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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:13:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:13:29 PM EDT
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Again? How many times they going to recall the P320? This is at least the fourth time in about same amount of days.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:59:37 PM EDT
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dupe
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:07:24 AM EDT
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Thread right below this one says it's more better than glock though.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:22:18 AM EDT
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Sorry for the repost, I only looked in this forum. Didn't think to look in general discussion.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 9:06:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2017 10:00:54 AM EDT
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On a serious note, how does it not have a drop safety? On a more serious note, how come you don't do any research before making frivolous claims? P320 Sig Sauer Safety isn’t negotiable. The P320 maximizes peace of mind with a robust safety system. Never again will you need to pull the trigger to disassemble your pistol. And, while available as an option, you won’t need a tabbed trigger safety for your gun to be drop safe. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 10:23:56 AM EDT
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Fake News
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:07:02 AM EDT
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On a more serious note, how come you don't do any research before making frivolous claims? |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:09:36 AM EDT
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Don't have a p320 but idk how this is possible since it has a firing pin block safety like a glock or 226. I never really cared for the 320 but still i find it hard to believe that it can fire when dropped unless there was a serious issue where the firing pin safety somehow became lodged in the slot.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:13:12 AM EDT
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The sig owners manual says the firearm may fire if dropped...... |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:29:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:35:22 AM EDT
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The sig owners manual says the firearm may fire if dropped...... I forget which firearm's company has it in the owner's manual, but one states not to load the gun until its ready to fire. So can't carry that one with a round in the chamber cause the owner's manual says so. herp derp. Or lets go back to the SIG P320. right above the blanket warning for dropping ANY loaded firearm, it states "Always wear safety glasses and hearing protection". Shit, Dallas PD better add eye wear and ear muffs to their standard duty uniform. Also hope they don't use the radio in their patrol cars while the transmission is in drive, cause that's against the owner's manual. More herp derp. I hope some of you guys are just being petty and not this stupid, but I'm probably wrong. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:35:52 PM EDT
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Do you ever read the owner manuals to all the products you purchase? They are written by lawyers, not engineers. I forget which firearm's company has it in the owner's manual, but one states not to load the gun until its ready to fire. So can't carry that one with a round in the chamber cause the owner's manual says so. herp derp. Or lets go back to the SIG P320. right above the blanket warning for dropping ANY loaded firearm, it states "Always wear safety glasses and hearing protection". Shit, Dallas PD better add eye wear and ear muffs to their standard duty uniform. Also hope they don't use the radio in their patrol cars while the transmission is in drive, cause that's against the owner's manual. More herp derp. I hope some of you guys are just being petty and not this stupid, but I'm probably wrong. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:48:03 PM EDT
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It says ANY firearm can fire if dropped. They are making a blanket statement. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:12:38 PM EDT
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It says THIS firearm can fire if dropped.....it ALSO says ANY firearm can fire if dropped. Those are two separate statements, the latter of which is just puffing.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:19:03 PM EDT
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You sir are a liar. This is exactly what it says in the P320 owner's manual. Stop the bullshit. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/461605/Capture-271464.JPG 
I never read the safety manuals. Do other guns come with this warning in their manuals? |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:23:10 PM EDT
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That's weird, this is pg 25 as well. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/P320-660x319.jpg I never read the safety manuals. Do other guns come with this warning in their manuals? |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:24:51 PM EDT
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You sir are a liar. This is exactly what it says in the P320 owner's manual. Stop the bullshit. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/461605/Capture-271464.JPG 
It plainly says if dropped the pistol may fire.....Then it says ANY firearm may fire if dropped. Two different statements. There is no way that Sig has drop tested and caused a drop fire in EVERY firearm ever manufactured. That statement is sales puffing and nothing more. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:27:08 PM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/HcEstYD.jpg It plainly says if dropped the pistol may fire.....Then it says ANY firearm may fire if dropped. Two different statements. There is no way that Sig has drop tested and caused a drop fire in EVERY firearm ever manufactured. That statement is sales puffing and nothing more. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:27:12 PM EDT
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You claimed it was frivolous for the above poster to claim the Sig did not have a drop safety. If it has a drop safety then it cant fire if dropped.....now you say ANY firearm can fire if dropped. Which is it? Yep, I said it was frivolous of the OP to make easily disprovable statements about the P320. I make no claims about ANY firearms firing when dropped and that was not my statement. No claim, was only referencing a place in the Sig P320 owner's manual and I think you know that. 
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:27:57 PM EDT
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Where did you get that? It's not in the one I just downloaded off Sig's website? Looks like a "chop". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's weird, this is pg 25 as well. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/P320-660x319.jpg I never read the safety manuals. Do other guns come with this warning in their manuals? 
Did you read the link the OP posted? 
It actually tells you where I got it in your quote |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:31:37 PM EDT
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Did you read the link the OP posted? 
