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Posted: 3/13/2006 5:25:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bub_The_Zombie]
I was admiring some of the pictures of the Warrior and Desert Warrior earlier today and I couldn't help but think to myself, "thats one bad moth@ fuck@, I got to get me one of them" From what I was reading about them, they were originally designed for the Marine Expiditionary Unit of SOCOM and are very accurate. So lets start a Kimber Warrior and Desert Warrior photo thread here. For those of us who dream of one day owning one, and for those proud parents who do. Come on now, lets see those freakin kids!!! Thanx in advance.  -Bub-
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:46:01 PM EDT
[#1]


My Version:

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:49:52 PM EDT
[#2]
Even though my Warrior is still evolving this is the latest picture I have of it.


Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:26:14 AM EDT
[#3]
Burkey, what magazine is the picture of that DET-1 pistol from?
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:22:06 PM EDT
[#4]
StingerHP,
Thats a pretty nice Warrior. I'd like to get one kind of like that but with a Hogue Wrap Around Rubber Grip. Where did you get that CMC 3 Triangle Trigger? I've been looking on the net for one for sale for a while? -Bub-
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:24:54 PM EDT
[#5]
hobbs5624, The magazine is a wilson combat 7-round. -Bub-
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:10:45 PM EDT
[#6]

Originally Posted By hobbs5624:
Burkey, what magazine is the picture of that DET-1 pistol from?



I know, I want to read it to!
I just found the picture on an Airsoft sight. The user only posted the title of the magazine, not the exact issue.
Sorry, I just tried to find the site that I found the picture from, but it doesn't look like that I can find the website. I think I came across it while googling for the holster the Warrior comes in.
If I remember, I think he said that the magazine had something like "Combat Tactical" in the title.
The look of the picture is consistant with a publication I get called: "American Hangunner". They feature an annual magazine, I think that was the issue the Airsoft kid was talking about.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:36:55 PM EDT
[#7]

Originally Posted By Bub_The_Zombie:
hobbs5624, The magazine is a wilson combat 7-round. -Bub-



Thanks.

Burkey, thanks for the input.  I've seen quite a few articles on the DET-1 pistol, but never one with such nice photography.  I realized it was most likely the work of Ichiro Nagata, but I didn't see this article in Guns or American Handgunner, and I have subscriptions to both.  If you find the issue, let me know, as I'll hunt down an old copy of the AH annual.  Thanks.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 11:24:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bub_The_Zombie] [#8]
Burkey & hobbs5624,
  Here is a link to the article I think you guys were talking about. www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_Kimber1911,,00.html It says in here somewhere that it came from the Soldier of Fortune Magazine. This is where I found out it was a Wilson Combat 7-Round Magazine. -Bub-
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 11:54:57 PM EDT
[#9]
First with black over o.d.



And then with black over coyote tan


Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:30:55 AM EDT
[#10]
The magazine article is from "Combat Tactics", presented by "Guns & Ammo" and Surefire.  It is from about 3 issues ago and is no longer on the newstand.  The magazine is great for gun porn, but a little weak on the content.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 4:37:00 PM EDT
[#11]
stingerHP,
Have you ever thought about adding a Hogue wrap around rubber grip instead. Where did you get that CMC 3 Triangle Trigger? I've been looking on the net for one for sale for a while? -Bub-
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 4:42:48 PM EDT
[#12]
Not quite a warrior, but its close enough.





Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:11:33 PM EDT
[#13]
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:36:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:36:40 PM EDT
[#15]

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Not quite a warrior, but its close enough.



Nope, not a Warrior, but in my opinion, nicer in many ways....


Originally Posted By Bub_The_Zombie:
Burkey & hobbs5624,
  Here is a link to the article I think you guys were talking about. www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_Kimber1911,,00.html It says in here somewhere that it came from the Soldier of Fortune Magazine. This is where I found out it was a Wilson Combat 7-Round Magazine. -Bub-



Bub, thanks, but I wasn't asking what kind of magazine is in the gun.  I was strictly wondering what magazine (as in the written publication) he had pictured above.  Those are the best pics yet of the gun that I've seen, and I thought it would be nice to hav ea copy.


Originally Posted By clasky:
The magazine article is from "Combat Tactics", presented by "Guns & Ammo" and Surefire.  It is from about 3 issues ago and is no longer on the newstand.  The magazine is great for gun porn, but a little weak on the content.



