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Posted: 7/13/2017 3:36:53 AM EDT
I recently purchased a HK45 Tactical and have been enjoying the pistol, it has been my return to the H&K line since my ex-wife forced me to sell my beloved P7 pistol.
I'm eyeing to pick up a 9mm now and am torn with the concept of grabbing a P30L, to mimic the feel of my HK45 (So trigger time on the 9mm can somewhat translate over to the usability of my 45) or just going with the VP9 Tactical. The trigger on the HK45 has taken me a little to get used to but I've already started to get a bit of an appreciation for it. Obligatory picture of the recently purchased HK45 
Depending on how things go, the 9mm may actually become my new standard CCW as well. Any insight by those experienced in the HK 9mms would be appreciated. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 9:38:29 AM EDT
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I have a P30 V3 (DA/SA w/ decocker, no safety). Personally, I just prefer hammer fired DA/SA over striker fired, YMMV. That said, I carry a Shield.
If you're looking for something that translates to the 45, I would go P30 with the same trigger variant that your 45 has. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 10:01:03 AM EDT
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I have had the 45C (DA/SA). Now have a VP9 and P2000 (LEM). I actually switched on account of the trigger. As much as I prefer the somewhat care free holstering of a hammer fired pistol I just shoot striker fired better. If you have already learned the trigger, I would agree and vote for a P30 in the same variant.
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Posted: 7/13/2017 3:27:49 PM EDT
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I have a P30 V3 (DA/SA w/ decocker, no safety). Personally, I just prefer hammer fired DA/SA over striker fired, YMMV. That said, I carry a Shield. If you're looking for something that translates to the 45, I would go P30 with the same trigger variant that your 45 has. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have a P30 V3 (DA/SA w/ decocker, no safety). Personally, I just prefer hammer fired DA/SA over striker fired, YMMV. That said, I carry a Shield. If you're looking for something that translates to the 45, I would go P30 with the same trigger variant that your 45 has. Quoted:
I have had the 45C (DA/SA). Now have a VP9 and P2000 (LEM). I actually switched on account of the trigger. As much as I prefer the somewhat care free holstering of a hammer fired pistol I just shoot striker fired better. If you have already learned the trigger, I would agree and vote for a P30 in the same variant. Guess I'd just feel bad going with the VP9 over the P30, in regards to the platforms not really translating between, save for magazine changes. This might be one of the times in which the mentality of "Get both" ends up being the right answer. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 3:50:58 PM EDT
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VP9...I don't think a striker trigger requires any retraining.
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Posted: 7/13/2017 4:02:52 PM EDT
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VP9...I don't think a striker trigger requires any retraining. The VP9 is my favorite striker fired pistol available now, this saying when my current daily carry is a P320 that I've had modified with a gray guns trigger, in hopes of getting it closer to a VP9 feel haha. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 6:29:53 PM EDT
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Every mfgr has a "Low end" line, the VP is HK's! Go with the P30L. If you want Striker Fired, go with the KING, GLOCK G17/19!
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Posted: 7/13/2017 6:31:01 PM EDT
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Every mfgr has a "Low end" line, the VP is HK's! Go with the P30L. If you want Striker Fired, go with the KING, GLOCK G17/19! |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 8:25:59 PM EDT
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I've had both the G19 and G17. Sold both, not a fan. Lamco, do you jump into every mfg forum to spread your Clock perfection ? Get the tactical VP9. Already set up for a can. Don't worry about the sjghts. You can sight thru the can. I don't shoot my P30s much after getting the VP series. You won't have to get a threaded non HK barrel for the P30s. Your HK45T is lonely and needs more mags. 
I carry my HK45s cocked and locked, same with P30s. Don't shoot with da first. Go shoot both, you'll end up with one or the other later. Good things mags are compatible. Don't worry about someone's non sense about being a cheap low end gun. It was priced that way to compete with the Clock. They will appreciate in no time. It's a HK. I was around when the USP started out as an entry US marketed gun, since P7s were getting out of reach of most US buyers. They are up around 9 bills now as compared to 6. |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 6:35:49 AM EDT
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You could wait for a VP9L.
