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Posted: 1/20/2017 11:59:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLooks like you changed the front sight? |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 7:43:03 AM EDT
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Looks like you changed the front sight? No, not yet. I guess the angle makes it look different. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 8:58:34 PM EDT
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Here is a group with a 250gr (253 +/- on my digital scale) Keith-style cast hollow point from GT Bullets. These are sized .432" as available from the GT website.
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Posted: 1/22/2017 9:01:38 PM EDT
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Here's something I shot this afternoon. This is five rounds loaded with Unique and Speer's 4428 210gr Gold Dot for the 44 Magnum. I blurred out the load data because it isn't anything published. I don't think it is necessarily a hot load and is under some published data for other 210gr bullets.
Anyway, this one really bares further messing with. I've loaded up 20 of this same load and will get some chrono data and shoot into gel ASAP. 
As per my usual this is seated at 25 yards with a rolled up jacket for a rest. |
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Posted: 1/24/2017 11:36:27 AM EDT
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Here is some additional gel testing with the Speer 210gr Gold Dot. These are clocking about 1,050fps with a charge of Blue Dot that's a bit over the few published or posted loads I have found for Blue Dot and a 210/215gr bullet.
It looks like these are almost fast enough to be where they need to be to expand properly and reliably. I don't know if I want to go too much farther with Blue Dot and might be better switching to 2400, H110, etc. Here's one in heavy clothing that penetrated in excess of 32" followed by two in bare gel. Penetration in bare gel is around 20" at this speed. 
And then I have another bare gel and heavy clothing shot with the GT Bullets 255gr RN LHP. Again this is a Skeeter charge of Unique with a muzzle velocity of 950fps. I have to say I'm quite surprised with how well these work in the gel. 
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Posted: 1/28/2017 5:35:46 PM EDT
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Have you thought of plugging those hollow points with something?
Like soft rtv or silicone adhesive? 
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Posted: 1/30/2017 9:10:01 AM EDT
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Have you thought of plugging those hollow points with something? Like soft rtv or silicone adhesive? I don't see any reason to. Here's the 255 RN LHP from GT with a Keith-style dollop of 2400. I chrono'ed five of these and the average muzzle velocity is 1,082 fps. Low was 1063 and high was 1091. The primers are pretty danged flat and recoil is a bit on the stout side. If I continue with this bullet and 2400 I'll actually work my way down a bit rather than up. Anyway, the bullet in bare gel expanded probably about as far as it'll go without breaking apart. Penetration was about 12in. Through clothing the bullet still had impressive expansion and just right at 16in of penetration. My previous experimentation with Unique yields 950fps velocity and about 14in in gel. That's probably the load to use since recoil isn't as stiff yet penetration is still darned good. 
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Posted: 1/30/2017 1:32:17 PM EDT
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Ok that's kool too.
I just thought it would be obvious because in a few of your examples, fired threw heavy simulated clothing, the hollow points failed to expand as planed. Something already there to keep that material from plugging the hollow point up. I don't even load 44 special. I do load 45acp and 45 clot. As well as many other smaller cartridges. 9mm,327,32acp, 32l, 38,357, 45c, 45acp. Just bought a Redhawk 45/45acp but am shurly going to just use lighter loads that I developed for my 1858 conversions or 45acp. I don't intend to use either of those for two legged deterrence. Just for fun. For hunting I have a 460V. Interesting and good write up however.