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:36:01 PM EDT
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That is exactly what the owner's manual looks like from the P320 I purchased in June. It was a January 2017 build. SIG seems to be changing their web based documents. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:39:11 PM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/HcEstYD.jpg That is exactly what the owner's manual looks like from the P320 I purchased in June. It was a January 2017 build. SIG seems to be changing their web based documents. 
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:42:37 PM EDT
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Please show me the entire Sig owner's manual that has that listed? I can certainly send you the one I just downloaded from Sig's website and not a pic off of some Internet blog link. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did you read the link the OP posted? 
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:44:00 PM EDT
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This whole discussion is retarded. These 2 320 threads should be nuked
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:48:10 PM EDT
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This whole discussion is retarded. These 2 320 threads should be nuked |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:57:55 PM EDT
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This whole discussion is retarded. These 2 320 threads should be nuked |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:11:12 PM EDT
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You are being petty. Yep, I said it was frivolous of the OP to make easily disprovable statements about the P320. I make no claims about ANY firearms firing when dropped and that was not my statement. No claim, was only referencing a place in the Sig P320 owner's manual and I think you know that. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:15:16 PM EDT
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Let's deal with the facts.
DPD has said they have not had an incident of a drop fire. Sig has said they are looking into DPD concerns. Now for a rumor I saw in another thread by someone who claimed to know several officers, talked to several Sig reps, and had seen the entire email chain. He mentioned that someone high up in the DPD saw a failed drop test video on YouTube and immediately issued the email with no follow up or checking to see if the video was real or fake or repeatable by other testers. Now for my knowledge, I drop tested my P320 several times the other night using the same variables as the video, except for the primed cartridge, and not after any of my drops did the trigger need to be reset. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:19:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:21:00 PM EDT
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I just don't think its frivolous at all to say the sig 320 doesn't have a drop safety. It doesn't matter which version of the owners manual you look at, it still says it is possible for the Sig 320 to fire if dropped. The Dallas Police have obviously corroborated that the Sig 320 can possibly fire when dropped. If a firearm has a "drop safety", shouldn't it not fire when dropped. I think a reasonable person could certainly infer from the owners manual, and the incident with the Dallas Police that the sig 320 does indeed lack a drop safety, or at the least, that if does have some type of drop mechanism, it is susceptible to malfunction. 
Do you understand what a drop safety is? (General knowledge question) Do you understand how the drop works on a P320? (Specific knowledge question) These questions have nothing to do with the owner's manual. If you understood the basic answers to these questions, this entire argument becomes very silly indeed. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:27:04 PM EDT
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XM17, man. Best gun for the job.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:31:29 PM EDT
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Sigh...I thought you were being petty, I guess not.
Do you understand what a drop safety is? (General knowledge question) Do you understand how the drop works on a P320? (Specific knowledge question) These questions have nothing to do with the owner's manual. If you understood the basic answers to these questions, this entire argument becomes very silly indeed. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:34:16 PM EDT
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I just don't think its frivolous at all to say the sig 320 doesn't have a drop safety. It doesn't matter which version of the owners manual you look at, it still says it is possible for the Sig 320 to fire if dropped. The Dallas Police have obviously corroborated that the Sig 320 can possibly fire when dropped. If a firearm has a "drop safety", shouldn't it not fire when dropped. I think a reasonable person could certainly infer from the owners manual, and the incident with the Dallas Police that the sig 320 does indeed lack a drop safety, or at the least, that if does have some type of drop mechanism, it is susceptible to malfunction. One person saw a suspect video showing a failed drop test by an unknown individual with no context then ordered the gun pulled. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:35:56 PM EDT
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But But Muh Sig! If this was reverse and it was Glock you would have the same guys arguing just opposite of this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This whole discussion is retarded. These 2 320 threads should be nuked I just don't think the XM17 tests were thorough enough. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:44:08 PM EDT
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They didn't corroborate anything. One person saw a suspect video showing a failed drop test by an unknown individual with no context then ordered the gun pulled. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:46:05 PM EDT
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I hope when sig reads my posts to try to arock me again they will at least be intellectually honest with my stances. I figure every 3-4 p320 posts I need to let them know that I do honestly like the p320 ok and do not hesitate to show and sell them. I just don't think the XM17 tests were thorough enough. I love these thread because it brings out the haters and fanboys which gives me a good laugh with their logic on why they want to put down a brand or model pistol or those who put it on a pedi stool. For me I like lots of different pistols I have even had a hankering to get a 92/M9 style pistol since they release the G conversions for them and the A3 grip is hugely improved. Right now I am on a CZ hipster itch. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:51:56 PM EDT
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I avoid drawing lines in the sand on brands. I personally do not like the XD but do I avoid telling people about the pistol no. The P320 is an interesting case I still do not know how I feel about it. I have shot them they shoot fine they feel ok in my hand but something about them does not light my fire or give me the warm fuzzy feeling inside. The P226/8/9 on the other hand do get me going I like the P22x pistols and want to eventually have a P227. But the P320 I just cannot place what it is about the pistol. I do not dislike the gun or shot it bad by any means I can shoot it quite well. I love these thread because it brings out the haters and fanboys which gives me a good laugh with their logic on why they want to put down a brand or model pistol or those who put it on a pedi stool. For me I like lots of different pistols I have even had a hankering to get a 92/M9 style pistol since they release the G conversions for them and the A3 grip is hugely improved. Right now I am on a CZ hipster itch. 