I would buy the VP9, take the free mags, and spend the rest on more extra mags, ammo, or sights (not that the sights need replacing but people often change sights). |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 8:07:44 AM EDT
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I had both. The P30L was more accurate in my hands, but the VP9 was a lot faster. Sadly, the answer is get both.
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Posted: 7/14/2017 5:04:04 PM EDT
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personally I dont really like the triggers on the P-series. I do like the p30 but of those choices Id go VP9 personally
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Posted: 7/14/2017 6:23:53 PM EDT
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You could wait for a VP9L. |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 12:48:21 AM EDT
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It's not the VP9 that I'm worried about needing retraining for but rather just becoming more proficient with the HK45T while using a 9mm platform. The VP9 is my favorite striker fired pistol available now, this saying when my current daily carry is a P320 that I've had modified with a gray guns trigger, in hopes of getting it closer to a VP9 feel haha. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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VP9...I don't think a striker trigger requires any retraining. The VP9 is my favorite striker fired pistol available now, this saying when my current daily carry is a P320 that I've had modified with a gray guns trigger, in hopes of getting it closer to a VP9 feel haha. My VP9 was my easiest pistol to shoot fast coming off CZ and 1911's. Shooting is shooting. If a gun requires concerted effort to shoot well or to become acclimated to it...I don't buy it or get rid of it. |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 8:31:31 AM EDT
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My VP9 is easy to shoot and quite accurate.
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Posted: 7/15/2017 11:33:46 PM EDT
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Thanks all for the responses/input.
I actually have decided that I am going to do the best choice and go down the "Get both" path. I'll be starting with the P30L though and a VP9 Tactical will come shortly after. With any luck, I'll be able to squeeze both purchases in before the promotional magazine offer expires. |
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Posted: 7/16/2017 1:50:39 PM EDT
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Thanks all for the responses/input. I actually have decided that I am going to do the best choice and go down the "Get both" path. I'll be starting with the P30L though and a VP9 Tactical will come shortly after. With any luck, I'll be able to squeeze both purchases in before the promotional magazine offer expires. |
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Posted: 7/16/2017 2:37:08 PM EDT
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I don't see why not. I picked up five HKs in short order and submitted the paperwork for five plan D knives as part of the LEO offer. Got all my knives.
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Posted: 7/22/2017 6:36:33 PM EDT
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Every mfgr has a "Low end" line, the VP is HK's! Go with the P30L. If you want Striker Fired, go with the KING, GLOCK G17/19! |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 9:00:54 PM EDT
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I used to love my P2000, but lately I have been shooting my VP9 a lot including competitions. I now find myself occasionally short stroking the P2000 in SA mode. Checking across different guns I own and talking to guys who know their stuff, it seems the P2000 has the longest reset of any DA/SA pistol made in the last 30 years. I believe the P30 is pretty much the same.
Sig reset without the SRT package is pretty long, but the P2000 is still longer. I would love to have it improved, but the options seem to be Bill Springfield who is hit and miss but cheap. Or Gray's guns that charges a fortune... |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 11:39:24 PM EDT
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Same as others have said. I bought a p30. Then a vp9. If I had no other hk's to compare it to I would have kept it. But along side the p30 the vp9 is made much cheaper.
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:59:14 PM EDT
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Same as others have said. I bought a p30. Then a vp9. If I had no other hk's to compare it to I would have kept it. But along side the p30 the vp9 is made much cheaper. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 12:53:14 AM EDT
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This guy gets it. VP9 is definitely a "low end" pistol. Handle one next to the P30 and it's easy to see the difference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every mfgr has a "Low end" line, the VP is HK's! Go with the P30L. If you want Striker Fired, go with the KING, GLOCK G17/19! |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 6:49:39 AM EDT
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Also, get the match sear spring for the VP9 and keep the stock TRS in. Drops the pull weight to perfection.
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Posted: 7/27/2017 9:10:16 PM EDT
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Hands down the VP9, trigger and ergos amazing.
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Posted: 7/27/2017 10:23:53 PM EDT
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This guy gets it. VP9 is definitely a "low end" pistol. Handle one next to the P30 and it's easy to see the difference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every mfgr has a "Low end" line, the VP is HK's! Go with the P30L. If you want Striker Fired, go with the KING, GLOCK G17/19! Other than the P30 costs more and has a hammer. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 11:55:46 PM EDT
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I say neither of you get it. What are the differences that make a VP9 a low end pistol vs the P30? Other than the P30 costs more and has a hammer. HK snobs are at it again.   
