Is Sig's quality dropping?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Is Sig's quality dropping?

Posted: 3/9/2006 2:51:33 PM EDT

I have been hearing rumors that the quality of Sig Sauer pistols has been droping lately esp. since the introduction of the rails. I have heard that some law enforcement agencies are starting to trade their's in for Glocks. I have also heard that they are exhibiting extensive wear after just a few hundred rounds and multiple parts breakages. Can anyone provide some feedback on this? Anyone have any of the new production rail pistols who have experienced this? If you guys have one which as had at least 5 or 6 hundred rounds through it I'd love to see some pics of your frames.

Posted: 3/9/2006 3:38:06 PM EDT

[#1]

I had a new P220R that I had to replace the mainspring on due to it only firing on DA. The insides looked like it had been fired alot and when I compared it to a friend new P226R his looked the same if not worse. He tried to take his back because he thought it was used but the dealer pulled several new ones off the shelf and they all looked the same. My P220R wouldn't lock the slide back after the last shot except on the old style 7rd mags. My old W. German 15yr old P220 is totally reliable and never ever had a problem with it. If I want a railed gun I'll buy a Glock.

Posted: 3/9/2006 9:43:24 PM EDT

[#2]

My latest Sig, a P229R DAK seems as well made as any Sig I've ever owned. I only have around 100 rounds through it so far but it doesn't seem to be wearing at an accellerated rate. I love the DAK trigger, too. Super sweet shooter. I wish my department would go from Glocks to Sig P229R's with the DAK trigger.

All manufacturers have problems. I think Sig is as reliable as anything made. They've lost nothing in my eyes, except for the pot metal slide on the Mosquito...

Posted: 3/10/2006 8:09:38 AM EDT

[#3]

Remember, over a year ago, their 1911s had a ton of problems. As far as I know, that has been taken care of.

Posted: 3/10/2006 8:31:12 AM EDT

[#4]

My wife just bought a new Sig 229 with the tactical rail and it seems to be as well made as the Sig 229 I recently sold which I had owned for 10 years or so. At any rate, it was a pre-ban gun with standard capacity mags stock. I'm a machinist (We make airplane parts as well as stuff for the firearms industry) and I have always been impressed with the quality of the machining on the sig pistols. If you're worried buy a CPO pistol.

Posted: 3/10/2006 9:02:16 AM EDT

[#5]

Ive been waiting almost 7wks now for a safety switch for my Mosquito. Initially they didnt have them in green and when I called back after a couple weeks for status told them black would do. They implied that black was indeed available. I wait another 4wks and am told they have no record of my request for a safety switch. This time though the customer service person walks back and grabs one promising to mail it right away.

Posted: 3/10/2006 9:29:14 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Ive been waiting almost 7wks now for a safety switch for my Mosquito. Initially they didnt have them in green and when I called back after a couple weeks for status told them black would do. They implied that black was indeed available. I wait another 4wks and am told they have no record of my request for a safety switch. This time though the customer service person walks back and grabs one promising to mail it right away.

Now that sucks... but customer service pretty much sucks everywhere these days... Good luck on gettin' yer skeeter back up and running soon.

Posted: 3/11/2006 1:58:30 PM EDT

[#7]

OK...now for an update. I called SIG back on Thurs (evening their time) and spoke w/ someone in customer service (Lynne). I explained how long I had been waiting and asked for an update. Short story is they had NO record of my request.

HOWEVER, she walked back to the gunsmithing area, grabbed a black safety switch and promised to send it straight away. She indicated that I should expect it mid week (this coming week). I was surprised to find it along w/ some freebies inc'ing a new Mosquito mag in the mail pile last night! Awesome...Im glad they did the right thing and got it out w/o delay. I do appreciate the new mag but just getting my weapon back into working order was enough. My hats off to Lynne and the extra effort she put out to get my request completed...

Posted: 3/11/2006 2:10:27 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
OK...now for an update. I called SIG back on Thurs (evening their time) and spoke w/ someone in customer service (Lynne). I explained how long I had been waiting and asked for an update. Short story is they had NO record of my request. HOWEVER, she walked back to the gunsmithing area, grabbed a black safety switch and promised to send it straight away. She indicated that I should expect it mid week (this coming week). I was surprised to find it along w/ some freebies inc'ing a new Mosquito mag in the mail pile last night! Awesome...Im glad they did the right thing and got it out w/o delay. I do appreciate the new mag but just getting my weapon back into working order was enough. My hats off to Lynne and the extra effort she put out to get my request completed...

Another positive final outcome with Sigarms CS. I will probably go ahead and pick up a Mosquito soon. I'll chance the odd problem since there's no apparent reason to believe Sig won't take care of it. It's not like I'll be counting on it as a carry gun.

Thanks for the follow-up.

Posted: 3/13/2006 9:19:18 PM EDT

[#9]

My 2004 P220ST is very nice, but I've seen pics of ST's on sigforum where there were some machining marks left near the breachface. Mine, however, is as nice as my german made P228.

It could be true that since SiG transfered production to the US (all rail frames are made in the US) that they might have some difficulty keeping the attention to detail as strict as the Germans. EDIT: Found out this isn't true)

They have been having massive government orders to fill and it could be that some days they are rushing the guns out quicker than they should. But this is just my guess.

Posted: 3/14/2006 1:43:11 PM EDT

[#10]

My 2005 P220ST would not work new out of the box. Mag catch will not engage.
This shouldn't have happened in the first place.
I bought a brand new Sig P2009. Sure enough, rust inside firing control. Come on, it's a freakin new gun! I guess they didn't Store In Grease.

I heard all good things about how Sig will reimburse you for shipping and how great their CS. I asked nicely about it but that didn't go anywhere. It took me BBB to get them to shell out the dough to fix their mistake.

They have been having massive government orders to fill and it could be that some days they are rushing the guns out quicker than they should

HK also won a contract for their P2000, but I picked up a new one in December, still top notch quality. Never a problem with my HK.

Posted: 3/14/2006 11:06:54 PM EDT

[#11]

I have a Sig 229 DAK that is 2 years old and I have never had a single failure.

Posted: 3/15/2006 1:18:04 PM EDT

[#12]

I bought a sig P226R about 6 months ago, no problem. Just as smooth as my 92 P226 and my 90 P220.

Posted: 3/15/2006 4:15:05 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
I have a Sig 229 DAK that is 2 years old and I have never had a single failure.

I thought the DAK trigger was just released late '05/early '06???

Posted: 3/19/2006 8:59:59 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
It could be true that since SiG transfered production to the US (all rail frames are made in the US) that they might have some difficulty keeping the attention to detail as strict as the Germans.

My new 226 rail says

-SIGARMS INC. EXETER NH-
FRAME MADE IN GERMANY

Its definately a rail gun too.