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Posted: 12/4/2017 4:35:46 PM EDT
I'm considering getting a DW 1911, specifically the Guardian in 9mm. This will be a part time carry piece and I just want a nice 1911 and don't want to spend too much. I already have a Springfield RO elite Champion in 9mm but will probably let that one go and replace it with the DW. I like the SA but by the time I install night sights, replace the ambi safety with a single and do a trigger job, I'm not too far from the DW and I would rather have the DW. I got to fondle one today and it is a sweet gun, I really like the bob tail frame and smooth slide. $1450 locally but I'll get a discount with cash. I've got a thing for 1911s and revolvers lately of which I have before but moved to plastic for a few years and now I want back in!

BTW, not my pic, found it in google.
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Link Posted: 12/4/2017 5:16:33 PM EDT
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I would never tell someone not to get a Dan Wesson.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 5:27:35 PM EDT
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If you really want to compare costs, don't forget how much it costs to swap all the MIM out.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 5:34:17 PM EDT
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I suspect you mean from the SA? I believe DW does not use MIM. But you are right.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 5:34:28 PM EDT
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I am not a 1911 fan but the one I did have was a DW. They make a quality pistol. They may cost more but they are worth it,in my opinion.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 5:36:07 PM EDT
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Are you sure you like the bobtail? Many 1911 shooters don't. You lose some of the grip angle, which for me, makes it such a great handling and shooting gun, especially in the lighter recoiling 9mm.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 6:19:19 PM EDT
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Only a question you can answer.
If its what you want it's what you should buy.

I am meh about dan wesson.
They dont have the features i want for that kind of coin.
The whole tight fit thing isn't what i'm after.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 6:41:52 PM EDT
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That's something else I was thinking about but wasn't 100% sure that DW didn't use MIM, honestly, I didn't search it out but I have heard that SA does use MIM. Another bonus for DW.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 6:43:57 PM EDT
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Are you sure you like the bobtail? Many 1911 shooters don't. You lose some of the grip angle, which for me, makes it such a great handling and shooting gun, especially in the lighter recoiling 9mm.
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I like the way it feels in my hand and the idea of it printing less than a standard frame but I have not shot one. The three ranges I go to did not have any bob tail 1911s to rent.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 7:40:44 PM EDT
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Totally worth it.  Incredibly well made for a "production" gun.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 8:11:27 PM EDT
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Where I worked we had very high speed production and packaging machines. We went from forged to MIM on some parts because they cost less and lasted longer after thousands and thousands of cycles. Anyone who still believes in the MIM hysteria is way, way behind the times.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 8:12:57 PM EDT
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I like the way it feels in my hand and the idea of it printing less than a standard frame but I have not shot one. The three ranges I go to did not have any bob tail 1911s to rent.
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I have a bobtail Dan Wesson and I love it. It really doesn't feel that much different than my full grip 1911 but conceals better.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 8:58:35 PM EDT
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I have the Dan Wesson 10MM Silverback. I have other 1911's including Colts. I would absolutely recommend one. If the 9MM is anything like the 10MM in terms of quality, fit and finish, accuracy, of course reliablility, you will be happy you got one. I'm considering another another model DW, I like it so much.
Link Posted: 12/4/2017 9:12:41 PM EDT
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I've shot two different 9mm Guardians and they were both awesome shooters.
I have the 45ACP CBOB and it's awesome. DW is an amazing production 1911. I recommend them highly.
If I had my choice of CCW bobtails, it would be the 9mm Guardian. The CBOB is great, but heavy and I just really like the Guardian.
Link Posted: 12/5/2017 12:49:44 AM EDT
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Yes, Dan Wesson is worth it. Incredible quality for the price, very accurate, and beautiful. I have had 3, I am now down to one, a custom Silverback.



Some groups shot at 15 yards.

