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Posted: 8/1/2017 1:12:24 AM EDT
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It's horrible...but if I had to shoot someone in my house I'm sure auditory exclusion will take over for a few seconds, and no louder than a 5.56 indoors. Something like that is so unlikely to happen I don't even consider it in caliber options.
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Posted: 8/1/2017 1:29:27 AM EDT
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I was thing more like men that wish they were well endowed and where compensating. If you look at 10mm objectively it has potential. It can do many jobs fairly well, ie jack of all trades, though IMHO master of very few. The biggest problem with 10mm Auto is the fanboys. They hype the round so much that it does a disservice to those that look for honest information on the cartridge. I trust a hot 200gr XTP to break bones and penetrate more reliably than a 9mm, but I admit it is still a handgun and 9mm also does well. I also never tell people to get a 10mm unless they researched it and are excited about it. It can also do double duty as you said. Not a .44 mag, but an ok choice for hiking in hog or bear country. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 9:18:06 AM EDT
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I get what you're saying, i think. I trust a hot 200gr XTP to break bones and penetrate more reliably than a 9mm, but I admit it is still a handgun and 9mm also does well. I also never tell people to get a 10mm unless they researched it and are excited about it. It can also do double duty as you said. Not a .44 mag, but an ok choice for hiking in hog or bear country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was thing more like men that wish they were well endowed and where compensating. If you look at 10mm objectively it has potential. It can do many jobs fairly well, ie jack of all trades, though IMHO master of very few. The biggest problem with 10mm Auto is the fanboys. They hype the round so much that it does a disservice to those that look for honest information on the cartridge. I trust a hot 200gr XTP to break bones and penetrate more reliably than a 9mm, but I admit it is still a handgun and 9mm also does well. I also never tell people to get a 10mm unless they researched it and are excited about it. It can also do double duty as you said. Not a .44 mag, but an ok choice for hiking in hog or bear country. 
Yeah the .400 200 gr XTP do a nice job. I have never recovered one as they have always passed through everything I have shot so far. The top doe was shot through the shoulder blade and spine and the bullet still exited. But I did not buy a 10mm as a hunting handgun. I bough this as a competition handgun that was used for USPSA Revolver division. I later decided to try my hand has hunting with a handgun and this was the best choice of what I had in the gun cabinet winning out over 357 Mag and 45 ACP (all revolvers). If I was buying a hunting handgun it would be in 44 Mag or maybe 41 Mag but 10mm gets the job done on whitetails. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:40:00 AM EDT
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Nobody wants the caliber unless they have a gun to shoot it out of and the ammo is reasonable........... Tony |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 7:07:30 PM EDT
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It's horrible...but if I had to shoot someone in my house I'm sure auditory exclusion will take over for a few seconds, and no louder than a 5.56 indoors. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 9:29:16 PM EDT
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No such thing, sir. Hearing cannot shut down, it's "on" all the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's horrible...but if I had to shoot someone in my house I'm sure auditory exclusion will take over for a few seconds, and no louder than a 5.56 indoors. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 12:38:36 AM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/l48IrH7.jpg Yeah the .400 200 gr XTP do a nice job. I have never recovered one as they have always passed through everything I have shot so far. The top doe was shot through the shoulder blade and spine and the bullet still exited. But I did not buy a 10mm as a hunting handgun. I bough this as a competition handgun that was used for USPSA Revolver division. I later decided to try my hand has hunting with a handgun and this was the best choice of what I had in the gun cabinet winning out over 357 Mag and 45 ACP (all revolvers). If I was buying a hunting handgun it would be in 44 Mag or maybe 41 Mag but 10mm gets the job done on whitetails. I just looked at Underwood's standard pressure .44 magnum load, it's 300gr at 1300fps while their 10mm is 200gr at 1250fps. Quite a bit more power lol. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 2:05:04 PM EDT
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Physiologically true. Psychologically, auditory exclusion is real. I crashed an airplane on take-off earlier this year, I watched the prop dig into the ground and sling rocks and gravel everywhere, but I don't recall hearing anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's horrible...but if I had to shoot someone in my house I'm sure auditory exclusion will take over for a few seconds, and no louder than a 5.56 indoors. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 2:14:28 PM EDT
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In the words of LL Cool J. ""Don't call it a comeback. I've been here for years"
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Posted: 8/3/2017 2:24:15 PM EDT
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No such thing, sir. Hearing cannot shut down, it's "on" all the time. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 6:29:32 PM EDT
