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Posted: 7/19/2017 7:37:42 PM EDT
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Without going back through the whole thread, at what round count are they cracking? You do have a spare locking block, right? |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 7:44:05 PM EDT
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I just want the 100,000 rounds.
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Posted: 7/19/2017 8:53:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/19/2017 9:58:03 PM EDT
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Easy to change ... drop in.... I kind of drew that conclusion they are pretty much one in the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't say they were drop in. Most people don't have the knowledge to change out wheel bearings either. But that's not a knock on a car needing maintenance. Are all easy to change out Break a safety? That's easy too Or staking, easy Just because it's not fast doesn't mean it isn't easy. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 10:18:14 PM EDT
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HK P30's already gone 90k+ rds in testing! Couldn't imagine my HK P30L failing under ANY count, the Damn gun's built like a tank! |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 10:58:44 PM EDT
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I just want the 100,000 rounds. The simple fact is that any modern handgun from one of the well known "major brands" (certainly any of those in the poll in this thread, plus several others) will out last any of us in normal use with just a modicum of care. I don't see why people get so wound up over questions like this, as in the end it doesn't really matter. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 11:35:26 PM EDT
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I voted Glock. But with the cost of 100,000 rounds of ammo, I'd rather buy something I would enjoy shooting. Or a couple.
I don't see the purpose of this exercise. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 4:40:54 AM EDT
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H&K USP in 9x19 or 40S&W and Mark 23 in 45ACP.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:10:02 AM EDT
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As much as I like Glock, I think the HK, especially USPs, stand a better chance for something like this.
This is for 9mm and 45ACP pistols. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:21:16 AM EDT
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I guess we'll agree to disagree since I still consider 4 swipes with a file easy Or staking, easy Just because it's not fast doesn't mean it isn't easy. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:27:40 AM EDT
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100,000 rounds of 115gr FMJ 9mm is roughly $20,000 assuming brass cases, even wolf steel cased 115gr that is ~$16,000. I think I could afford a few spare parts and even a spare gun or two in my budget if I can afford to buy that much ammo.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:44:52 AM EDT
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You would almost have to be allowed to change some parts, even if it was just springs. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:45:08 AM EDT
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Gen 2 Glock I'm not knocking MIM so no need to enlighten me on its use in airplanes. 
Just saying I prefer Glocks with original (non- MIM) component materials. 
Glock 17 or 19 with regular recoil spring replacement and clean/oil be a good bet. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 1:46:54 PM EDT
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Full size USP 9.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 3:52:45 PM EDT
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No question, Glock. And I'm not even that much of a Glockophile. I like them well enough, own two. But I own lots of other stuff as well.
But for high round count I don't think anything can touch a G17. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 3:54:56 PM EDT
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This. The simple fact is that any modern handgun from one of the well known "major brands" (certainly any of those in the poll in this thread, plus several others) will out last any of us in normal use with just a modicum of care. I don't see why people get so wound up over questions like this, as in the end it doesn't really matter. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 4:10:08 PM EDT
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Let us think average shooter not you or I. I have seen guys who do not even know how to detail strip a Glock even after watching a YouTube video on it. So those guys might have some difficulty fitting or stacking a new part onto a 1911. The vast majority of gun owners do not know how to even field strip a 1911 much less fix one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess we'll agree to disagree since I still consider 4 swipes with a file easy Or staking, easy Just because it's not fast doesn't mean it isn't easy. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 4:20:56 PM EDT
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No argument there. Of course, then even those "drop in" parts don't do the average shooter any good. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 4:31:31 PM EDT
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He just states that when a Glock breaks, it is usually at the ejection port. ... The slide cracks right at the narrow portion at the ejection port. ... Henderson Defense has stated that they run Gen 1 to 4 and they are the most hassle ... Some of the most recent Glocks to fail have done so in the 20,000-30,000 round count range. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without going back through the whole thread, at what round count are they cracking? You do have a spare locking block, right? I can tell you that even though I am not a "Glock guy", it is the most reliable handgun in our inventory and I would trust it with my life. We use Gen1-Gen4 17's on the line and they are the most hassle-free handgun we have. I used my original Gen1 17 when we first opened two and a half years ago and it finally broke about six months ago. When I say broke, Glock's pretty much are the only handgun that suffer a "catastrophic" break. The slide cracks right at the narrow portion at the ejection port. They will continue to fire most of the time but the rounds group at the top right corner of the target. The factory recoil springs are amazing because the just keep going. The Glock gets used probably 10X as much as our Beretta M92's so it's not a fair to say the Beretta is more reliable (see below). We don't use aftermarket slides on our Glocks so I couldn't give you any info those because Glock will replace our cracked slides under warranty. Also, I don't meant to give the impression that breake slides all the time but it would be fair to say that they get at least 100,000 rounds before cracking. Also, do they crack similar to this Beretta?  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 4:47:49 PM EDT
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Poll is not real specific - a Smith and Wesson what? K frame 357 firing full charge ammo or a 617 .22 LR?
