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Posted: 8/7/2017 4:10:24 PM EDT
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This appears to be a problem. If these tests are legit, which they look to be, it's only gonna be a matter of time before someone gets shot. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 4:19:01 PM EDT
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Not this again. Awaiting......
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Posted: 8/7/2017 4:38:27 PM EDT
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So, what you are saying is that the 320 is.... a ticking time bomb? |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 4:56:21 PM EDT
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I'll just stick with my Glocks and their lack of innovation.
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Posted: 8/7/2017 5:10:22 PM EDT
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I wonder if the increased velocity and resulting force from the additional weight of real ammo would have caused the light trigger to fire also. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 5:33:57 PM EDT
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Should've picked the G19.
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Posted: 8/7/2017 6:38:34 PM EDT
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As a RSO who stands behind shooters on the line I've lost count of how many dropped guns I've seen. That angle is pretty concerning for me. I can usually tell if a longgun is unsteady and might fall but handguns fall from butter fingers or moving range bags, etc around. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 6:48:09 PM EDT
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What the hell are you RO'ing? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a RSO who stands behind shooters on the line I've lost count of how many dropped guns I've seen. That angle is pretty concerning for me. I can usually tell if a longgun is unsteady and might fall but handguns fall from butter fingers or moving range bags, etc around.
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Posted: 8/7/2017 6:57:10 PM EDT
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Velocity would not increase from added weight, but perhaps the impact would be more jarring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if the increased velocity and resulting force from the additional weight of real ammo would have caused the light trigger to fire also. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:29:48 PM EDT
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What the hell are you RO'ing? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a RSO who stands behind shooters on the line I've lost count of how many dropped guns I've seen. That angle is pretty concerning for me. I can usually tell if a longgun is unsteady and might fall but handguns fall from butter fingers or moving range bags, etc around. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:30:17 PM EDT
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Work around a range long enough and you'll see guns dropped, blown up, and otherwise abused. What got me the most was the shooter who turned around to talk to me w/ the gun leveled at me, safety off, and her finger on the trigger. She was excited about having hit the target. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a RSO who stands behind shooters on the line I've lost count of how many dropped guns I've seen. That angle is pretty concerning for me. I can usually tell if a longgun is unsteady and might fall but handguns fall from butter fingers or moving range bags, etc around. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:40:28 PM EDT
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Did I miss the height that the guns were dropped? Obviously 1.8 m is different from 5 m.
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Posted: 8/7/2017 8:14:14 PM EDT
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Waist level. Although from the angle on some of the videos that showed more in the frame it appeared that they might have been dropping them from about thigh level. One poster on pistol forum stated that he was able to replicated the results with a 30 inch drop onto carpet over concrete.
Right now it looks like Sig's show dog has fleas. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 9:02:35 PM EDT
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I still like my gun. Will try not to drop it.
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Posted: 8/8/2017 10:59:17 AM EDT
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I still like my gun. Will try not to drop it. 
That is literally one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Carrying that thing is a liability and you shouldn't do it. If something happens and it goes off and hits someone else your whole life is f**ked. You knew that the gun is potentially dangerous and you chose to carry it anyways... they would take you for everything you are worth and then some. It could easily be brought as a criminal case. I'm not getting into the whole "you should have bought" whatever, but the 320 should be shelved until it is fixed. I will say that the fact that Sig didn't pick up on this during testing is inexcusable. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 11:44:46 AM EDT
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That is literally one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Carrying that thing is a liability and you shouldn't do it. If something happens and it goes off and hits someone else your whole life is f**ked. You knew that the gun is potentially dangerous and you chose to carry it anyways... they would take you for everything you are worth and then some. It could easily be brought as a criminal case. I'm not getting into the whole "you should have bought" whatever, but the 320 should be shelved until it is fixed. I will say that the fact that Sig didn't pick up on this during testing is inexcusable. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 1:09:50 PM EDT
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Calm down Francis.... While it is possible for the P320 to have this issue the chances are very remote for the average carrier lets look at all the other pistols made that can have this same issue that are still carried to this day. The 1911 without a series 80 firing pin block if dropped on the hammer can fire, countless pistols in the previous century were made without drop safeties, and even the new Ruger LCP LCPII does not have striker block drop safety (I have heard no reports of drop fires from them).  , i was unaware that all pistols discharge when dropped. But seriously, i wouldn't carry anything that has a known issue. Do you have any examples of 1911s that go off when dropped or are you just making that claim about all series 70s?
