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Posted: 6/7/2012 12:44:00 PM EDT
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I've heard they recommend the 124. Higher velocity. I picked up a box of 147s. I use a suppressor.
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Posted: 6/7/2012 1:33:23 PM EDT
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The 124 +p and 147 grain are on the FBI "approved" ammo list. The standard 124 gr. is not. I still think any of them are great rounds.
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Posted: 6/7/2012 1:57:00 PM EDT
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The 124 +p and 147 grain are on the FBI "approved" ammo list. The standard 124 gr. is not. I still think any of them are great rounds. Not sure why it's not as testing posted on M4C showed comparable expansion and slightly more penetration compared to the +P version. |
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Posted: 6/7/2012 3:52:51 PM EDT
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The 124 gr +P kick a little harder and make a louder bang. The 147 gr. feel nice.
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Posted: 6/7/2012 4:19:17 PM EDT
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I prefer any modern loading in 147. Older 147 ammo gave the load a bad name as many older 147 gr projectiles did not expand. Newer 147 is not a problem and I carry it when carrying a 9mm ( Ranger T 147gr or HST 147gr).
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Posted: 6/7/2012 9:12:31 PM EDT
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If you can't remember which round, always get the heavier one.
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Posted: 6/9/2012 8:00:38 AM EDT
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The 124 GD seem to expand better
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Posted: 6/10/2012 12:53:51 AM EDT
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Unscientific, but if they're both on the FBI list, I tend to go for the heavier bullet weight. Just a personal preference, I find that heavier loads tend to be easier for me to shoot well for some reason. 180gr in .40, 147 in 9mm, 230gr in .45...
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Posted: 6/11/2012 4:13:52 AM EDT
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 According to Speer's chart, they ALL underpenetrate except for the 147g in bare gelatin:
Link to speer chart that is downloadable I was a Gold Dot fan until I really compared all the data. I have a spreadsheet in the Ammo FAQ (about 1/2 way down, zoom your browser to about 200% to make it readable): Best Choices Defensive Ammo Another thing I got from my chart, and mentioned above, heavier is almost always better. |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 4:22:51 AM EDT
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Personally I go with the 147s
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Posted: 6/11/2012 2:17:10 PM EDT
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According to Speer's chart, they ALL underpenetrate except for the 147g in bare gelatin:
Link to speer chart that is downloadable I was a Gold Dot fan until I really compared all the data. I have a spreadsheet in the Ammo FAQ (about 1/2 way down, zoom your browser to about 200% to make it readable): Best Choices Defensive Ammo Another thing I got from my chart, and mentioned above, heavier is almost always better. Thanks soulman. What do you carry now? |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 2:23:51 PM EDT
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I use, and prefer, the 147 grain
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Posted: 6/11/2012 4:58:37 PM EDT
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The 124 +p and 147 grain are on the FBI "approved" ammo list. The standard 124 gr. is not. I still think any of them are great rounds. Not sure why it's not as testing posted on M4C showed comparable expansion and slightly more penetration compared to the +P version. There are several 124gr standard pressure rounds included on ARFcom's list. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:21:45 AM EDT
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Thanks soulman. What do you carry now? I stocked up on HST's for everything. It really seems to be head and shoulders above the rest. 147g for 9mm 180g for .40 230g +P for .45 |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:35:24 AM EDT
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More of a generic statement than a what and why answer.
I can only speak for my company that formed in 1997. In Gold Dot 9mm the 124+P sells better than the 147 and the standard 124. Conversely with the HST and the Ranger products the 147 blows the others out of the water in sales. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 1:37:55 PM EDT
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All I have is 124gr+p GD's. It's what shoots best out of a full size Glock & Beretta.
I carry .40 anyway, so 9mm is not used much. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:06:56 PM EDT
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It's been a while but I performed my own test with several different loads including silvertips, winchester 147 and the golddots. I do not remember what grain the gold dots were at that time (almost 15 years ago) but I used several different mediums. Boxes of river mud, wet phone books and the actual river bank itself. the gold dots outperformed all the defense loads I tested in penetration, expansion, bullet retention and wound cavity. I think it was the 124 grain gold dot...don't know if the 147 gold dot was available then. But I remember that it made a markedly larger hold and cavity in the river bank and boxed mud tests and had deeper penetration as well. The silvertips underperformed for penetration so I used the rest of what I had for range ammo. That's my two cents based solely on my own redneck testing. YMMV but I carry the gold dots and have no lack of confidence in them. might have to do a test on the 14 vs the 124 now.
Edit for accuracy. I now carry a .40 and the 9mm is relegated to the safe however I still carry the gold dots. When I tested the 9 I also tested 357 since that was the load my girlfriend carried. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:03:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The 124 +p and 147 grain are on the FBI "approved" ammo list. The standard 124 gr. is not. I still think any of them are great rounds. Not sure why it's not as testing posted on M4C showed comparable expansion and slightly more penetration compared to the +P version. It may simply not have been tested. I try to keep my chart synced with Doc Roberts' listing, so I may have overlooked it too - is it on his recommended list? |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:20:08 AM EDT
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While I'm sure the 147gr works fine, as a reloader I was never comfortable with putting such a heavy bullet given the 9mm's small case capacity.