Link Posted: 12/5/2017 1:37:48 AM EDT
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Where I worked we had very high speed production and packaging machines. We went from forged to MIM on some parts because they cost less and lasted longer after thousands and thousands of cycles. Anyone who still believes in the MIM hysteria is way, way behind the times.
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For firearm use, MIM is primarily about cost savings.

Some parts in the 1911 are amenable to MIM process, some are not.   Bushings, extractors, thumb safeties have proven to be trouble.   Grip safeties, mainspring housings -- basically large, complex parts with low stress on them are good candidates for MIM.

The case is improved if the part can be re-engineered to bolster weak spots, remove sharp corners, etc.  This isn't really much of an option for the 1911 like it can be on larger machinery.

Heat treating inconsistency and voids/porosity are the dangers of the MIM process.   Buying cheap shitty overseas MIM with dogshit quality control doesn't do a gunmaker any favors in the long run.

If you hold your vendor to high QC standards, or better yet, control the process yourself, you'll have better luck.  Colt uses MIM sears and they have proven to be good parts.    Sometimes bad parts will slip by in spite of everything, especially when you have a part that is prone to have weak spots like the 1911's magazine catch.   Sharp corners and a void in the wrong place means a broken part.

I'm not a guy who will avoid all MIM in a serious duty gun, but I use it where it makes sense, and I try to pick good parts when I do.
Link Posted: 12/5/2017 1:55:25 AM EDT
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I have one,  I had to put it on layaway,  ( yea i know go be poor someplace else )  it was 1700 the most I have ever put into a gun,  its beautiful to me,  so yes I would say get one.
Link Posted: 12/5/2017 2:50:05 AM EDT
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There's no 1911 more worth it than a Dan Wesson.
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Yes, Dan Wesson is worth it. Incredible quality for the price, very accurate, and beautiful. I have had 3, I am now down to one, a custom Silverback.

https://i.imgur.com/BQDZJwL.jpg

Some groups shot at 15 yards.

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Very nice, aren't those 10mm? I would love a 10mm 1911 but that'll have to wait a while.
Link Posted: 12/5/2017 8:14:59 AM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254919/IMG_4065-381536.JPGI have one,  I had to put it on layaway,  ( yea i know go be poor someplace else )  it was 1700 the most I have ever put into a gun,  its beautiful to me,  so yes I would say get one.
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Nice, I really like the grips. If I get this Guardian, which it looks like I will, I would like to swap out the wood grips for the VZ grips you have.

Edit: nothing wrong with a layaway. I have a "gun fund" and sometimes that means putting a gun on layaway to make sure it doesn't get sold while I move something else.
Link Posted: 12/5/2017 9:58:17 AM EDT
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Dan Wesson's, over priced junk. Just save your money and get a Taurus.



<a href="https://flic.kr/p/Z8QYZN"></a>20171017_124510

Trying to sell a couple of pistols now to most likely get a Valor in 9mm. Thinking about a Baer, but not entirely convinced a Baer is worth $500 more (Baer charges more for 9mm) than a Valor. There are no MIM parts in a DW. At one point the lower models (Non Valor) had some cast small parts, but not entirely sure that's the case any more.

My Stainless Valor has just a little slide to frame wiggle but is very smooth and has the absolute best trigger on the dozen or so 1911's I have owned. The DT Valor has no play to it but is also very smooth. Neither is super tight like a Baer, they are easy to rack the slide. Accuracy favors my Baer but only slightly, this is offhand so benched who knows.
Link Posted: 12/5/2017 3:02:10 PM EDT
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I have a DW in 10 MM on hold at BGS,  cannot wait to get that one.
Link Posted: 12/5/2017 3:50:42 PM EDT
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I've been shooting 1911s for a long time and I hate the bobtail.
Link Posted: 12/5/2017 9:15:03 PM EDT
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Very nice, aren't those 10mm? I would love a 10mm 1911 but that'll have to wait a while.
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Nope, .45.
Link Posted: 12/5/2017 11:26:18 PM EDT
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http://i.chattypics.com/files/shackbrowseUpload_3t9gm5uvfm.jpg

