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Posted: 3/21/2017 7:56:20 PM EDT
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I doubt we've seen the final iteration of the pistol. It's still the XM-17, not the M-17.
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Posted: 3/21/2017 8:17:13 PM EDT
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Do you know if they're getting the tritium night sights? They could probably save a pretty penny if they bought slides with contrast sights and no red dot cutout for issue to people who aren't really going into combat, and then only have slides with the tritium sights and MAYBE the red dot cutout for special cases. Tbh if it were up to be I would get rid of the sight plate on the xm17. It's an extra thing that Sig has to do and therfore charge more for and it's another part for Sgt Dummy to fuck with and misplace. And does anyone seriously think the Army is ever going to start issuing RMRs on sidearms? I could MAYBE see special forces using RMRs on pistols, but they use whatever guns they want anyway, so why pay more for red dot cutouts on a mass issue sidearm? |
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Posted: 3/22/2017 1:48:41 AM EDT
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I doubt we will ever see Army issue red dots on rifles. I mean Special Forces use them, but they get to use whatever they want anyway. |
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Posted: 3/22/2017 8:02:17 AM EDT
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You mean pistols right?  20 years ago they said the same thing about optics on standard issue rifles.
That being said, if the mil goes with standard sights on the M17, it will be because of cost, not because of perceived lack of need. |
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Posted: 3/22/2017 8:20:47 AM EDT
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I read it as tongue-in-cheek about how soldiers don't need night sights on pistols. 20 years ago they said the same thing about optics on standard issue rifles.
That being said, if the mil goes with standard sights on the M17, it will be because of cost, not because of perceived lack of need. From a taxpayer standpoint it makes more fiscal sense to use standard sights and maybe replace with night sights when necessary. |
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Posted: 3/22/2017 8:25:42 AM EDT
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Do you know if they're getting the tritium night sights? They could probably save a pretty penny if they bought slides with contrast sights and no red dot cutout for issue to people who aren't really going into combat, and then only have slides with the tritium sights and MAYBE the red dot cutout for special cases. Tbh if it were up to be I would get rid of the sight plate on the xm17. It's an extra thing that Sig has to do and therfore charge more for and it's another part for Sgt Dummy to fuck with and misplace. And does anyone seriously think the Army is ever going to start issuing RMRs on sidearms? I could MAYBE see special forces using RMRs on pistols, but they use whatever guns they want anyway, so why pay more for red dot cutouts on a mass issue sidearm? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. If the rumors are true the Army is paying $207 per pistol. I'm sure that's without any mags or any other accessories but, from a taxpayer standpoint, I think that's great. They could probably save a pretty penny if they bought slides with contrast sights and no red dot cutout for issue to people who aren't really going into combat, and then only have slides with the tritium sights and MAYBE the red dot cutout for special cases. Tbh if it were up to be I would get rid of the sight plate on the xm17. It's an extra thing that Sig has to do and therfore charge more for and it's another part for Sgt Dummy to fuck with and misplace. And does anyone seriously think the Army is ever going to start issuing RMRs on sidearms? I could MAYBE see special forces using RMRs on pistols, but they use whatever guns they want anyway, so why pay more for red dot cutouts on a mass issue sidearm? Eventually the P320 will be in that system too. And, like with the SCAR and 416, SOF will end up defering to what their parent service provides so they can stop spending money on handguns. The Glock provides enough advantage over the M9 to make the expenditure worth it. I can't imagine SOCOM continuing to spend money on additional guns when the P320 also find that niche and will be available "free" from parent services. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:59:28 AM EDT
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I wonder if ETS will get in on mag production? Would be a goldmine for them
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Posted: 3/28/2017 4:54:42 AM EDT
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I wonder if ETS will get in on mag production? Would be a goldmine for them Gray Guns and Apex are making triggers and Springer Precision makes guide rods and a few other parts. I assume a semi-drop in or full gunsmith barrel is on the way from someone. Likely the same for aftermarket converion kits. Something like a 7.62x25 kit for the 45 frame might be fun to mess with although that ammo isn't as prevalent as it once was. |
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Posted: 3/29/2017 6:53:20 AM EDT
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Weill I was on the fence to decide what my next handgun will be, but this latest development with more getting on board with the 320, means I will have to get another one to the other two that I already have. But which one? Black compact or black full size? Hmmmmm....
