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Posted: 3/28/2023 4:28:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PursuitSS]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKMAN74: Not really sure where to post this, I’ve got a M&P 5.7 and got some older ammo, got some SS192 and SS196 should I shoot it or sell it? Send it to Elite for conversion? Thanks Sell it! I ran three full magazines of FN SS198 (Green Tip) It ran FLAWLESSLY Federal American Eagle is TOTAL CRAP!!!! S&W will not tell you not to use Federal (Fiocchi) because of the liability involved! |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2023 5:36:22 PM EDT
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What are SS192 and SS196 valued at currently?
Anybody ran Elite S4 through the 5.7 M&P yet? |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 7:14:27 PM EDT
[#3]
So for the reloaders. What do you coat the brass with??
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Posted: 3/28/2023 7:32:09 PM EDT
[#4]
I run it until the Factory coating fails!
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Posted: 3/28/2023 7:34:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKMAN74: What are SS192 and SS196 valued at currently? Anybody ran Elite S4 through the 5.7 M&P yet? I fired a FEW rounds of Elite S4 and it worked! As to the value of SS192 & SS196…..I have no idea! |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 12:04:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKMAN74: What are SS192 and SS196 valued at currently? Anybody ran Elite S4 through the 5.7 M&P yet? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKMAN74: What are SS192 and SS196 valued at currently? Anybody ran Elite S4 through the 5.7 M&P yet? Originally Posted By DOG556: So for the reloaders. What do you coat the brass with?? I got my M&P 57 in today. My gosh the grip is horrible. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 12:47:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rlex]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: Sell it! I ran three full magazines of FN SS198 (Green Tip) It ran FLAWLESSLY Federal American Eagle is TOTAL CRAP!!!! S&W will not tell you not to use Federal (Fiocchi) because of the liability involved! Withdrawn... |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 1:19:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rlex: Can you point us to a statement from S&W that they do not recommend Federal 5.7x 28 for the S&W 5.7? Thank you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rlex: Originally Posted By PursuitSS: Sell it! I ran three full magazines of FN SS198 (Green Tip) It ran FLAWLESSLY Federal American Eagle is TOTAL CRAP!!!! S&W will not tell you not to use Federal (Fiocchi) because of the liability involved! Can you point us to a statement from S&W that they do not recommend Federal 5.7x 28 for the S&W 5.7? Thank you. Read his last sentence again carefully. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 2:14:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Read his last sentence again carefully. Thanks, I missed the first not..... |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 9:47:32 PM EDT
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The AE TMJ may actually be fine in the M&P. I noted a nice healthy polished feedramp. I've run 7500rds of 5.7 over the last 3 yrs, and I've had less than 10 AE failures regarding the dreaded set back. That failure % is LOW. Is it under powered trash? Yep, but at least in my 11 5.7 guns doesn't seem to be an issue.
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Posted: 3/30/2023 2:31:55 AM EDT
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Look I don't have as much experience with the 5.7 as you guys do but, that AE can be salvaged.
If you reload, a good firm crimp can be applied with a Lee factory crimp die. Yeah a guy shouldn't need to. It also took the lot I have from all over a pie plate size down to 1 1\2" or so groups. And now I have 3 of these things. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 2:54:38 PM EDT
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Ok. Another 200 today and three problems. All at different times. All different mags. All federal red box. The case got stuck in the chamber, live round. Gun would not go bang and I had the to hammer the slide back out of battery to eject the stuck round. Have no idea why they are sticking.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 11:53:31 AM EDT
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Back when I played with x25 chambered pistols, a lot of that surplus had flaired and or boffed necks.
It would feed most of the way in the chamber but not extract if one didn't go off. Since they can't be bothered to crimp that stuff, maybe that's what's going on. Or the case is too long in the neck. Or the chamber is tight. 
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:06:58 PM EDT
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I don’t think the chamber is too tight because this has only happens a few times out of hundreds and hundreds of rounds. I’ll do a really good cleaning of it. Especially the chamber
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Posted: 4/3/2023 3:04:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: I don’t think the chamber is too tight because this has only happens a few times out of hundreds and hundreds of rounds. I’ll do a really good cleaning of it. Especially the chamber Make sure you clean your chamber with Acetone or Carburetor Cleaner, 5.7x28 brass leaves a deposit that is difficult to remove. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 3:17:57 PM EDT
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Will
Soaking in hoppes be ok? |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 8:21:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: Will Soaking in hoppes be ok? Supposedly it doesn’t remove the residue front the chamber. I soak Q-Tips in Carburetor Cleaner and wipe the chamber until the black residue is gone. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 9:04:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DOG556]
[#18]
Well. I did a major cleaning on the barrel. Soaked in hoppes then scrubbed it down again. I’m out of carb and brake cleaner. It was caked ! So we will see what happens next range trip.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 9:40:43 PM EDT
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There was a rumor on reddit that the M&P 5.7 might actually be able to run 5.7 without the casings being coated / lacquered.
