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Posted: 7/29/2018 10:35:46 AM EDT
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So, since everyone seems to be lamenting the end of the Phantom (and I am a big Phantom fan), who is a good alternative? Bravo is out for me as they no longer make any left handed stuff and I find myself needing a Phantom stylecG19 holster. If you want a replacement for a Phantom worn IWB then here’s your ticket- Right here |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 8:42:51 AM EDT
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Any idea on when you'll have one to fit the 5" core,x300 W/RMR?
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Posted: 7/31/2018 2:12:43 PM EDT
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I just need to know when I can order a Perun for my 1911's. I do miss the old days when I could call and shoot the shit to order my holsters. Good seeing you guys (RC) up at OTOA back in June. |
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Posted: 7/31/2018 4:06:45 PM EDT
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Excellent phantom replacement If you want a replacement for a Phantom worn IWB then here’s your ticket- Right here |
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Posted: 7/31/2018 4:09:08 PM EDT
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So, since everyone seems to be lamenting the end of the Phantom (and I am a big Phantom fan), who is a good alternative? Bravo is out for me as they no longer make any left handed stuff and I find myself needing a Phantom stylecG19 holster. JM and a few others still make them, because people buy them. Most of those people haven't tried other holsters and just want what they want. Before you go off buying a Phantom clone, try out something new. It doesn't even have to be from RCS. PHLster, Henry, Dark Star Gear, and many others are making quality holsters. |
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Posted: 7/31/2018 7:50:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's funny. Pancake holsters are being phased out? Really? I’m not sure how to break it to you but just because RCS doesn’t make them any longer doesn’t make them phased out. I used nothing but Phantoms for years and I can tell you that both of the products I linked to are on par if not better then the original RCS phantom. I can say that after having carried Phantoms both OWB and IWB for thousands of hours over a decade. I’ve said I wish nothing but success for Raven but I, like others, have tried their new products and they do not fit our needs so we have gone elsewhere. |
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Posted: 7/31/2018 8:55:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s so funny? I mean other then what appears to be your man crush and blind devotion to RCS? Three pages of you telling everyone they are wrong and should embrace a product they are not interested in is getting a bit old. Pancake holsters are being phased out? Really? I’m not sure how to break it to you but just because RCS doesn’t make them any longer doesn’t make them phased out. I used nothing but Phantoms for years and I can tell you that both of the products I linked to are on par if not better then the original RCS phantom. I can say that after having carried Phantoms both OWB and IWB for thousands of hours over a decade. I’ve said I wish nothing but success for Raven but I, like others, have tried their new products and they do not fit our needs so we have gone elsewhere. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:03:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pancake holsters have mostly been phased out. Typically for the reasons Michael mentioned.  You either have a serious man crush on RCS or you are in some way vested in their success. Which is it?
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Posted: 8/1/2018 10:15:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You either have a serious man crush on RCS or you are in some way vested in their success. Which is it?The OP asked why it was discontinued. Michael came on here and answered that question. Since then, it has been a bunch of grown men crying that their favorite holster is no more. Kind of like how the libs get pissy that guns aren't banned yet. Deal with it. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 10:44:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s so funny? I mean other then what appears to be your man crush and blind devotion to RCS? Three pages of you telling everyone they are wrong and should embrace a product they are not interested in is getting a bit old. Pancake holsters are being phased out? Really? I’m not sure how to break it to you but just because RCS doesn’t make them any longer doesn’t make them phased out. I used nothing but Phantoms for years and I can tell you that both of the products I linked to are on par if not better then the original RCS phantom. I can say that after having carried Phantoms both OWB and IWB for thousands of hours over a decade. I’ve said I wish nothing but success for Raven but I, like others, have tried their new products and they do not fit our needs so we have gone elsewhere. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 6:02:28 PM EDT
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Deleted as this is a waste of time.
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Posted: 8/1/2018 7:06:01 PM EDT
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Deleted as this is a waste of time. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 7:57:08 PM EDT
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I have no ties to RCS. I actually made a few memes and a video bashing RCS about the Perun when I first received mine. Michael was there to help me out and resolved the issue I was having (due to operator error). It's a good holster. I'm just enjoying these fuddy duddy types getting pissed off that the holster isn't made for their obscure choice in firearms, and that their beloved pancake holster is no more. Michael came on here and went well beyond what most would do to explain their reasoning for product replacement. The OP asked why it was discontinued. Michael came on here and answered that question. Since then, it has been a bunch of grown men crying that their favorite holster is no more. Kind of like how the libs get pissy that guns aren't banned yet. Deal with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You either have a serious man crush on RCS or you are in some way vested in their success. Which is it?The OP asked why it was discontinued. Michael came on here and answered that question. Since then, it has been a bunch of grown men crying that their favorite holster is no more. Kind of like how the libs get pissy that guns aren't banned yet. Deal with it. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 2:15:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So every gun besides a Glock is obscure? A 17L is pretty obscure. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 2:43:48 PM EDT
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I always liked the Phantoms and have owned a bunch over the years. Still use one anytime I carry a 17/19 OWB. This thread made me go look at the OWB RCS is making now.