Clasky, you rock.  I wanted a copy to set aside with my gun.  Thanks!
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:41:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stingerHP] [#16]

Originally Posted By Bub_The_Zombie:
StingerHP,
Thats a pretty nice Warrior. I'd like to get one kind of like that but with a Hogue Wrap Around Rubber Grip. Where did you get that CMC 3 Triangle Trigger? I've been looking on the net for one for sale for a while? -Bub-



Hi and thanks "Bub" . . . I ordered it from Brownell's along with several other things I wanted at the time. It was b/o for a short while,  then came in. Being a CMC it dropped right in my Warrior w/o any fitting needed. As I remember it was around $16-17.00 either silver or black. I'm not a big fan of Hogue grips especially the rubber wrap-a-rounds, I have a set of AlumaGrips enroute to me and will show some pics when I have them on the Warrior.

RC
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 9:31:52 PM EDT
[#17]
Another shot of mine......

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:03:27 PM EDT
[#18]

Originally Posted By hobbs5624:

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Not quite a warrior, but its close enough.



Nope, not a Warrior, but in my opinion, nicer in many ways....




Whoah! Hobbs I really respect your opinion, but just how do you think the TLE compares to the Warrior? And, how the **** is it nicer than the Warrior?

(No disrespect Marksman14, you do have an Mk23 after all )
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 5:04:28 PM EDT
[#19]
Mine after de-mim and park.

Without light.


With new Streamlight TLR-1
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 12:14:11 AM EDT
[#20]

Originally Posted By Burkey:

Originally Posted By hobbs5624:

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Not quite a warrior, but its close enough.



Nope, not a Warrior, but in my opinion, nicer in many ways....




Whoah! Hobbs I really respect your opinion, but just how do you think the TLE compares to the Warrior? And, how the **** is it nicer than the Warrior?

(No disrespect Marksman14, you do have an Mk23 after all )



Well, I'll address two things.  First, I agreed that it's not a Warrior (meaning yes, not quite all the gun a Warrior is, since it has an external extractor), but in many ways, his is nicer.  It has checkering, Gunners, and a classy hammer that is probably a Kings or MGW, making it much better than the factory hammer.  I also like his choice of a solid trigger.  So, I was complementing him on his gun and choice of mods, not commmenting on whether the TLE RL II was a better gun than a Warrior.

Now, how does a TLE RL II compare to a Warrior?  Well, in the world of 1911s, they are so close to each other, with the exception of the extractors, that saying one is better than the other is almost a matter of personal preference.  They're both great guns, and I feel that the Warrior has a slight edge, but it's not a huge difference.  
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 5:11:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Marksman14] [#21]

Originally Posted By Burkey:

Originally Posted By hobbs5624:

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Not quite a warrior, but its close enough.



Nope, not a Warrior, but in my opinion, nicer in many ways....




Whoah! Hobbs I really respect your opinion, but just how do you think the TLE compares to the Warrior? And, how the **** is it nicer than the Warrior?

(No disrespect Marksman14, you do have an Mk23 after all )



LOL, none taken.

Its really all personal preference.  Had the Warrior been out when I got mine, I may or may not have gotten it.

I really like the checkering.  I actually like the sights on the TLE RL more, and aside from the extractor, they're almost identical.  Since I have yet to have a failure with mine, with 3000+ down the pipe, I can't complain one bit.  My EE works just fine.  I like the standard finish more since it doesnt wear as easy, and I don't need an ambi safety.

As far as the mods go...so far I have swapped out all the MIM parts with the exception of the extractor, barrel bushing, and thumb safety.  Sear, disconnector, and sear spring are Ed Brown, and the Hammer and trigger are Kings.  Obviously I got the gunners on there, and ditched the FLGR for an ed brown USGI rod/plug.

Its a bit unfair to compare a modded firearm to a factory handgun.  In its current form, if you don't mind an external extractor that functions 100%, with its nice creepless 4lbs pull with no MIM internals, and (in my opinion) a damn good looking trigger and hammer I personally find it to be an overall better firearm than the warrior, for me.  Essentially what I have up there is a Warrior with checkering, mepro sights, standard finish, de- MIM'ed with a trigger job, and an EE that happens to run just fine.

