!
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