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Posted: 8/8/2017 1:15:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2017 2:05:35 PM EDT
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Thanks Betsy , i was unaware that all pistols discharge when dropped. But seriously, i wouldn't carry anything that has a known issue. Do you have any examples of 1911s that go off when dropped or are you just making that claim about all series 70s?Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thanks Betsy , i was unaware that all pistols discharge when dropped. But seriously, i wouldn't carry anything that has a known issue. Do you have any examples of 1911s that go off when dropped or are you just making that claim about all series 70s?I am not going to say it is as dangerous as a Type 94 Nambu which with enough pressure applied to the side of the pistol would discharge. But let us be reasonable the P320 has been out and sufficient numbers exist on the market that you could draw some conclusions. Is it possible no one yet has dropped their pistol in this manner to have said issue or has it already happened and not come out till just now? While this is a problem it is highly unlikely that it is going to be a problem right now. Should it be fixed yes but should the average guy who only owns 1 pistol the P320 just put it away until it is fixed. I say that is not for me or the internet to decide but the person who owns it to weight his or her options. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 2:37:42 PM EDT
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I'll just stick with my Glocks and their lack of innovation. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 3:33:11 PM EDT
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Has anybody seen Blain?
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Posted: 8/8/2017 5:32:45 PM EDT
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Looks like Sig is issuing a voluntary recall/upgrade.
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Posted: 8/8/2017 6:09:57 PM EDT
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Has anybody seen Blain? 
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Posted: 8/8/2017 9:06:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2017 9:09:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2017 9:58:10 PM EDT
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[youtube]https://youtu.be/Tfe9silCIm8[/youtube]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/W8Oz6krEH_I[/youtube] |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 10:17:13 PM EDT
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Why on Earth is dropping it on the back of the slide not part of any government or industry drop testing???!!! Are we about to see some changes and a whole lot of other pistols failing? |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 10:42:14 PM EDT
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The latest FB stated it can fire just by hitting the rear of the p320 hard. An interesting note is the trigger didn't move when hit by the mallet.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/08/p320-failed-without-even-dropping-no-plans-test/#disqus_thread |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:02:42 AM EDT
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It is part of the testing. The Army made their decision on the 320 before that test was run. They also waited until after the award to do mud, sand and dust, hot and cold testing... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why on Earth is dropping it on the back of the slide not part of any government or industry drop testing???!!! Are we about to see some changes and a whole lot of other pistols failing?
Design flaws will surface as more get issued to the field. Most tests are designed in a lab, Soldiers and Marines are far more creative at making things fail. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 5:19:06 PM EDT
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I like how the beavertail broke off of the X5.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:20:56 PM EDT
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You did not really answer my question though. I said good not great.. The P220/6/7/8/9 are great pistols the P320 potentially can become a great pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wrong. Sig has NOT always made good stuff. Research. When I saw that the P320 looked very similar to the P250, I was immediately turned off from the pistol. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:28:47 PM EDT
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Calm down Francis.... While it is possible for the P320 to have this issue the chances are very remote for the average carrier lets look at all the other pistols made that can have this same issue that are still carried to this day. The 1911 without a series 80 firing pin block if dropped on the hammer can fire, countless pistols in the previous century were made without drop safeties, and even the new Ruger LCP LCPII does not have striker block drop safety (I have heard no reports of drop fires from them).
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:30:23 PM EDT
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He means the P250 debacle. When I saw that the P320 looked very similar to the P250, I was immediately turned off from the pistol. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:14:12 PM EDT
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I love the mental gymnastics people are trying to jump through in order to try and rationalize this as a non-issue. I was wanting to get into this platform when ghost guns began to offer the 80% frame, but I will have to see how sig handles this issue first (which I am assuming it will be fixed by the time the frame is available). |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:43:23 PM EDT
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I got rid of my sigs. But if someone wants to get rid of their P320 at a quick sale price. Let me know.
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:47:56 AM EDT
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[youtube]https://youtu.be/veI5NsDqG9E[/youtube]
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:04:53 AM EDT
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Velocity would not increase from added weight, but perhaps the impact would be more jarring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if the increased velocity and resulting force from the additional weight of real ammo would have caused the light trigger to fire also. Have we dropped it on a treadmill yet? |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:30:27 AM EDT
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It has been many years since I took physics and I'm a bit rusty. Are we dropping it in a vacuum? Have we dropped it on a treadmill yet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if the increased velocity and resulting force from the additional weight of real ammo would have caused the light trigger to fire also. Have we dropped it on a treadmill yet? |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:47:05 AM EDT
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I love the mental gymnastics people are trying to jump through in order to try and rationalize this as a non-issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Calm down Francis.... While it is possible for the P320 to have this issue the chances are very remote for the average carrier lets look at all the other pistols made that can have this same issue that are still carried to this day. The 1911 without a series 80 firing pin block if dropped on the hammer can fire, countless pistols in the previous century were made without drop safeties, and even the new Ruger LCP LCPII does not have striker block drop safety (I have heard no reports of drop fires from them). This is just about the best entertainment on ARFCOM I have seen in awhile. |
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