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In the words of LL Cool J. ""Don't call it a comeback. I've been here for years" |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 7:59:23 PM EDT
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AE is true. Got a cop buddy who pounded a guy twice with an 870 inside a closed garage. I asked about how loud it was. He explicitly told me he never heard a sound. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:33:28 PM EDT
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Sort of true. What he didn't do was "realize" there was a sound. His hearing still suffered physically. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AE is true. Got a cop buddy who pounded a guy twice with an 870 inside a closed garage. I asked about how loud it was. He explicitly told me he never heard a sound. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 8:59:23 AM EDT
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From what I've read, the Sig ammo is decently hot range stuff. I bought some yesterday along with some Remington I know will be weak, just to compare. Another "factory" load that's full power is supposed to be the Federal Trophy Bonded. Then there's Buffalo Bore, underwood, and Doubletap. I'm gonna get a 6" barrel to shoot some of the 220 Gr. Hard cast out of to test. My thoughts.....what will kill a bear, will probably work in the house. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what's a decent factory 10mm cartridge to stockpile? I picked up a glock 20 in trade this weekend and I want to order a case of something that isn't just a little longer 40S&W. Another "factory" load that's full power is supposed to be the Federal Trophy Bonded. Then there's Buffalo Bore, underwood, and Doubletap. I'm gonna get a 6" barrel to shoot some of the 220 Gr. Hard cast out of to test. My thoughts.....what will kill a bear, will probably work in the house. Sig's V-Crown "defensive" 10mm though, that's another story. It's very inconsistent...I've shot 40 rounds of their 10mm and 100 of their 38 Super and the issue is the same - some rounds will be very inconsistent with regards to velocity and recoil...very light loads. I had several issues with my 38 Super 1911 not cycling with the ammo, and had two failures to fully cycle with the 10mm in a P220. Both times in 10mm it was just enough to open the action and eject the spent case but the breechface barely cleared the mag, and didn't have enough velocity behind it to push the round into the chamber...it basically locked the gun open, resting on the next round in the mag. Yanking back the slide and releasing chambered the round. No, the slide stop was not engaged either time; the slide wasn't back far enough for that. I'd use the Sig ball for practice but I wouldn't trust their V-Crown for EDC... Edit - It worked fine with American Eagle's 10mm-lite load, Sig's ball load, and 25 rounds of Double-Tap 180gr...the only chokes I had on the gun were from Sig V-Crown rounds. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 9:47:37 AM EDT
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Maybe, maybe not. They never rang, and they actually tested his ears afterwards. No loss. Guess it can all be different. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AE is true. Got a cop buddy who pounded a guy twice with an 870 inside a closed garage. I asked about how loud it was. He explicitly told me he never heard a sound. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 8:09:35 PM EDT
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There's no "maybe" about it, your brain cannot reduce the amount of pressure your ears are subjected to. You suffer damage whether you realize it or not. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:23:37 AM EDT
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I don't have a chrono, but seems like I saw it on YouTube. It may not be scientific, but I was gonna try to go off of feel, here in the beginning. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 10:37:54 AM EDT
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Do you have some valid point of 10mm interest? Are you a ENT? If not go argue elsewhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's no "maybe" about it, your brain cannot reduce the amount of pressure your ears are subjected to. You suffer damage whether you realize it or not. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:32:13 AM EDT
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That's not a rebuttal of the facts I stated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's no "maybe" about it, your brain cannot reduce the amount of pressure your ears are subjected to. You suffer damage whether you realize it or not. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:07:07 PM EDT
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Is there anything available with >8rd mag capacity?
I see the Dan Wesson and P220 are both 8rd. Also, not interested in Glocks. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:23:36 PM EDT
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Is there anything available with >8rd mag capacity? I see the Dan Wesson and P220 are both 8rd. Also, not interested in Glocks. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:33:26 PM EDT
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All we need is an M&P or P320 or something chambered in it and it will catch fire big time I think 
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:37:25 PM EDT
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EAA Witness holds 15. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:59:27 PM EDT
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10mm is to modern times what the .45 Acp used to be, but more practical.