I've got a few pistols from HK. All the DA/SA triggers are nothing to write home about. Stock triggers not the LEM light version either. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 10:05:13 AM EDT
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This guy gets it. VP9 is definitely a "low end" pistol. Handle one next to the P30 and it's easy to see the difference. Can you be more specific? |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 12:44:57 PM EDT
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I say neither of you get it. What are the differences that make a VP9 a low end pistol vs the P30? Other than the P30 costs more and has a hammer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Every mfgr has a "Low end" line, the VP is HK's! Go with the P30L. If you want Striker Fired, go with the KING, GLOCK G17/19! Other than the P30 costs more and has a hammer. Generally speaking I'm a CZ guy. I looked at the p30 but with just a quick min at the gun shop and I don't see the difference. I do like the USP 9c and may pick one up |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 8:12:46 PM EDT
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Some people can't get past the fact they spent about $750 on a P30 and the VP9 is on sale for $500 to compete with Glock.
Materials are identical. But I use the internet to look at cat pictures and argue with total strangers. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 11:02:10 PM EDT
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I'm not fond of striker fired pistols, so the VP9 isn't really on my radar. I do have a USP9 LEM which I love and can't shoot enough. I love the LEM trigger and plan to convert my USP45 V1 to LEM in the future. You can never go wrong w/ the USP. ?? I would lean more towards a P30 LEM.
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Posted: 7/28/2017 11:35:37 PM EDT
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I say neither of you get it. What are the differences that make a VP9 a low end pistol vs the P30? Other than the P30 costs more and has a hammer. I know that a lot of people like the VP9, but I was never really satisfied with mine. To me, the VP9 felt significantly less robust than the USP or the P30. If I had no prior experience with the USP or P30, I might not have noticed the following issues. Little things like the weak side slide release lever and the plastic charging supports felt cheap to me. The VP9 was the only polymer pistol I've owned that I could really feel a lot of flex in the grip when I squeezed. I've read rave reviews regarding the VP9 trigger, but my particular VP9 had a fair amount of grit in the take up and a good bit of creep just before the break. I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I like the USP and P30 triggers more. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_29/173881_Bought-a-new-HK-P30sk-and-HK-P30--both-in-9mm-V1-LEM---I-like-the-P30-series-better-than-the-VP9.html&page=1&anc=bottom#bottom |
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Posted: 7/29/2017 8:56:01 PM EDT
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I own a P30, P30L, and three VP9's . There is no difference in build quality that I can see or feel .
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Posted: 7/30/2017 6:12:35 AM EDT
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I was mulling over the same decision the other day.
Finally went with the P30S. I have Glocks to fill the striker fired pistol category, so the P30S won. And it is a fantastic pistol. Now I own the P30 and a real nice USP full size in 9mm. Looking for another HK perhaps. May consider trading a couple of Glocks. |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 8:36:57 AM EDT
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but after owning both, I too thought the VP9 felt "cheaper" than the P30 series. Here's a thread I posted a while back: I know that a lot of people like the VP9, but I was never really satisfied with mine. To me, the VP9 felt significantly less robust than the USP or the P30. If I had no prior experience with the USP or P30, I might not have noticed the following issues. Little things like the weak side slide release lever and the plastic charging supports felt cheap to me. The VP9 was the only polymer pistol I've owned that I could really feel a lot of flex in the grip when I squeezed. I've read rave reviews regarding the VP9 trigger, but my particular VP9 had a fair amount of grit in the take up and a good bit of creep just before the break. I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I like the USP and P30 triggers more. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_29/173881_Bought-a-new-HK-P30sk-and-HK-P30--both-in-9mm-V1-LEM---I-like-the-P30-series-better-than-the-VP9.html&page=1&anc=bottom#bottom Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I say neither of you get it. What are the differences that make a VP9 a low end pistol vs the P30? Other than the P30 costs more and has a hammer. I know that a lot of people like the VP9, but I was never really satisfied with mine. To me, the VP9 felt significantly less robust than the USP or the P30. If I had no prior experience with the USP or P30, I might not have noticed the following issues. Little things like the weak side slide release lever and the plastic charging supports felt cheap to me. The VP9 was the only polymer pistol I've owned that I could really feel a lot of flex in the grip when I squeezed. I've read rave reviews regarding the VP9 trigger, but my particular VP9 had a fair amount of grit in the take up and a good bit of creep just before the break. I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I like the USP and P30 triggers more. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_29/173881_Bought-a-new-HK-P30sk-and-HK-P30--both-in-9mm-V1-LEM---I-like-the-P30-series-better-than-the-VP9.html&page=1&anc=bottom#bottom |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 7:18:06 PM EDT
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I was mulling over the same decision the other day. Finally went with the P30S. I have Glocks to fill the striker fired pistol category, so the P30S won. And it is a fantastic pistol. Now I own the P30 and a real nice USP full size in 9mm. Looking for another HK perhaps. May consider trading a couple of Glocks. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:48:46 AM EDT
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Finally came home with my new P30L, will be going to the range with it tomorrow.