Factory vs factory, assuming you have an external extractor that works, the only thing I like more about the warrior is the USGI guide rod.  I could care less what kind of extractor is has so long as it works. Sights to me are a complete wash, and I love the checkering of the TLE.  My way of thinking is, a guide rod is a much easier swap than adding checkering.  And if I ever have extraction problems, I'll send her in for a new slide.  Currently , the firearm is not designated for SHTF (thats what the MK23 and USP tac are for ), but without a shadow of a doubt, I trust my TLE RL 100%.  I'd happily use it to defend myself and those I love.

When I look at TLE's and warriors, I look at them as the same gun, just with different features.  Whatever fits you better is what you should buy.  They both have the same guts (minus the extractor), and are equally accurate and tight.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 12:04:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:57:54 PM EDT
[#23]
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 1:20:28 PM EDT
[#24]
I have a couple questions for anyone who will answer.

1. WTF does MIM stand for?

2. Has anyone had any problems with there Warrior, or does it seem to run fine out of the box?

The last one's for comp1911. What did you mean by "Mine after de-mim and park"? Thanx in advance. -Bub-
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 1:31:03 PM EDT
[#25]
MIM is metal injection molding, or sintering, in which powdered metal is placed under heat and pressure to make a part. Done right, it is supposed to be pretty good. But a lot of flawed parts are out there. The main reason manufacturers use it is to make parts that are roughly as good as regular cast parts, but much more cheaply.

de-MIMing is the process of replacing all of the MIM parts with regular cast and tool steel parts.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 4:19:32 PM EDT
[#26]

Originally Posted By Bub_The_Zombie:
I have a couple questions for anyone who will answer.

1. WTF does MIM stand for?

2. Has anyone had any problems with there Warrior, or does it seem to run fine out of the box?

The last one's for comp1911. What did you mean by "Mine after de-mim and park"? Thanx in advance. -Bub-



de-MIM = removal of the MIM fire control parts, thumb safe, mag catch etc and replacement with steel parts as noted by CJ.

Park = Parkerizing = I stripped the shit KimPro finsh that was flaking off out of the box and refinished with manganese phosphate parkerizing.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 4:35:15 PM EDT
[#27]
Will you please give me a list of all of the parts that are MIM and some possible replacements? Thanx. -Bub-
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 5:04:03 PM EDT
[#28]

Originally Posted By Bub_The_Zombie:
Will you please give me a list of all of the parts that are MIM and some possible replacements? Thanx. -Bub-



Everything in a Kimber besides the frame and slide is MIM as far as I know.

Cylinder and Slide, Nowlin, Yo-Bo, Wilson, Ed Brown, STI and others make steel parts. Midway and Brownells are sources.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:32:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SGB] [#29]
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 10:42:54 PM EDT
[#30]


just picked her up today.  she's more accurate than i am!!!

Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:09:22 AM EDT
[#31]

Originally Posted By SGB:
photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=44027



Originally Posted By Bub_The_Zombie:
Will you please give me a list of all of the parts that are MIM and some possible replacements? Thanx. -Bub-



Hammer - Ed Brown Hardcore/Wilson Deluxe
Sear - Ed Brown Perfection/ Wilson a2 tool steel
Disconector - Ed Brown Perfection Disconector/Cylinder & Slide Marine Corp Disconector
Slide Stop - Ed Brown Hardcore/Wilson Bullet proof
Firing pin stop - Ed Brown Hardcore
Thumb Safety - Ed Brown Tactical Extended
Barrel bushing - Ed Brown Drop in


My choices



Great looking Kimbers SGB! What kind of grips are on the Custom 2?
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 3:11:16 PM EDT
[#32]

Originally Posted By SGB:
photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=44027



Originally Posted By Bub_The_Zombie:
Will you please give me a list of all of the parts that are MIM and some possible replacements? Thanx. -Bub-



Hammer - Ed Brown Hardcore/Wilson Deluxe
Sear - Ed Brown Perfection/ Wilson a2 tool steel
Disconector - Ed Brown Perfection Disconector/Cylinder & Slide Marine Corp Disconector
Slide Stop - Ed Brown Hardcore/Wilson Bullet proof
Firing pin stop - Ed Brown Hardcore
Thumb Safety - Ed Brown Tactical Extended
Barrel bushing - Ed Brown Drop in