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Posted: 8/13/2017 9:44:47 AM EDT
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Grand Power P40 in 10mm. Holds 14 rounds.
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Posted: 8/16/2017 3:22:04 PM EDT
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Does it seem the big 10 is making a comeback? * * * Although the 10mm-haters will try to deny it, the 10mm has been in resurgence since at least the early 2000s, and arguably a bit earlier. There were several so-called "boutique" firms that kept REAL10mm factory ammo alive during the dark years (with at least one or two hot loads), when the Big Three's 10mm ammo was nothing more than .40-level shit loaded into a longer case. Theirs was, and still is mostly, over-priced crap masquerading as "10mm" ammo - in name only. Said firms back then were ProLoad, CorBon, Georgia Arms, and Texas Ammo Co. The owner of this last one (TAC) publicly said he wanted his 10mm ammo to be loaded to "the full potential of the cartridge," as original conceived. Later, about 2004, Mike McNett started Double Tap ammo out of his garage. There was also Reed's Ammo and a few others, ... who, sensing the increasing market for REAL 10mm ammo, started up small ammo companies to satisfy that demand. The rest, as they say, is history - - - -> Buffalo Bore, Underwood, et al. |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 9:36:22 PM EDT
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I pick up my G20 g4 tomorrow
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Posted: 8/17/2017 12:59:33 AM EDT
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Is there anything available with >8rd mag capacity? I see the Dan Wesson and P220 are both 8rd. Also, not interested in Glocks. 
I feel it's on the uptick as well. Hornady Critical Duty might be considered 40+p but the 10mm has the best numbers in their whole lineup. |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 1:32:09 AM EDT
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10mm Long & Weak?
No thanks, no point with the current anemic factory loadings. |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 5:09:58 AM EDT
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10mm Long & Weak? No thanks, no point with the current anemic factory loadings. There's plenty of correctly powered stuff out there. Sig ammo is just one example, and their 180gr ball ammo at 1200fps is dirt cheap compared to pretty much everything else. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:27:24 PM EDT
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I like the 10mm in general but for me personally, I have no use for it. I've owned a number of them and I may pick up another some day, but here's why I can't find a use for it. First, I've consolidated down to only .40 S&W and .41 Mag, I feel those two cover anything I'd ever need covered. The .40 for social work and the .41 Mag when I want bigger power.
I can reload the .40 for a good bit cheaper than 10mm, mainly because there's so much .40 brass and all you have to do is pick it up, which isn't something that happens too often with 10mm. The big problem with the 10mm for me is that I can also load the .40 S&W to give me 10mm like ballistics, as a Glock 35 can rather easily shoot a 180gr past 1300 fps, and a 200gr that fast if you use a 6" bbl. The .41 Mag takes over from there, neither the .40 or 10mm can touch a .41 Mag in terms of performance. I guess that's why I can't find an actual use for the 10mm that I don't already have covered with the .40 S&W and .41 Magnum. I do sort of want the new Ruger SR1911 in 10mm, but really I just wish they offered it in .40. |
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Posted: 8/29/2017 9:51:09 AM EDT
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I like the 10mm in general but for me personally, I have no use for it. I've owned a number of them and I may pick up another some day, but here's why I can't find a use for it. First, I've consolidated down to only .40 S&W and .41 Mag, I feel those two cover anything I'd ever need covered. The .40 for social work and the .41 Mag when I want bigger power. I can reload the .40 for a good bit cheaper than 10mm, mainly because there's so much .40 brass and all you have to do is pick it up, which isn't something that happens too often with 10mm. The big problem with the 10mm for me is that I can also load the .40 S&W to give me 10mm like ballistics, as a Glock 35 can rather easily shoot a 180gr past 1300 fps, and a 200gr that fast if you use a 6" bbl. The .41 Mag takes over from there, neither the .40 or 10mm can touch a .41 Mag in terms of performance. I guess that's why I can't find an actual use for the 10mm that I don't already have covered with the .40 S&W and .41 Magnum. I do sort of want the new Ruger SR1911 in 10mm, but really I just wish they offered it in .40. I got to call BS on the 10mm performance in a 40S&W. Please share with us your 40S&W load data, that includes chrono data that replicates 10mm Performance while still staying under SAAMI pressure spec. Heck I will even take 10mm pressures in 40S&W that can achieve the velocities you claim especially with the 200gr bullet. |
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