Honestly, it's the best grip I've ever handled of any pistol. 
The growing HK family picture. 
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:55:30 AM EDT
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Finally came home with my new P30L, will be going to the range with it tomorrow. Honestly, it's the best grip I've ever handled of any pistol. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/268530/s8kbpgxl-275517.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/268530/IMG_20170808_222231-275506.jpg The growing HK family picture. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/268530/IMG_20170808_211001-275516.jpg |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 3:00:45 AM EDT
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Some people can't get past the fact they spent about $750 on a P30 and the VP9 is on sale for $500 to compete with Glock. Materials are identical. But I use the internet to look at cat pictures and argue with total strangers. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 9:11:40 AM EDT
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If you truly believe the materials used in the VP9 are the same as what's used in HK's flagship line then I doubt you've compared them. Nothing wrong with the VP9 buts it's simply not of the same quality. I'm not a metallurgist, and I don't know much about plastics, but I do have p30s, and vp9s and I don't know what the fuck youre talking about. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:07:44 PM EDT
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Specifically what are you talking about? Specifically. You've been saying that but you still haven't given any examples of these differences. I'm not a metallurgist, and I don't know much about plastics, but I do have p30s, and vp9s and I don't know what the fuck youre talking about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you truly believe the materials used in the VP9 are the same as what's used in HK's flagship line then I doubt you've compared them. Nothing wrong with the VP9 buts it's simply not of the same quality. I'm not a metallurgist, and I don't know much about plastics, but I do have p30s, and vp9s and I don't know what the fuck youre talking about. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 10:31:11 PM EDT
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If you truly believe the materials used in the VP9 are the same as what's used in HK's flagship line then I doubt you've compared them. Nothing wrong with the VP9 buts it's simply not of the same quality. |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 1:50:04 AM EDT
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Just checking back in to see it's a bit of a pissing match on the VP9 to P30.
I suspect after they looked at their finances vs their Austrian neighbors a change of philosophy is the difference between the two. Higher volume lowering the fixed costs vs the same old that's brought them to near bankruptcy. There may be some minor differences but with p30sk pistols selling under $600 id say the higher margin lower production era set the p30 price. If the vp9 came out first followed by the p30 I bet you would have seen a $800 vp9 years ago. With such a simple manual of arms striker pistols are the volume sellers not hammer fired. Truth is HK missed out on the LEO market by not having the VP9 out 15 years ago while they were still f--king around with the USP. I seriously doubt there is any magical p30 elite polymer compound or extra super steel barrel. I know the p30 owners want to think Escalade vs Yukon but it's more like Yukon vs Tahoe. Good news is they are both excellent pistols. If anything the backing plate and stupid wings are probably what's responsible for making them feel cheaper. |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 3:01:36 AM EDT
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I don't have a P30L (P30sk instead), but I do have a VP9 and it's teh tits. I carry the P30sk more, but the VP9 is my favorite to shoot.
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Posted: 8/16/2017 12:26:06 PM EDT
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I don't have a P30L (P30sk instead), but I do have a VP9 and it's teh tits. I carry the P30sk more, but the VP9 is my favorite to shoot. |
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