My choices



This man knows what he's talking about.  I didn't quite get to the barrel bushing and safety yet, but they'll be going soon too.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 7:29:54 PM EDT
[#33]
Here's my new Alumagrips adorning my Warrior.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:49:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: hobbs5624] [#34]
MIM parts in Kimber:

-barrel bushing
-firing pin stop
-extractor
-ejector
-hammer
-sear
-disconnector
-grip safety
-mainspring housing (steel models, not the plastic ones)
-thumb safety
-plunger tube
-slide release/slide stop
-mag release/mag catch

This is not a definitive list, as there are parts I suspect above and beyond those I listed.  The various pins (including firing pin), grip screws, and grip screw bushings I suspect are MIM, but who knows.  The slide, frame, and barrel are forged steel.   Though all of the big 3 (Colt, Kimber, and Springfield) make use of MIM in their guns, quality is dependent on the powdered metals that are used.  Kimber seems to have the worst track record regarding strange, freak, or premature parts breakage.  Colt, on the other hand, has some MIM parts that are quite durable.  They also have the fewest MIM parts.  I'm personally happy using Colt's MIM sears, as they hold up well to the angles cut for a trigger job.

MIM technology is not bad by it's nature.  With Kimber, I've always felt it's a good idea to replace critical high impact parts that will cause a catastophic failure if they break.  These are the hammer and slide stop.  Other high impact parts, such as the ejector or firing pin stop, will usually not impede function if they break, so to me, replacement is not as crucial.  There are other parts that can require better metalurgical quality than Kimber's MIM parts for optimized functioning.  These are the extractor (MIM doesn't seem to hold tensioning as well)and the sear (Kimber and Springfield MIM sears are overly soft, and don't hold stoned angles well).  As far as all the other MIM parts, I recommend replacing the safety on a gun equiped with an ambi safety if the user is reliant upon the right side lever, as they have a tendency to break at the joint.  

I've never been concerned with all the other parts, but after seeing some people here post pics of their broken bushings, mag releases, etc., I'm a little wary of even the small parts.  Don't let all the MIM hype get to you though.  If you've fired a bunch of rounds through the gun, and it has held up, chances are it will continue to do so.

By the way, my latest Kimber was a classic custom.  It was a series I gun.  I paid $600 for it.  After getting all the parts at wholesale to de-MIM it, and doing all the work myself, I have just under $1100 into it.  Completely de-MIMing a Kimber is not cheap.



Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:31:21 AM EDT
[#35]

Originally Posted By hobbs5624:
 Completely de-MIMing a Kimber is not cheap.



Yup.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 4:34:06 PM EDT
[#36]
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 4:37:06 PM EDT
[#37]
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 5:35:33 PM EDT
[#38]

Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By comp1911:

Originally Posted By hobbs5624:
 Completely de-MIMing a Kimber is not cheap.



Yup.



Amen



Very true, but in my case it still ended up cheaper than going the wilson or semi-custom route, and Kimbers are notorious for being very well fit and accurate.  So in the long run, its still not that bad for what you are getting quality wise.
Link Posted: 4/5/2006 12:23:19 AM EDT
[#39]
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I like My Warrior, but I ended up spending $306.00 to replace the critical MIM parts with barstock parts due to ambi-safety fracture and slide stop due to improper fitting. So went ahead and swapped safety, extracture and slide-stop. Also the feedramp was quite shallow, crown was horrible and barrel lug at link was rubbing on slide-stop and chamber was very tight and had some very rough spots. I am now very happy with the pistol.FWIW Next time Ill buy a cheaper model Kimber and spend less money in the long run!

INCIRLIK

ETA: FWIW My smith said the barrel is an ordinance steel Kart Barrel
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 2:35:45 AM EDT
[#40]
Hey All,
I noticed that some of you have switched out your Kimber Warrior standard grips to the Strider Gunner grips.   Have you noticed a difference in the grips from a usability standpoint?   Do they offer better "gripping" than the standard ones?

Thanks.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 5:45:36 PM EDT
[#41]

Originally Posted By SEAL6:
Hey All,
I noticed that some of you have switched out your Kimber Warrior standard grips to the Strider Gunner grips.   Have you noticed a difference in the grips from a usability standpoint?   Do they offer better "gripping" than the standard ones?