Picked this one up for $800 on GunBroker.  Can't believe how light it is.  Feels about the same as my Springer compact with bull barrel.
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Picked this one up for $800 on GunBroker.  Can't believe how light it is.  Feels about the same as my Springer compact with bull barrel.
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Damn, $800? That's a freaking steal! Of course now that makes me think they don't hold their value. I tend to trade out pistols alot except for the ones I really like, hopefully the DW will be one that I really like.
Link Posted: 12/6/2017 8:41:13 AM EDT
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Yes.

The DW Guardian 9mm is one of the few handguns I regret selling.
Link Posted: 12/6/2017 9:55:14 AM EDT
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Having bought a DW ECO, I can’t picture myself interested in any other brand.  Colt?  No thanks.
Link Posted: 12/6/2017 10:14:31 AM EDT
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Yep; not a bad choice at all. Proceed.
Link Posted: 12/6/2017 1:41:07 PM EDT
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As you can see, many here recognize DW as making a great pistol for the money.  I have an older Valor.  Great gun.  I've seriously considered a Guardian for the 8-10 oz weight savings (that's quite a bit).  However, after seeing a blued Valor it was clear that when (if) they come out with one in a commander, I'll 'need' one.

I think the hard part is not whether or not to get a DW if you have the coin and want a 1911.  The hard part is deciding if you want the bobbed frame and 9mm.  Some like the bob.. some don't.  As for 9mm, certainly nice for low recoil but the only reports I've seen of a Guardian having reliability issues were in 9mm. Certainly could just be some vague online impression but might be worth a little online research.
Link Posted: 12/6/2017 3:35:15 PM EDT
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As you can see, many here recognize DW as making a great pistol for the money.  I have an older Valor.  Great gun.  I've seriously considered a Guardian for the 8-10 oz weight savings (that's quite a bit).  However, after seeing a blued Valor it was clear that when (if) they come out with one in a commander, I'll 'need' one.

I think the hard part is not whether or not to get a DW if you have the coin and want a 1911.  The hard part is deciding if you want the bobbed frame and 9mm.  Some like the bob.. some don't.  As for 9mm, certainly nice for low recoil but the only reports I've seen of a Guardian having reliability issues were in 9mm. Certainly could just be some vague online impression but might be worth a little online research.
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The Blued Valor is being discontinued so you won't likely see one in Commander length. Dan Wesson may do a custom for you.
Link Posted: 12/6/2017 5:18:27 PM EDT
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I think the hard part is not whether or not to get a DW if you have the coin and want a 1911.  The hard part is deciding if you want the bobbed frame and 9mm.  Some like the bob.. some don't.  As for 9mm, certainly nice for low recoil but the only reports I've seen of a Guardian having reliability issues were in 9mm. Certainly could just be some vague online impression but might be worth a little online research.
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You hit the nail on the head. A friend is really trying to sway me away from the Bob frame, and I'm personally struggling with getting the 9mm or 45acp. I have tons of 9mm ammo but no 45acp so that means I'll have to stock another caliber even then I was considering 38 super but I've never had that caliber and not sure I want a gun that takes a round that's harder to come by. First world problems, eh?
Link Posted: 12/6/2017 6:32:31 PM EDT
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NNNooooooo
Link Posted: 12/6/2017 6:37:33 PM EDT
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http://danwessonfirearms.com/product-category/discontinued/
Link Posted: 12/6/2017 6:53:50 PM EDT
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I have a Dan Wesson CBOB.....not disappointing at all.  