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Posted: 1/30/2017 3:41:48 PM EDT
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The difference seems to be jacketed vs cast. The gun, so far at least, shows a strong preference for lead. My guess (wild ass type) is you have a miss match of cylinder to bore size or a constriction where the barrel passes through the frame and the cast bullets are more forgiving than the jacketed type. Might be interesting to try plated and coated bullets , both being softer than cast commercial bullets. |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 3:53:43 PM EDT
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My guess (wild ass type) is you have a miss match of cylinder to bore size or a constriction where the barrel passes through the frame and the cast bullets are more forgiving than the jacketed type. Might be interesting to try plated and coated bullets , both being softer than cast commercial bullets. It doesn't matter now. That gun is gone back to Ruger. |
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Posted: 1/31/2017 2:44:51 PM EDT
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It doesn't matter now. That gun is gone back to Ruger. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My guess (wild ass type) is you have a miss match of cylinder to bore size or a constriction where the barrel passes through the frame and the cast bullets are more forgiving than the jacketed type. Might be interesting to try plated and coated bullets , both being softer than cast commercial bullets. It doesn't matter now. That gun is gone back to Ruger. What for? Spill it Melvin. Took my new shinny Redhawk 45acp/45 clot out yesterday and had a few difficulties. Namely, fiocchi 45 acp was shaving jacket material on one hole and it was locking up some other way. Also looked like some jackass in the polishing room dropped it on the left muzzle then polished it out or tried. I ain't happy one bit. I need to clean it and run a alignment guage down the bore. Also, the recoil shield isn't polished like every other revolver I have seen. Left as cast surface. Light 45 clot loads seemed to function fine but they were just lead. Took along my sheriffs Peitta 1858 with conversion cylinder and that out shot the Redhawk rikitikki. Didn't do paper. Targets were steel 10" and 8" at 25 yards with the occasional 100yard pop off. |
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Posted: 1/31/2017 3:11:48 PM EDT
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What for? Spill it Melvin. I couldn't get the gun to group with anything other than a couple different cast bullet handloads. Anything jacketed (and really hardcast bullets like Cast Performance) just flat out would not group. Ruger sent out a replacement gun almost immediately. It shoots WAY better than the old gun (loves Hornady 180 and 200 XTP) but doesn't seem to like heavier (240+) bullets. I'm still playing with it but, so far at least, it doesn't seem to like anything heavier than about 235 grains. |
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Posted: 1/31/2017 3:37:46 PM EDT
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Cool! Factory GP100 grips are best GP100 grips.
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Posted: 2/6/2017 5:45:29 AM EDT
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Posted by Denis Prisbrey on another forum. Encouraged by this news!
Just off the phone with Ruger.
The front sight issue has been addressed & should not appear on new production going forward. The chamber issue is being worked on. May or may not go with SAMMI specs, but they'll work toward better consistency in picking one throat diameter & sticking with it. I'm encouraged. This is a neat little gun & I WANT it to succeed. :) Also, if the GP you already bought has a problem with chamber-related accuracy, Ruger is aware of the issue & should be able to correct it if you return it for service. Denis |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 12:30:40 PM EDT
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Posted by Denis Prisbrey on another forum. Encouraged by this news! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Posted by Denis Prisbrey on another forum. Encouraged by this news! Just off the phone with Ruger.
The front sight issue has been addressed & should not appear on new production going forward. The chamber issue is being worked on. May or may not go with SAMMI specs, but they'll work toward better consistency in picking one throat diameter & sticking with it. I'm encouraged. This is a neat little gun & I WANT it to succeed. :) Also, if the GP you already bought has a problem with chamber-related accuracy, Ruger is aware of the issue & should be able to correct it if you return it for service. Denis by painting front surface of fiber optic ball white with nail polish; it's reflect light inward Fiber optic has very little exposure to gather light. Maybe different color would work better but that's for later |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 12:50:41 PM EDT
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I have owned my share of rugers but have become a S&W snob mostly because of the triggers. Not everyone agrees with me but plenty do. For many , me included , shooting a double action revolver is all about the trigger and S&W is the leader of the pack. Yeah you can do a spring kit on the Ruger and get it almost as good as the factory S&W but if you do the springs on the S&W you have something better yet Either way you go , revolvers are a hoot Agree 100% on Smith triggers. Sold my SP 101 for same reasons. Rugers are very strong and serviceable but rough. I do have a SBH Bisley Hunter with aftermarket trigger. Sweet. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 4:05:25 PM EDT
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I don't know what this quote means but fiber optic on this revolver suck bad; it's very anemic even in well lit space or when pointed on dark surface. I improved on it a little bit by painting front surface of fiber optic ball white with nail polish; it's reflect light inward Fiber optic has very little exposure to gather light. Maybe different color would work better but that's for later Mr. Prisbrey was posting about the gap under the front sight. It seems like all the early guns have a slight (but quite noticeable) gap on both sides of the dovetail. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 6:36:36 PM EDT
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I have a 3" .357 that's needing a friend....