Anyway you could shoot 100,000 rounds out of these and they would continue to function. With what accuracy? Anyway the real answer is a mint Sig 210 early 1970's production. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 4:51:34 PM EDT
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Very true. I'm not sure I've shot 100,000 rounds in my life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This. The simple fact is that any modern handgun from one of the well known "major brands" (certainly any of those in the poll in this thread, plus several others) will out last any of us in normal use with just a modicum of care. I don't see why people get so wound up over questions like this, as in the end it doesn't really matter. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:12:01 PM EDT
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Scroll down to 7/20/16 comment from Henderson Defense states slide failures between 20,000 to 30,000 for Glocks
If Zombie apocalypse happens you will have to choose a gun that is battle hardened like the 92FS http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_4/160140_High-round-count-pistols--100-000---observations.html&page=10 |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:12:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:13:00 PM EDT
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This is actually what Henderson posted. Can you post a quote where they say Glock slides are cracking in the 20,000 - 30,000 range? Also, do they crack similar to this Beretta? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2261/92FS-Slide-258822.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without going back through the whole thread, at what round count are they cracking? You do have a spare locking block, right? I can tell you that even though I am not a "Glock guy", it is the most reliable handgun in our inventory and I would trust it with my life. We use Gen1-Gen4 17's on the line and they are the most hassle-free handgun we have. I used my original Gen1 17 when we first opened two and a half years ago and it finally broke about six months ago. When I say broke, Glock's pretty much are the only handgun that suffer a "catastrophic" break. The slide cracks right at the narrow portion at the ejection port. They will continue to fire most of the time but the rounds group at the top right corner of the target. The factory recoil springs are amazing because the just keep going. The Glock gets used probably 10X as much as our Beretta M92's so it's not a fair to say the Beretta is more reliable (see below). We don't use aftermarket slides on our Glocks so I couldn't give you any info those because Glock will replace our cracked slides under warranty. Also, I don't meant to give the impression that breake slides all the time but it would be fair to say that they get at least 100,000 rounds before cracking. Also, do they crack similar to this Beretta? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2261/92FS-Slide-258822.JPG Quoted:
I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:58:07 PM EDT
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If I had to pick just one, it'd be a HK USP 9.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:24:47 PM EDT
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This is actually what Henderson posted. Can you post a quote where they say Glock slides are cracking in the 20,000 - 30,000 range? Also, do they crack similar to this Beretta? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2261/92FS-Slide-258822.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without going back through the whole thread, at what round count are they cracking? You do have a spare locking block, right? I can tell you that even though I am not a "Glock guy", it is the most reliable handgun in our inventory and I would trust it with my life. We use Gen1-Gen4 17's on the line and they are the most hassle-free handgun we have. I used my original Gen1 17 when we first opened two and a half years ago and it finally broke about six months ago. When I say broke, Glock's pretty much are the only handgun that suffer a "catastrophic" break. The slide cracks right at the narrow portion at the ejection port. They will continue to fire most of the time but the rounds group at the top right corner of the target. The factory recoil springs are amazing because the just keep going. The Glock gets used probably 10X as much as our Beretta M92's so it's not a fair to say the Beretta is more reliable (see below). We don't use aftermarket slides on our Glocks so I couldn't give you any info those because Glock will replace our cracked slides under warranty. Also, I don't meant to give the impression that breake slides all the time but it would be fair to say that they get at least 100,000 rounds before cracking. Also, do they crack similar to this Beretta? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2261/92FS-Slide-258822.JPG Quoted:
Some of the most recent Glocks to fail have done so in the 20,000-30,000 round count range. We have at least five Glock down right now because of cracked slides. We've had some of our older models on the line much longer with MUCH higher round counts and didn't suffer from this type of failure. V/R Ron Quoted:
I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:27:05 PM EDT
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I know you mentioned that Glock has one of the better warranties, but how has Beretta been? V/R Ron |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:36:49 PM EDT
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None of the above! To get that kind of round count I would use a Wilson, Nighthawk, Les Baer or Ed Brown. These guns are just broke in at 20,000 rounds. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:38:29 PM EDT
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Glock. They're only semi auto pistol I've seen live on a rental rack and run flawlessly for years and years. They don't care if they're dirty or clean. They don't care if they're lubricated or dry. They just run. They're not the most accurate, or the most ergonomic, but IMO they're good enough w/ the other features.