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:05:49 PM EDT
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Because pistols are commonly dropped on their muzzle.... happens all the time.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:11:10 PM EDT
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Did the Dallas Police Pull the Sig 320? http://www.dictionary.com/browse/corroborate They did no such thing. They didn't conduct any testing and they didn't experience any issues. Your either being intentionally obtuse or incorrectly misusing big words to in an attempt to sound smart. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:12:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDid you cut the slide stop off? It's one of the main reasons I didn't stick with Sigs.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:32:28 PM EDT
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I'm taking issue with you using the word "corroborate" http://www.dictionary.com/browse/corroborate They did no such thing. They didn't conduct any testing and they didn't experience any issues. Your either being intentionally obtuse or incorrectly misusing big words to in an attempt to sound smart. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:47:32 PM EDT
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Did you cut the slide stop off? It's one of the main reasons I didn't stick with Sigs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:53:55 PM EDT
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Again did the Dallas Police pull the Sig 320? The reason they pulled it is in dispute. But once again, they did not "corroborate" the drop safety issues. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:57:52 PM EDT
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Yes. But that's not in dispute. The reason they pulled it is in dispute. But once again, they did not "corroborate" the drop safety issues. We then asked for any information about if a P320 failed and under what conditions, Debra Webb with the Dallas Police Department responded with the following reply to our email. "The department was notified that Sig Sauer identified a defect in the P320 handgun that could cause the weapon system to go off when dropped. Please check with Sig Sauer for more information about the defect." |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 5:24:28 PM EDT
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SIG SAUER Reaffirms Safety of P320 Pistol
Striker-fired pistol exceeds safety standards of ANSI/SAAMI® and U.S. military testing Newington, NH (August 4, 2017) – In response to social media rumors questioning the safety of the P320 pistol, a variant of which was selected by the U.S. government as the U.S. Army’s Modular Handgun System (MHS), SIG SAUER, Inc. has full confidence in the reliability, durability and safety of its striker-fired handgun platform. There have been zero (0) reported drop-related P320 incidents in the U.S. commercial market, with hundreds of thousands of guns delivered to date. The P320 meets and exceeds all U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI), as well as rigorous testing protocols for global military and law enforcement agencies. All SIG SAUER pistols incorporate effective mechanical safeties to ensure they only fire when the trigger is pressed. However, like any mechanical device, exposure to acute conditions (e.g. shock, vibration, heavy or repeated drops) may have a negative effect on these safety mechanisms and cause them to not work as designed. This language is common to owner’s manuals of major handgun manufacturers. As a result, individual attempts to perform drop tests outside of professionally controlled environments should not be attempted. “SIG SAUER is committed to producing only the finest products,” said Ron Cohen, President and CEO of SIG SAUER. “Safety and reliability have been and always will be paramount to the SIG SAUER brand.” |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 5:30:37 PM EDT
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http://www.tactical-life.com/news/sig-sauer-p320-dallas-pd/#sig-p320-2
Tactical-Life.com has confirmed that the Dallas Police Department’s suspension of use of the Sig Sauer P320 was based on a miscommunication of a non-existent defect.
A blog by the name of GunMagWarehouse.com erroneously reported that there had been a Dallas PD training incident involving Sig Sauer P320. Specifically, the blog stated that the pistol “discharged as a result of being dropped during training,” which was far from the truth. “The Dallas Police Department has not tested the P320 and has had no issue with the P320,” Sig spokesman Jordan Hunter told Tactical-Life. There was never a “defect” with the P320. The confusion stemmed from an out-of-date manual that was given to the Dallas Police Department’s new lieutenant, according to Hunter. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 5:46:53 PM EDT
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http://www.tactical-life.com/news/sig-sauer-p320-dallas-pd/#sig-p320-2 Tactical-Life.com has confirmed that the Dallas Police Department’s suspension of use of the Sig Sauer P320 was based on a miscommunication of a non-existent defect.
A blog by the name of GunMagWarehouse.com erroneously reported that there had been a Dallas PD training incident involving Sig Sauer P320. Specifically, the blog stated that the pistol “discharged as a result of being dropped during training,” which was far from the truth. “The Dallas Police Department has not tested the P320 and has had no issue with the P320,” Sig spokesman Jordan Hunter told Tactical-Life. There was never a “defect” with the P320. The confusion stemmed from an out-of-date manual that was given to the Dallas Police Department’s new lieutenant, according to Hunter. 
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