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Posted: 2/11/2017 8:16:27 PM EDT
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Nice always like the .44 spl.
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Posted: 2/12/2017 1:36:30 PM EDT
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Mr. Prisbrey was posting about the gap under the front sight. It seems like all the early guns have a slight (but quite noticeable) gap on both sides of the dovetail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know what this quote means but fiber optic on this revolver suck bad; it's very anemic even in well lit space or when pointed on dark surface. I improved on it a little bit by painting front surface of fiber optic ball white with nail polish; it's reflect light inward Fiber optic has very little exposure to gather light. Maybe different color would work better but that's for later Mr. Prisbrey was posting about the gap under the front sight. It seems like all the early guns have a slight (but quite noticeable) gap on both sides of the dovetail. I've noticed it too; it doesn't bother me as long as blade to base attachment is strong. I would prefer Ruger kept GP100 front sight mounting system though |
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Posted: 4/1/2017 2:13:41 PM EDT
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6 weeks later Melvin, are you still liking it? Have you got to shoot it much more? Do I want one or stick with a model 29?
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Posted: 4/1/2017 9:01:28 PM EDT
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6 weeks later Melvin, are you still liking it? Have you got to shoot it much more? Do I want one or stick with a model 29? What are your intended uses for whichever one you buy? |
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Posted: 4/1/2017 11:33:27 PM EDT
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The GP and 29 don't really fill the same roll. At least not in my mind. What are your intended uses for whichever one you buy? |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 3:23:59 PM EDT
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Paper punching only, so call it target accuracy. I think you'll probably be happier with the Smith if accuracy is your primary focus. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 8:58:14 AM EDT
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Nice looking GP100. I just ordered up a Lipsey's 5" blued GP100 in 44 Special. I'm looking forward to playing with it.
http://lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=RUGP-4451-5 |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:18:44 PM EDT
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Well I picked it up toady, here it is!
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:39:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLooks slick. I kind of like the idea of the 5in gun. Sort of a unique barrel length nowadays.
Let us know! |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 5:55:49 PM EDT
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Sorry, everyone. No real news. Bottom line is I had a rather frustrating day on the range. I tried three different brands/types of ammo with poor accuracy results. My guess is that there's a constriction of some type where the barrel meets the frame. This is, in effect, swaging the bullet; making it undersized for the bore. I will see if I can't get some Hornady or maybe some Black Hills ammo and try again. If these new loads don't shoot the gun will need a trip back to the factory. If I found the bore constricted I would only send it back. Seems a shame. If you get that sorted out I would go with a spring kit and a trigger job, Revolvers are all about the trigger pull (for me) better trigger is always a better gun. I was lucky years ago to trip over a used 629 lew Horton special with a 3" barrel. Really nice shooting gun |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 3:08:56 AM EDT
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I appreciate the continued write up on this. I missed out on the 696 and am too cheap to pay current pricing for one. I have a few questions for anyone in the know.
How does this revolver compare to the 696? Does anyone have a comparison picture? I would think the Ruger is much heavier. I wonder how much weight we would save by fluting the cylinders? What's a good price today? What is the significance/reasoning behind four layers of denim? Is it supposed to translate to a real world experience or is it simply a known factor that will definitely clog a HP so we can see how the bullet will over penetrate? Are you finding 3" GP100 holsters work fine for the 44 Special? |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 3:16:52 AM EDT
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