No idea if true, but that would be a positive development. My buddies FsN MKII will only run reloads with the cases lubed, its that sensitive to coatings. And he's an extremely accomplished and experienced reloader of oddball/bottleneck cartridges. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 11:45:04 AM EDT
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Did I see that the Diamondback pistolish thing that takes AR mags is gas operated?
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Posted: 4/4/2023 9:43:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Did I see that the Diamondback pistolish thing that takes AR mags is gas operated? |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 12:36:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dale_Arthurs]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: Ok. Another 200 today and three problems. All at different times. All different mags. All federal red box. The case got stuck in the chamber, live round. Gun would not go bang and I had the to hammer the slide back out of battery to eject the stuck round. Have no idea why they are sticking. I had 2 of these failures within 75rds. No other ammo gave me any issues :S |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2023 3:33:57 PM EDT
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just picked up an M&P57. Now to get a red dot for it too (none of the ones I currently have "unused" fit, like the Eotech EFLX, naturally...)
I also have a decent amount of AE 5.7 on hand, and a Lee Factory Crimp die for 5.7. I'm thinking about running the AE through the crimp die for "just a touch" of crimping so see how it works..... |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 4:24:52 PM EDT
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What would that accomplish on factory ammo??
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2023 6:26:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: What would that accomplish on factory ammo?? the factory ammo utilizes an adhesive to (poorly) retain the bullet in the AE57 load. My thought is that adding a light crimp will help prevent bullet setback or separation issues, but not affect chamber pressures or anything. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 6:54:16 PM EDT
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Hmmm. I’m interested now in your findings
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Posted: 4/19/2023 6:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scollins: the factory ammo utilizes an adhesive to (poorly) retain the bullet in the AE57 load. My thought is that adding a light crimp will help prevent bullet setback or separation issues, but not affect chamber pressures or anything. Several members of fnforum.net have performed this step. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 9:20:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scollins: the factory ammo utilizes an adhesive to (poorly) retain the bullet in the AE57 load. My thought is that adding a light crimp will help prevent bullet setback or separation issues, but not affect chamber pressures or anything. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2023 12:33:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buffman_LT1: It's more of an issue with guns without a feed ramp specifically P90 magazine guns. The M&P has a feedramp so stoppages related to AE TMJ should be (should be) less. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buffman_LT1: Originally Posted By Scollins: the factory ammo utilizes an adhesive to (poorly) retain the bullet in the AE57 load. My thought is that adding a light crimp will help prevent bullet setback or separation issues, but not affect chamber pressures or anything. Now that you mention it, yes, it has been a bigger issue in my PS90 vs. Ruger 57 pistol (likely going bye-bye if I like the S&W more/better....) |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 12:53:55 AM EDT
[#30]
Are the 5.7 front and rear sights/ dovetails the same as regular M&P full size sights??
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Posted: 5/7/2023 9:34:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Well, I fired 88 rounds through my S&W 5.7 today! 44 rounds of FN SS198 (Green Tip)
& 44 rounds of Federal American Eagle (Fiocchi) It ran FLAWLESSLY through four full magazines. I don’t know whether the magazines are NOW broke in or it’s because I sanded the followers with 2,500 grit sandpaper and sprayed the inside of the magazine with Remington DriLube. But it’s NOW working even with CRAP Federal American Eagle! I’m now confident to carry it with Elite Ammunition S4. 
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Posted: 5/7/2023 10:01:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: Well, I fired 88 rounds through my S&W 5.7 today! 44 rounds of FN SS198 (Green Tip) & 44 rounds of Federal American Eagle (Fiocchi) It ran FLAWLESSLY through four full magazines. I don’t know whether the magazines are NOW broke in or it’s because I sanded the followers with 2,500 grit sandpaper and sprayed the inside of the magazine with Remington DriLube. But it’s NOW working even with CRAP Federal American Eagle! I’m now confident to carry it with Elite Ammunition S4. https://i.imgur.com/HJpCTGl.jpg Good to hear! Would you remind me what holster you are running with that setup? |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 10:25:47 PM EDT
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I’m currently looking for one.