Zero interest. One big reason is they look like a Fobus clone. I'm sure they are better designed and manufactured but aesthetics are a thing with consumer products. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:40:09 PM EDT
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sThis tells me you didn't read much into the firearms the Perun is soon to be released for. A 17L is pretty obscure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
s Quoted: So every gun besides a Glock is obscure? A 17L is pretty obscure. "I'm just enjoying these fuddy duddy types getting pissed off that the holster isn't made for their obscure choice in firearms" You said nothing about what may be made in the future. You used present tense. |
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Posted: 8/3/2018 2:05:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You said "I'm just enjoying these fuddy duddy types getting pissed off that the holster isn't made for their obscure choice in firearms" You said nothing about what may be made in the future. You used present tense. "This tells me you didn't read much into the firearms the Perun is soon to be released for." |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 1:25:06 PM EDT
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Well, it looks like RCS has released some contract overruns. If you need a Phantom for a G26 or G19 now is the time. Prices are double of what deals like this in the past had run.
S/F A |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 1:44:08 PM EDT
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https://rcsgear.com/holsters/
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Posted: 10/16/2018 1:49:32 PM EDT
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Yep, and...………...ordered.
 For those Glock owners that are bitchin', money talks. S/F Al |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 1:58:35 PM EDT
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Prices on new deal suck. Very disappointed in RCS. But they sure are happy to push the "collector" angle.
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Posted: 10/16/2018 5:26:54 PM EDT
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Saw the “ deals” in the email last night. I’ll pass. I’ve moved on.
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Posted: 10/16/2018 9:48:43 PM EDT
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Saw the “ deals” in the email last night. I’ll pass. I’ve moved on. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 8:52:03 AM EDT
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Well, it looks like RCS has released some contract overruns. If you need a Phantom for a G26 or G19 now is the time. Prices are double of what deals like this in the past had run. S/F A |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:07:03 AM EDT
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Once again... "This tells me you didn't read much into the firearms the Perun is soon to be released for." Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You said "I'm just enjoying these fuddy duddy types getting pissed off that the holster isn't made for their obscure choice in firearms" You said nothing about what may be made in the future. You used present tense. "This tells me you didn't read much into the firearms the Perun is soon to be released for." |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:33:59 AM EDT
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In my opinion the Bravo Concealment Light Bearing holster is superior to Raven.
It has better retention than the Raven and also has a slimmer profile. I like the ravens angled belt loops but thats the only advantage I can recognize on the Raven now that I have my Bravo. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:03:01 PM EDT
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In my opinion the Bravo Concealment Light Bearing holster is superior to Raven. http://www.thenewrifleman.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Bravo-Concealment-Holster-28.jpg It has better retention than the Raven and also has a slimmer profile. I like the ravens angled belt loops but thats the only advantage I can recognize on the Raven now that I have my Bravo. Speaking of which, I see Raven is no longer offering their legacy mag carriers, which are my favorite. Eff! |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 8:43:19 AM EDT
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So I never knew that Raven were the progenitors of the common kydex holster design you see everywhere. Kinda sucks that you have such a good design and every holster maker out there runs with it. Funny enough, I was shopping for holsters and I see this on Bravo Concealment's site.
Injection molded and has the exact same style of retention adjustment as the Perun. I guess I know Bravo's business model.  I ordered a Perun to give it a shot. I'm not a real fan of the wings up top but if I really don't like it I'm going to remove one or both. |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 12:03:08 PM EDT
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Bravo uses a thinner kydex much like material RCS used in the beginning. RCS made and still makes (sometimes) the best kydex product on the market. Their quality of product has proven to be the industry standard. They willmake the kydex runs periodically I imagine.
S/F Al |
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Posted: 10/19/2018 4:53:57 PM EDT
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Prices on new deal suck. Very disappointed in RCS. But they sure are happy to push the "collector" angle. Prior to being discontinued, the Phantom cost $94.99, and the Phantom LC cost $104.99. Bundles #1 and #2 are priced just like they always were before we discontinued the Phantom. Bundles #3 and #4 are discounted $30 and $50, respectively. I think it's funny how -- on a thread about how pissed everyone is super pissed that we discontinued the Phantom -- I am now being criticized for making a batch of Phantoms available, apparently because I'm not giving them away? If you want to have something to put your Glock in but don't want to pay $95 for a government contract overrun, may I suggest a Perun? It costs almost 60% less than the Phantoms in these bundles. |
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Posted: 10/19/2018 11:00:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious how the prices "suck?" Prior to being discontinued, the Phantom cost $94.99, and the Phantom LC cost $104.99. Bundles #1 and #2 are priced just like they always were before we discontinued the Phantom. Bundles #3 and #4 are discounted $30 and I think it's funny how -- on a thread about how pissed everyone is super pissed that we discontinued the Phantom -- I am now being criticized for making a batch of Phantoms available, apparently because I'm not giving them away? If you want to have something to put your Glock in but don't want to pay $95 for a government contract overrun, may I suggest a Perun? It costs almost 60% less than the Phantoms in these bundles. Can you lend some insight into why you went with a “slider” style tensioning system with the Perun instead of a standard single screw hole like many other holsters? Is it because of the injection molding material or is it just a better system? |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 7:09:21 AM EDT
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Nvm
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Posted: 10/20/2018 9:56:13 PM EDT
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I've been carrying a light bearing perun for a while now. My only complaint is that it could ride a touch higher. Otherwise it's an excellent product for a great price.