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Posted: 3/29/2017 7:16:20 AM EDT
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Does anyone have the actual award press release from ICE?
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:46:47 PM EDT
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A bit about the XM17. No mention of ICE but he probably wasn't aware of their testing during filming.
Edited to wonder about the barrel problems mentioned in the video. What is the issue? Accuracy problems? Premature wear on the locking and camming surfaces?  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 6:20:34 AM EDT
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I was able to pickup a 320 Compact in 9mm. I ordered some extra magazines that I had a discount coupon for. They are on backorder, go figure.
My gun was produced on President's Day (2/20/2017). I'd like to pick up a Full Size or Sub Compact X-change kit, but everyone seems to be sold out of the kit. Rumor has it that Sig is / has added additional production capacity to fulfill the government contracts. Hopefully they can start filling these back orders. In addition to the X-Change kits going up in price to $399, the P320 pistols price is creeping up as well. |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 7:32:51 AM EDT
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At this point, if you want an x-change kit you'd be better off buying the complete gun and then selling off the FCU if you wanted to.
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Posted: 4/5/2017 9:28:24 PM EDT
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wife is getting my a FDE P320C 9mm for my birthday this month, was told it would be a 4-6 week wait on it.
Does this sound right as far as the wait? I have carried the same Glock for 16 yrs so there is no big hurry. Can't decide on the carry or compact model. |
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Posted: 4/5/2017 10:23:37 PM EDT
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wife is getting my a FDE P320C 9mm for my birthday this month, was told it would be a 4-6 week wait on it. Does this sound right as far as the wait? I have carried the same Glock for 16 yrs so there is no big hurry. Can't decide on the carry or compact model. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 3:03:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2017 11:23:48 AM EDT
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FN appears to be protesting  . The fact that hardly anybody uses any FN pistol as a duty gun, or even knows someone that owns one should be a clue that FN isn't what agencies are looking for in a duty weapon.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 3:51:44 PM EDT
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Appealing on your lost bid is pretty much standard operating procedure now. FN pistols . The fact that hardly anybody uses any FN pistol as a duty gun, or even knows someone that owns one should be a clue that FN isn't what agencies are looking for in a duty weapon. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:07:44 AM EDT
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FN has just announced a new handgun called the 509. It's a safe bet that this was the ICE contestant.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/4/17/fn-america-launches-mhs-entry-the-509-9-mm-pistol/ |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:25:17 AM EDT
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Appealing on your lost bid is pretty much standard operating procedure now. FN pistols . The fact that hardly anybody uses any FN pistol as a duty gun, or even knows someone that owns one should be a clue that FN isn't what agencies are looking for in a duty weapon.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FN appears to be protesting . The fact that hardly anybody uses any FN pistol as a duty gun, or even knows someone that owns one should be a clue that FN isn't what agencies are looking for in a duty weapon. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 1:13:58 PM EDT
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Columbia SC and Baltimore County MD are the only large ones I know of. That 509 looks interesting. The rear sight looks like it solved the one handed rack the slide issue. Also it looks like they lowered the height of the ambi mag release to lessen the chance of bumping it in the holster. Hopefully they put the FNSL sized sear in it. David
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Posted: 4/17/2017 2:04:17 PM EDT
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The way I look at it, is that for carry, the main difficulty in concealing the gun is the grip sticking out. The barrel / slide goes down your leg, so I could care less if I have a full size barrel. In fact I prefer it! So in my opinion the "Carry" model is an oxymoron, you might as well have a full size gun if you're going to be concealing a full size grip. Otherwise, get the smaller gun all around and go with the compact. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 10:10:58 PM EDT
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Glock mags are too wide at the top to fit through the fcu, but M9, 226 or BHP mags should be very doable Someone is going to end up coming out with a grip module. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:53:02 PM EDT
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M&P mags would probably fit also. Someone is going to end up coming out with a grip module. |
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Posted: 6/10/2017 5:46:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2017 7:34:24 PM EDT
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What about a Magpul grip module that accepts Magpul Glock mags? That ought to solve expensive proprietary mag issues. |
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Posted: 6/10/2017 7:50:31 PM EDT
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Wouldn't it be easier for magpul to make P320 Pmags instead??? This way anyone with a P320 can buy them instead of guys buying a grip module to accept other magazines?