Thanks.



Yep.

Thats why I got mine.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 1:00:47 AM EDT
[#42]

Originally Posted By Marksman14:

Originally Posted By SEAL6:
Hey All,
I noticed that some of you have switched out your Kimber Warrior standard grips to the Strider Gunner grips.   Have you noticed a difference in the grips from a usability standpoint?   Do they offer better "gripping" than the standard ones?

Thanks.



Yep.

Thats why I got mine.



Heheh well in that case ;)
Care to expand a little on that (for the sake of a newbie)
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 1:21:07 AM EDT
[#43]
Well, I'm not sure how much better I can explain it...

They dont allow the pistol to shift around in your hand as easily as the stock grips...ya know...they're grippier.

Link Posted: 4/12/2006 9:18:11 AM EDT
[#44]

Originally Posted By stingerHP:
Here's my new Alumagrips adorning my Warrior.
i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Stingerhp/IMG_0141a.jpg



StingerHP,
Is that grip tape on the front strap of your fine looking Kimber?

Thanks.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 10:15:34 AM EDT
[#45]

Originally Posted By SEAL6:
Hey All,
I noticed that some of you have switched out your Kimber Warrior standard grips to the Strider Gunner grips.   Have you noticed a difference in the grips from a usability standpoint?   Do they offer better "gripping" than the standard ones?

Thanks.



The regular grips are pretty much smooth, but yet they somehow offer a pretty decent grip.

The Simmionich Gunner Grips are very rough. They are so rough that they come with sandpaper and instructions on how to sand them down. Squares are imprinted into the grips and on each corner there is a high point. This high point is what "grips" int your hand when you hold the pistol tight. With perhaps 150 squares (4 corners each, sharing corners) the affect that you get is a really good grip. In addition, the grips do not seem to snag on clothing for some reason, but yet they offer a really, really, really, good grip.

Lol, thats about as detailed as I can get.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 10:23:10 PM EDT
[#46]

Originally Posted By INCIRLIK:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I like My Warrior, but I ended up spending $306.00 to replace the critical MIM parts with barstock parts due to ambi-safety fracture and slide stop due to improper fitting. So went ahead and swapped safety, extracture and slide-stop. Also the feedramp was quite shallow, crown was horrible and barrel lug at link was rubbing on slide-stop and chamber was very tight and had some very rough spots. I am now very happy with the pistol.FWIW Next time Ill buy a cheaper model Kimber and spend less money in the long run!

INCIRLIK

ETA: FWIW My smith said the barrel is an ordinance steel Kart Barrel



ETA:  I guess I should have replaced the ejector as well, It broke this eve. at 623 total rounds. I had planned to put 1000 rounds through it this saturday to proof it for hurricane season---LOL!
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 10:43:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stingerHP] [#47]

Originally Posted By RomeoJoker:

Originally Posted By stingerHP:
Here's my new Alumagrips adorning my Warrior.
i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Stingerhp/IMG_0141a.jpg



StingerHP,
Is that grip tape on the front strap of your fine looking Kimber?

Thanks.



RomeoJoker . . .  Thanks!  3M tape to be precise! Works real well since the Warrior doesn't have front strap checkering.

RC
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 4:06:45 PM EDT
[#48]
To All,
Does anyone know where i could find the mainspring housing with the integral lanyard loop from the Nighthawk GRP? I was thinking about using it as a replacement for the standard MIM one on the warrior. Thanx in advance. -Bub-
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 12:47:36 PM EDT
[#49]

Originally Posted By Bub_The_Zombie:
To All,
Does anyone know where i could find the mainspring housing with the integral lanyard loop from the Nighthawk GRP? I was thinking about using it as a replacement for the standard MIM one on the warrior. Thanx in advance. -Bub-



I don't know if Nighthawk makes their own, or if theirs is made by Guncrafter Industries, but they look to be the same.  You can pick up the Guncrafters unit from Brownells:

www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=21493&s=46799
Link Posted: 4/29/2006 1:42:19 AM EDT
[#50]
Just picked mine up today hop
Just need to get the Gunner Grips now http://static.flickr.com/49/136703840_25a13a14c2.jpg
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