Although I guess I should add I'm used to Gen 3 mostly. Some Gen2. My experience w/ Gen 4 has been limited. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:50:00 PM EDT
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Like the OP has $20,000 for 100,000 rnds of 9mm anyway.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:35:17 PM EDT
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A P30 or a MK25 would my choice. A 1911 will easily do it too. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:18:28 PM EDT
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I imagine you would have a cracked slide or frame prior to 100K rounds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A P30 or a MK25 would my choice. A 1911 will easily do it too. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:23:06 PM EDT
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Without going back through the whole thread, at what round count are they cracking? You do have a spare locking block, right? I can tell you that even though I am not a "Glock guy", it is the most reliable handgun in our inventory and I would trust it with my life. We use Gen1-Gen4 17's on the line and they are the most hassle-free handgun we have. I used my original Gen1 17 when we first opened two and a half years ago and it finally broke about six months ago. When I say broke, Glock's pretty much are the only handgun that suffer a "catastrophic" break. The slide cracks right at the narrow portion at the ejection port. They will continue to fire most of the time but the rounds group at the top right corner of the target. The factory recoil springs are amazing because the just keep going. The Glock gets used probably 10X as much as our Beretta M92's so it's not a fair to say the Beretta is more reliable (see below). We don't use aftermarket slides on our Glocks so I couldn't give you any info those because Glock will replace our cracked slides under warranty. Also, I don't meant to give the impression that breake slides all the time but it would be fair to say that they get at least 100,000 rounds before cracking. Also, do they crack similar to this Beretta? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2261/92FS-Slide-258822.JPG Quoted:
Some of the most recent Glocks to fail have done so in the 20,000-30,000 round count range. We have at least five Glock down right now because of cracked slides. We've had some of our older models on the line much longer with MUCH higher round counts and didn't suffer from this type of failure. V/R Ron Quoted:
I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing. V/R Ron If I'm not mistaken, NYPD, Great Britain, New Zealand, and Norway are just some of the entities that issue the Glock 17 Gen 4. If there were major issues with it, I wouldn't think we'd see more and more units using it. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:47:51 PM EDT
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That doesn't sound like Glocks in general. It sounds like a very specific set of Glocks. Is this low round count cracking phenomenon being reported anywhere besides that thread? Wouldn't Glock be getting involved like they did with the NYPD years ago? If I'm not mistaken, NYPD, Great Britain, New Zealand, and Norway are just some of the entities that issue the Glock 17 Gen 4. If there were major issues with it, I wouldn't think we'd see more and more units using it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without going back through the whole thread, at what round count are they cracking? You do have a spare locking block, right? I can tell you that even though I am not a "Glock guy", it is the most reliable handgun in our inventory and I would trust it with my life. We use Gen1-Gen4 17's on the line and they are the most hassle-free handgun we have. I used my original Gen1 17 when we first opened two and a half years ago and it finally broke about six months ago. When I say broke, Glock's pretty much are the only handgun that suffer a "catastrophic" break. The slide cracks right at the narrow portion at the ejection port. They will continue to fire most of the time but the rounds group at the top right corner of the target. The factory recoil springs are amazing because the just keep going. The Glock gets used probably 10X as much as our Beretta M92's so it's not a fair to say the Beretta is more reliable (see below). We don't use aftermarket slides on our Glocks so I couldn't give you any info those because Glock will replace our cracked slides under warranty. Also, I don't meant to give the impression that breake slides all the time but it would be fair to say that they get at least 100,000 rounds before cracking. Also, do they crack similar to this Beretta? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2261/92FS-Slide-258822.JPG Quoted:
Some of the most recent Glocks to fail have done so in the 20,000-30,000 round count range. We have at least five Glock down right now because of cracked slides. We've had some of our older models on the line much longer with MUCH higher round counts and didn't suffer from this type of failure. V/R Ron Quoted:
I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing. V/R Ron If I'm not mistaken, NYPD, Great Britain, New Zealand, and Norway are just some of the entities that issue the Glock 17 Gen 4. If there were major issues with it, I wouldn't think we'd see more and more units using it. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 11:02:51 PM EDT