The 124gr just seems to be a better balance of bullet weight vs/ room for powder. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 1:01:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 124 +p and 147 grain are on the FBI "approved" ammo list. The standard 124 gr. is not. I still think any of them are great rounds. Not sure why it's not as testing posted on M4C showed comparable expansion and slightly more penetration compared to the +P version. It may simply not have been tested. I try to keep my chart synced with Doc Roberts' listing, so I may have overlooked it too - is it on his recommended list? On a recent update, the standard pressure 124gr Gold Dot was added to the list. I checked the list here on AR15 too, it shows both the standard 124 and +P 124 gr Gold Dots now. |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 5:41:42 PM EDT
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I carry the 147 because A) I prefer heavier rounds in a given caliber, and B) it is on our authorized ammo list.
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Posted: 6/14/2012 5:47:31 PM EDT
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While I'm sure the 147gr works fine, as a reloader I was never comfortable with putting such a heavy bullet given the 9mm's small case capacity. The 124gr just seems to be a better balance of bullet weight vs/ room for powder. Why ? |
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Posted: 6/15/2012 3:50:33 PM EDT
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I am not sure that there's a nickle's worth of difference between either load.
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Posted: 6/18/2012 2:54:50 AM EDT
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While I'm sure the 147gr works fine, as a reloader I was never comfortable with putting such a heavy bullet given the 9mm's small case capacity. The 124gr just seems to be a better balance of bullet weight vs/ room for powder. Why ? Not sure. It just never "felt" right. |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 6:51:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: Not sure. It just never "felt" right. Objective testing shows otherwise. |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 7:15:56 AM EDT
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Not sure. It just never "felt" right. Objective testing shows otherwise. It just felt like loading a 250gr bullet into a .38 special case. It just goes into the case too far for my liking. I know it works, but I don't feel like being objective. 
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Posted: 6/18/2012 11:52:46 AM EDT
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Per the 2 ATK engineers I spoke with at the SHOT Show last January, the +P 124 Gold Dot is their best 9mm Gold Dot product. Besting that round is the 147gr+P Federal HST. The 124 +P HST is third in their line. From the horses mouth.
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Posted: 6/19/2012 5:17:49 PM EDT
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Not sure. It just never "felt" right. Objective testing shows otherwise. It just felt like loading a 250gr bullet into a .38 special case. It just goes into the case too far for my liking. I know it works, but I don't feel like being objective.
I had the same feeling when I started loading 147gr Gold Dots, but they shoot just fine. |
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Posted: 6/30/2012 4:25:54 PM EDT
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When using an AR in 9mm caliber does it really matter between 124 and 147? I don't think it does.
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Posted: 6/30/2012 6:44:37 PM EDT
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147gr. I favor a bit more penetration to (maybe) a bit more expansion. The heavier one offers better barrier performance. And, the 147gr recoil better.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 11:38:26 AM EDT
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147gr. I favor a bit more penetration to (maybe) a bit more expansion. The heavier one offers better barrier performance. And, the 147gr recoil better. I have heard Doc Roberts say that the 124 GD expands better than the 147 |
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Posted: 7/10/2012 8:05:33 AM EDT
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From the ATK Gold Dot poster
124gr Gold Dot 147gr Gold Dot Bare Gel Bare Gel P= 11.35 P=12.58 EX=.682 DIA EX = 660 RW 123.9grs RW = 146.9grs 124gr Gold Dot 147gr Gold Dot IWBA IWBA P=16.43 P=16.93 EX=.555 EX=.540 RW 124.5grs RW= 146.2grs Gold Dot 124gr +P Gold Dot 124+ P Bare Gel IWBA P= 11.78 P= 15.88 EX=.720 EX= 560 RW=124.3grs RW= 124.5grs |
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Posted: 7/10/2012 10:10:33 PM EDT
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I use, and prefer, the 147 grain |
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Posted: 7/12/2012 4:29:28 PM EDT
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Gold Dot 124gr+P is what shoots best out of My Kahr PM-9. Unless I hit what I aim at expansion doesn't matter, nor does depth of penetration so I shoot what I'm confident in. Hell I wouldn't want to step in front of a WWB 115gr for that matter from a good shot ! ........WVleo
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Posted: 7/13/2012 4:16:27 AM EDT
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. Unless I hit what I aim at expansion doesn't matter, nor does depth of penetration so I shoot what I'm confident in ........WVleo I agree you got to make hits . But penetration does matter. |
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Posted: 7/14/2012 6:22:57 AM EDT
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Would length of barrel be an issue here. The heavier rounds go slower and the it takes speed for a round to expand . At least that is what I've understood. I'm sure once you throw the +p variable in there it can equalize things
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Posted: 7/14/2012 9:26:44 AM EDT
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According to Dr. Roberts, in 9mm there's very little difference between 4" and 3.5" barrels. However, anything shorter than 3.5" is a different deal. |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 3:11:26 PM EDT
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From what I have read over the years, I doubt you could go wrong with either one. The difference in the two is pretty much splitting hairs. My CHL load is the 124 +P GDHP. 4073 |
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