Is it machined tight as hell?  Yep

Does the slide feel like it's on bearings?  Yep

Does it have an awesome trigger?  Yep

Does it feel better in my hand than any other pistol?  Yep

Does is jam up if you get a sliver of lead from a reload wedged in the chamber? Yep

But it's a tightly machined and hand fit 1911......it's not a Glock
Link Posted: 12/6/2017 7:38:13 PM EDT
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For firearm use, MIM is primarily about cost savings.

Some parts in the 1911 are amenable to MIM process, some are not.   Bushings, extractors, thumb safeties have proven to be trouble.   Grip safeties, mainspring housings -- basically large, complex parts with low stress on them are good candidates for MIM.

The case is improved if the part can be re-engineered to bolster weak spots, remove sharp corners, etc.  This isn't really much of an option for the 1911 like it can be on larger machinery.

Heat treating inconsistency and voids/porosity are the dangers of the MIM process.   Buying cheap shitty overseas MIM with dogshit quality control doesn't do a gunmaker any favors in the long run.

If you hold your vendor to high QC standards, or better yet, control the process yourself, you'll have better luck.  Colt uses MIM sears and they have proven to be good parts.    Sometimes bad parts will slip by in spite of everything, especially when you have a part that is prone to have weak spots like the 1911's magazine catch.   Sharp corners and a void in the wrong place means a broken part.

I'm not a guy who will avoid all MIM in a serious duty gun, but I use it where it makes sense, and I try to pick good parts when I do.
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I agree completely. Shitty MIM is just as bad as shitty forged or machined parts.
Link Posted: 12/6/2017 8:13:50 PM EDT
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Dan Wesson is best Wesson
Link Posted: 12/7/2017 7:57:54 AM EDT
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Great shot, did you take that yourself? I just bought a Canon 80D and like to play around.
Link Posted: 12/7/2017 8:28:11 AM EDT
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Where I worked we had very high speed production and packaging machines. We went from forged to MIM on some parts because they cost less and lasted longer after thousands and thousands of cycles. Anyone who still believes in the MIM hysteria is way, way behind the times.
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If you really want to compare costs, don't forget how much it costs to swap all the MIM out.
Where I worked we had very high speed production and packaging machines. We went from forged to MIM on some parts because they cost less and lasted longer after thousands and thousands of cycles. Anyone who still believes in the MIM hysteria is way, way behind the times.
Will gunsmiths do a trigger job on MIM parts?
Link Posted: 12/7/2017 9:17:42 AM EDT
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If you really want to compare costs, don't forget how much it costs to swap all the MIM out.
Where I worked we had very high speed production and packaging machines. We went from forged to MIM on some parts because they cost less and lasted longer after thousands and thousands of cycles. Anyone who still believes in the MIM hysteria is way, way behind the times.
Will gunsmiths do a trigger job on MIM parts?
SACS will, at least on their guns. Have had it done twice with great results, though not a lot of rounds through the pistols.
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Supposedly the Blued Valor's aren't selling well.
I prefer the DT, but buds has the 9mm Blued Valor at under $1,400, so very tempting.
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Supposedly the Blued Valor's aren't selling well.
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I'd be leary of Bud's. They've shipped out unadvertised blems.
Link Posted: 12/7/2017 11:50:53 AM EDT
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Great shot, did you take that yourself? I just bought a Canon 80D and like to play around.
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IPhone 4
Sometimes things come together just right

For perspective, different angle, no filter
Link Posted: 12/7/2017 5:09:18 PM EDT
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Sometimes things come together just right

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Ha! That's pretty cool.
Link Posted: 12/7/2017 9:30:57 PM EDT
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The best dollar-to-quality ratio of any production 1911 on the market.  They are fine pistols.
Link Posted: 12/7/2017 10:09:54 PM EDT
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I've owned various Colts and Kimbers. I got rid of all of them as well as all .45 ACP 1911 pistols. I have two Dan Wessons in 10mm and one NHC 10mm 911. The Dan Wessons are good 1911 pistols. Better than any Colt. I got a DW Silverback off of Gunbroker brand new and is one of their Blemished pistols that was $400 less then non-Blemished pistols. The only difference is that there is a tiny knick about the size of the head of a needle. My other one is a Specialist Commander.