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Posted: 5/7/2023 10:30:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: Are the 5.7 front and rear sights/ dovetails the same as regular M&P full size sights?? NO!’Supposedly the S&W CORE sights are the same. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 10:53:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: NO!’Supposedly the S&W CORE sights are the same. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: Originally Posted By DOG556: Are the 5.7 front and rear sights/ dovetails the same as regular M&P full size sights?? NO!’Supposedly the S&W CORE sights are the same. From S&W customer service Thank you for contacting Smith & Wesson, the sights on the 5.7 are like the ones that go on our shield series firearms (not our full-size 2.0 firearms) and the optic cut is SMS. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2023 12:53:41 PM EDT
[#36]
So how are these holding up? Any more blown up .22 bore cans?
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Posted: 5/28/2023 10:26:19 PM EDT
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Here’s a new review
 The Truth About The S&W M&P 5.7 1000 Round Review: A Real Life Ray Gun |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 9:28:21 AM EDT
[#38]
Does anyone have the torque specs for the holosun to the 5.7 pistol?
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Posted: 6/13/2023 11:21:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: Does anyone have the torque specs for the holosun to the 5.7 pistol? |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 12:33:06 PM EDT
[#40]
That’s the problem. No one has specifics from the mfg
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Posted: 6/13/2023 1:44:35 PM EDT
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Holosun HS507K instructions say 15 inch pounds.
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Posted: 6/14/2023 8:14:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By okboom: Holosun HS507K instructions say 15 inch pounds. When all else fails….read the instructions |
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Posted: 6/18/2023 1:49:50 PM EDT
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BUFFMAN- what’s the fastest production 5.7x28 ammo out there right now?
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Posted: 6/19/2023 12:12:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: BUFFMAN- what's the fastest production 5.7x28 ammo out there right now? |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 7:15:22 AM EDT
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I’ll
Consider any mfg. just want your opinion on who makes the fastest… |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 12:30:21 PM EDT
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Fastest Factory FN loading: SS198LF. You're looking at 2,050-2,200 fps out of the handguns depending on temperature and barrel length, and upwards of 2,500 fps from a 16".
Fastest round personally tested by myself exclusive of manufacturer's claims: Elite Ammo's S4, and T6B. I've clocked the S4/M/UR variant at 2,400-2,450 fps from the handguns. I've clocked the 28gr variant of T6B going 2,375-2,400 fps from the pistol. It's been a long time since I've used T6B. At one time it was 32gr, then he cut the weight back down. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 2:49:24 PM EDT
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Is vanguard's black fang stuff similar speeds to t6b?
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Posted: 6/19/2023 4:15:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JK-919: Is vanguard's black fang stuff similar speeds to t6b? Along these lines, have you ever done a head-to-head comparison between the BDF and the T6B? I'm curious which one is the better performer in gel/armor based on your testing. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 9:10:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JK-919: Is vanguard's black fang stuff similar speeds to t6b? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JK-919: Is vanguard's black fang stuff similar speeds to t6b? Originally Posted By rudderbutter: Along these lines, have you ever done a head-to-head comparison between the BDF and the T6B? I'm curious which one is the better performer in gel/armor based on your testing. I try to avoid head to head comparisons as in general most manufacturers don't like it, and since I'm poor I rely heavily on donations of their ammo. The barrier performance claims of EA's super rare copper choice really haven't been quantified as being any better than BDF. The softer copper in the BDF and lower speed will lose out to the T6B against soft armor though. I truly wish a bigger agency would demo the copper exotic loads and give us more data to see which one would come out on top. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 2:03:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buffman_LT1: It's slower; about 1950-2100 fps depending on the lot. The first couple of lots I got from VG were at the introduction of his new brass so they were carefully working up loads. I try to avoid head to head comparisons as in general most manufacturers don't like it, and since I'm poor I rely heavily on donations of their ammo. The barrier performance claims of EA's super rare copper choice really haven't been quantified as being any better than BDF. The softer copper in the BDF and lower speed will lose out to the T6B against soft armor though. I truly wish a bigger agency would demo the copper exotic loads and give us more data to see which one would come out on top. Makes sense, thanks for the detailed response! Have you noticed any difference between the two alloys as far as fragmentation in gel tests? I can't decide if I think the softer alloy would break up more reliably or at lower velocity, or if the harder one would due to brittleness? |
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