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30,000 rounds is still a pretty high round count. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without going back through the whole thread, at what round count are they cracking? You do have a spare locking block, right? I can tell you that even though I am not a "Glock guy", it is the most reliable handgun in our inventory and I would trust it with my life. We use Gen1-Gen4 17's on the line and they are the most hassle-free handgun we have. I used my original Gen1 17 when we first opened two and a half years ago and it finally broke about six months ago. When I say broke, Glock's pretty much are the only handgun that suffer a "catastrophic" break. The slide cracks right at the narrow portion at the ejection port. They will continue to fire most of the time but the rounds group at the top right corner of the target. The factory recoil springs are amazing because the just keep going. The Glock gets used probably 10X as much as our Beretta M92's so it's not a fair to say the Beretta is more reliable (see below). We don't use aftermarket slides on our Glocks so I couldn't give you any info those because Glock will replace our cracked slides under warranty. Also, I don't meant to give the impression that breake slides all the time but it would be fair to say that they get at least 100,000 rounds before cracking. Also, do they crack similar to this Beretta? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2261/92FS-Slide-258822.JPG Quoted:
Some of the most recent Glocks to fail have done so in the 20,000-30,000 round count range. We have at least five Glock down right now because of cracked slides. We've had some of our older models on the line much longer with MUCH higher round counts and didn't suffer from this type of failure. V/R Ron Quoted:
I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing. V/R Ron If I'm not mistaken, NYPD, Great Britain, New Zealand, and Norway are just some of the entities that issue the Glock 17 Gen 4. If there were major issues with it, I wouldn't think we'd see more and more units using it. Todd Green's Glock 17 Gen 4 endurance test Also, an interesting quote from week 30 of his test. He was at 40,936 rounds and the breakage was a chipped extractor. The Glock, for all its troubles early on, went farther than any other endurance test pistol before it had an actual broken part. The M&P had a trigger spring break at 37,427. The HK45 came next, breaking a trigger spring at just over 35,000. The P30 broke its first trigger spring around 19,000 rounds… that was before I wised up and began replacing the spring every 12.5k instead of the official recommended 25k (which I did for the HK45, as well). |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 11:18:41 PM EDT
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Steel frame 1911's are WAY overrated The military ran out of serviceable steel frame 1911's only a few years after they stopped buying new ones. (And they kept replacing parts until the frames broke) Your run of the mill steel frame 1911 is spent around 60k rounds Modern steel 1911 frames will last way beyond 100K rounds. Metallurgy from 1911 was not near what it is today. I had a Alchemy build me a Colt with a Kart barrel, Harrison FCG and it has seen over 100K rounds, mostly 200gr LSWC. Extractor recently chipped and was replaced with a Colt, drop-in fit. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 11:32:35 PM EDT
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It is not even that the steel frame is overrated it is the staked parts that rattle loose, the extractor that has to have the tension readjusted, the barrel link gives up, or I have seen some with 15-25K the frames are battered to death causing them to crack. Granted I have seen the same thing in the P22x frames that they eventually get battered to death and crack. 100K is a lot to ask of any pistol especially if you the maintenance is lapsed and recoil spring get weak the frames start to get beat to shit. Even the Glock as round counts get higher and higher you run the risk of loosing a slide rail in the frame, the frame cracking, locking blocks giving up, springs are a big issues as mileage increases, extractors chipping\breaking, or even the striker breaking. If the frame is countersunk prior to staking the grip bushings and plunger tube, they won't come off, especially if you use proper grips that are a compressible material and support the plunger tube. Micarta and G-10 grips that don't support the tube, and are too hard to keep the screws from backing out are the main culprit in grip bushing and plunger tube problems. If the slide is machined correctly, with the breech face and extractor tunnel located correctly, a Colt or Wilson Bulletproof extractor will function just fine as a drop-in part. The black-magic associated with extractor tuning stems from out of spec slides. Extractors that need re-tuning, and then break, comes from inertia feeding. Out of time barrel, improper springs, poor magazines cause that. Ejectors won't break or come loose if it's pinned, and not an extended nose. They all give problems eventually. Barrel links and lower lugs won't break off if the barrel is fit correctly. A 1911, properly built from modern ordnance grade steel, is one of, if not the most durable handguns there is. Ultimately, the very best iteration of the 1911 was the 1911. If everything is to the 1911 spec, it a magnificently reliable machine, although not tolerant of modification as the entire machine was designed together. |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 11:36:51 AM EDT
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Glock.