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Posted: 10/21/2018 3:38:51 PM EDT
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@Michael_Goerlich
When do I get a 1911 Perun? |
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Posted: 10/22/2018 7:53:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Overpriced S/F Al |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 10:57:05 PM EDT
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@Michael_Goerlich When do I get a 1911 Perun? |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 12:25:06 AM EDT
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Disregard they made it right
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Posted: 11/14/2018 11:56:53 PM EDT
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I've been carrying a light bearing perun for a while now. My only complaint is that it could ride a touch higher. Otherwise it's an excellent product for a great price. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:54:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How’s your retention? I have my Glock/X300U tightened down as much as I can and the pistol/light will fall out if I turn it upside down and jiggle it at all. I had the same issue until I contacted RCS and advised what to do and where to find it in the manual. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:02:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How’s your retention? I have my Glock/X300U tightened down as much as I can and the pistol/light will fall out if I turn it upside down and jiggle it at all. 
Possibly a defect or a light on the edge of its tolerances that it isn’t playing nice with the holster? |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:02:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Read the manual. I had the same issue until I contacted RCS and advised what to do and where to find it in the manual. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 6:50:38 PM EDT
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I've been a long time Phantom user and love the holster. After reading this thread, I decided to buy one of the new Perun holsters and compare for myself. The holster seems well made, fits the gun well, the adjustable tension works, and overall I'd say it's a good holster. The only minor gripe I have is the 10% or 0% cant take it or leave it. I setup my Phantom with a little more cant which seems to keep the gun closer especially when bending forward. Other then that, I approve of the change. The price point is much better for sure. I received mine within 3 days of ordering.
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:00:47 PM EDT
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I couldn’t find my manual to save my life. What are you referring to specifically? |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 10:42:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you remove the retention screw and post completely, there should be a washer sandwiched in between the holster halves. |
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Posted: 11/30/2018 9:51:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you remove the retention screw and post completely, there should be a washer sandwiched in between the holster halves.  Attached File Attached FileI guess I’ll email RCS Monday. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 1:53:14 PM EDT
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Does anyone know why the Perum for the tlr7/8 is no longer on Ravens website? I bought one when they first came out and went to buy another and they are not listed.
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Posted: 12/3/2018 9:28:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s not in the manual anywhere. I adjusted it towards the max setting as per the manual before I posted. I took the screw and post out (even though my manual says not to) and found no washer in between the halves. I’ve also tried both my X300Us and neither worked right. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172095/0BDF46B3-FE89-4ACF-AA36-9AD9DEB7C9E0_jpeg-756658.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172095/9664B315-7C73-4F7E-BB37-C2074E0717A2_jpeg-756661.JPG I guess I’ll email RCS Monday. The washer is shown in this picture. I had to remove it from my TLR-1 Perun LC due to poor fit. Once I removed it, I could get the retention so tight the gun will not want to come out. 
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Posted: 12/3/2018 4:07:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s not in the manual anywhere. I adjusted it towards the max setting as per the manual before I posted. I took the screw and post out (even though my manual says not to) and found no washer in between the halves. I’ve also tried both my X300Us and neither worked right. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172095/0BDF46B3-FE89-4ACF-AA36-9AD9DEB7C9E0_jpeg-756658.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172095/9664B315-7C73-4F7E-BB37-C2074E0717A2_jpeg-756661.JPG I guess I’ll email RCS Monday. If you're having fitment issues, contact customer service at [email protected] and we will get you taken care of. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 4:38:36 PM EDT
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Just to update the thread for those who were asking when new models would come available, we now have Peruns for the following:
- Ruger LC9, LC9S, EC9, and EC9S - Sig P320C and X-Carry (with and without thumb-safety) - Glock 19M + Surefire XC-1 A&B The new QMS Adaptor (0-degree cant) is also now available for the Perun and Perun LC. If you keep this page bookmarked, you'll always see when we add new models: https://rcsgear.com/perun-strongside-owb/ On top of all this, there are SIX more models expected to drop in January and February 2019. There is more info about these as well as additional new products on Soldier Systems Daily: http://soldiersystems.net/2018/11/22/raven-concealment-systems-launches-new-products/ If anyone has additional questions, I am happy to answer them here. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 8:24:21 AM EDT
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Perun for TLR7 by chance, please?
Good thread overall, but I think some customers - past or current - here could be more polite -- as the alternative is a business owner not engaging in this manner. Running a business to satisfy "everyone" in the Internet/Social Media Age isn't exactly easy nor a science. |
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