The Silverback has been flawless out of the box with every ammo brand I have fired including good, full house Underwood Ammo loads and the garden variety low power Federal 10mm rounds. The Specialist Commander is a little finicky and obviously needs to be broken in, unlike the Silverback. If I was you, I would get rid of the Springfield and get the DW of your choice. See if they're available under the Blemished guns, because they are brand new in the box guns and are covered under the warranty for everything except cosmetics and sell for several hundred dollars less for a difficult to see cosmetic blemish.
Link Posted: 12/7/2017 10:14:30 PM EDT
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You hit the nail on the head. A friend is really trying to sway me away from the Bob frame, and I'm personally struggling with getting the 9mm or 45acp. I have tons of 9mm ammo but no 45acp so that means I'll have to stock another caliber even then I was considering 38 super but I've never had that caliber and not sure I want a gun that takes a round that's harder to come by. First world problems, eh?
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I think the hard part is not whether or not to get a DW if you have the coin and want a 1911.  The hard part is deciding if you want the bobbed frame and 9mm.  Some like the bob.. some don't.  As for 9mm, certainly nice for low recoil but the only reports I've seen of a Guardian having reliability issues were in 9mm. Certainly could just be some vague online impression but might be worth a little online research.
You hit the nail on the head. A friend is really trying to sway me away from the Bob frame, and I'm personally struggling with getting the 9mm or 45acp. I have tons of 9mm ammo but no 45acp so that means I'll have to stock another caliber even then I was considering 38 super but I've never had that caliber and not sure I want a gun that takes a round that's harder to come by. First world problems, eh?
If it's between 9mm and 38 Super, I get 38 Super. It's very similar to 9mm, but, more accurate, flatter shooting cartridge. Me, I got rid of all my .45 ACP and moved up to 10mm 1911 pistols. Better ballistics with full power 10mm cartridges than 9mm, .40, .45 ACP, and 38 Super.
Link Posted: 12/7/2017 10:19:32 PM EDT
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Link for closeout blued valor please.....
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I prefer the DT, but buds has the 9mm Blued Valor at under $1,400, so very tempting.
Link for closeout blued valor please.....
Currently $1,371. A 2 star review because some whiny bitch is complaining that he see the silver of the mag sticking out because it's a 10rd mag and DW used a 45acp photo for both guns. LOL
Damn I'm considering pulling out the CC for that one. Wonder if the blued versions are fitted differently or tighter than the duty treated stainless versions. I could get that one, shoot it for awhile then send it in for DT and be nearly the cost of a DT version.

Blued 9mm Valor

Edit: DW emailed me back stating there is no build difference between the blued and DT Valor's and the blued valor cannot be later DT.
Link Posted: 12/9/2017 3:23:53 AM EDT
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This thread may end up costing me money. I love my 45 valor, didn’t know that 10mm had been added to standard production. I see a 10mm DT Valor in my near future....
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I prefer the DT, but buds has the 9mm Blued Valor at under $1,400, so very tempting.
I'd be leary of Bud's. They've shipped out unadvertised blems.
I've gotten burned by Buds on 2 separate occasions with the little bait and switch pony show the Fuck-Tards at Bud's are so used to putting on... Fuck Buds!

I've had great experience with Springfield OP. I've had 4 of them, all "NM" prefix serial numbered pistols. We put on average about 3000 rounds a year thru our 1911's though the Operator Champion, is the only Springfield I have left. They get/got shot a lot and never a fail. I'm all 9mm and .45ACP except for an M&P40c that I can't bear to part with. But I need a 4" 9mm 1911 to go with the 4" Springer Champion in .45ACP. After fingerbanging Wesson's for a while and with all the good talk on here for years about them... It will be a DW Guardian.
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