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Posted: 7/23/2017 3:25:36 PM EDT
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There are quite a few handguns that are capable of making it to 100,000 rounds. And more. I have two. One's a Colt. The other is a Glock.
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Posted: 7/27/2017 4:06:35 PM EDT
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Beaded on what the guys from the gun range in vegas are reporting, I'd expect a Glock slide to fail WAY before 100,000 these days.
Beretta or HK if you're going for the ultimate long game like that. Keep fresh recoil springs in them and swap the locking block on the beretta after 25,000rds, and you might be in business. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 9:55:40 PM EDT
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Beaded on what the guys from the gun range in vegas are reporting, I'd expect a Glock slide to fail WAY before 100,000 these days. Beretta or HK if you're going for the ultimate long game like that. Keep fresh recoil springs in them and swap the locking block on the beretta after 25,000rds, and you might be in business. I voted HK. I also think the Beretta would make it with regular locking block replacements. I would probably have voted Glock had I not heard about all those cracked slides in Vegas. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 9:59:41 PM EDT
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Have there been reports of cracked Glock slides somewhere other than BFLV?
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Posted: 7/27/2017 10:04:05 PM EDT
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Some sort of single shot .22LR or blowback .22LR chambered gun
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Posted: 7/28/2017 12:13:16 AM EDT
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None of the above! To get that kind of round count I would use a Wilson, Nighthawk, Les Baer or Ed Brown. These guns are just broke in at 20,000 rounds. 
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Posted: 7/28/2017 9:40:02 AM EDT
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You're describing junk 1911s that aren't timed correctly, poor barrel fit. No I am not. My best friend has a Wilson and NH pistol both have had to go back for extractor tuning and the Wilson had to go back because the plunger tube worked lose. Granted these get the piss shot out of them and carried all the time. If the frame is countersunk prior to staking the grip bushings and plunger tube, they won't come off, especially if you use proper grips that are a compressible material and support the plunger tube. Micarta and G-10 grips that don't support the tube, and are too hard to keep the screws from backing out are the main culprit in grip bushing and plunger tube problems. If the slide is machined correctly, with the breech face and extractor tunnel located correctly, a Colt or Wilson Bulletproof extractor will function just fine as a drop-in part. The black-magic associated with extractor tuning stems from out of spec slides. Extractors that need re-tuning, and then break, comes from inertia feeding. Out of time barrel, improper springs, poor magazines cause that. Extractors lose tension over time that is just part of it always has been and always will be for the internal extractor. Maybe Sig is onto something with their external extractor in their line up I was skeptical at first but two good friends of mine have ridiculous round counts on their Sig 1911s and no extractor issues that usually exhibit on high round count 1911s Ejectors won't break or come loose if it's pinned, and not an extended nose. They all give problems eventually. That statement is totally contradictory of itself. Barrel links and lower lugs won't break off if the barrel is fit correctly. Yes they do it happens even to the best of them. A 1911, properly built from modern ordnance grade steel, is one of, if not the most durable handguns there is. Ultimately, the very best iteration of the 1911 was the 1911. If everything is to the 1911 spec, it a magnificently reliable machine, although not tolerant of modification as the entire machine was designed together. They are machines they will fail and I outlined the most common failures in the 1911. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 8:15:24 PM EDT
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My first choice would be a H&K USP Tactical 9mm. Then I would continue to shoot it worry free for another 3-400,000 rounds. The USP's are the most reliable polymer handguns made period. Federal Ammunition test fired a USP 297,000+ rounds without any breakage. That's about $90,000 in Ammo!
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Posted: 7/28/2017 11:01:31 PM EDT
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My first choice would be a H&K USP Tactical 9mm. Then I would continue to shoot it worry free for another 3-400,000 rounds. The USP's are the most reliable polymer handguns made period. Federal Ammunition test fired a USP 297,000+ rounds without any breakage. That's about $90,000 in Ammo! 45ACP is a comparatively low pressure round. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 11:23:17 PM EDT
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A steel frame full size 1911 in .45 acp.
Of course, the recoil spring will have to be changed out on the proper schedule. I suspect an H&K in .45 acp would be fine as well |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 11:41:43 PM EDT
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Everything you just said is blatantly false. Honestly I do not even know where to begin with a statement like that so much WOWWTF going on.
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Posted: 7/29/2017 11:09:45 PM EDT
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