P320 modules should be made only for 320 mags and only 320 mags. If Magpul decides to make 320 mags, even better. |
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Posted: 6/11/2017 6:35:11 AM EDT
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Wouldn't it be easier for magpul to make P320 Pmags instead??? This way anyone with a P320 can buy them instead of guys buying a grip module to accept other magazines? |
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Posted: 6/11/2017 8:00:58 AM EDT
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I haven't seen this posted on arfcom yet but it appears the ICE selection that has been rumored for a few months is official. These will be purchased in the Compact configuration. No word yet on when the first guns are to be received but I imagine we'll see initial deliveries soon. SIG is really stepping up their game with the 320. While not a DoD contract the ICE contract is still a nice feather in SIG's cap. will we ever see sig stand up again to big brother on things like the pistol brace and muzzlebrake definition hmmmm, i doubt it a 4D chess move might suggest that was the whole point |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 1:02:34 AM EDT
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will we ever see sig stand up again to big brother on things like the pistol brace and muzzlebrake definition hmmmm, i doubt it a 4D chess move might suggest that was the whole point |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 8:08:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2017 8:20:19 AM EDT
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I'm still waiting to see the official contract. Of course it doesn't matter as most carry what they want anyway.
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Posted: 7/23/2017 10:03:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis makes me wonder about caliber/frame size choice in the day and age of modular pistols.
I assume the ICE solicitation was for a Glock 19 sized pistol. At least that's the gun ICE was rumored to want. If that is true and the contract solicitation was put out for a medium-sized 9mm pistol how far can ICE push the envelope? Can ICE buy full-size pistols or pistols in a different caliber within the contract? If a company doesn't make a medium-sized pistol (S&W M&P) and didn't submit because of size restriction what recourse does this same company have if and when ICE starts buying full-size pistols? That's assuming that the chassis system wasn't specifically required by ICE. |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 10:15:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryNow, rumors among ICE officers indicate that the agency will attempt to buy the Sig Sauer P320 with the X-Carry variant frame.
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Posted: 7/23/2017 1:17:16 PM EDT
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I'm happy that Sig won the ICE contract but story is a whole lot of nothing. But, their website is getting clicks; which is, after all, the most important thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Now, rumors among ICE officers indicate that the agency will attempt to buy the Sig Sauer P320 with the X-Carry variant frame. |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 5:10:03 PM EDT
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Columbia SC and Baltimore County MD are the only large ones I know of. That 509 looks interesting. The rear sight looks like it solved the one handed rack the slide issue. Also it looks like they lowered the height of the ambi mag release to lessen the chance of bumping it in the holster. Hopefully they put the FNSL sized sear in it. David |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 7:09:06 PM EDT
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I have what was suppose to be a draft of the ICE solicitation at the office. I'll look over it and see. I know the solicitation I wrote was for specific criteria. Sig won the award with the P320 that fit the criteria. We order a specific model at an agreed price. I would think if Sig supplies a P320 at the contract price, whether it is a Carry or Carry X would not be an issue as long as they meet the original bid price. David
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Posted: 8/8/2017 10:51:21 AM EDT
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Any word from ICE about this contract in light of recent developments?
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Posted: 8/8/2017 3:00:15 PM EDT
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Any word from ICE about this contract in light of recent developments? SIG apparently has a fix, and I would imagine it will be implemented on whatever pistols they manufacture for ICE. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 3:13:37 PM EDT
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I have what was suppose to be a draft of the ICE solicitation at the office. I'll look over it and see. I know the solicitation I wrote was for specific criteria. Sig won the award with the P320 that fit the criteria. We order a specific model at an agreed price. I would think if Sig supplies a P320 at the contract price, whether it is a Carry or Carry X would not be an issue as long as they meet the original bid price. David |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 4:19:34 PM EDT
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I can't imagine anything will happen. SIG apparently has a fix, and I would imagine it will be implemented on whatever pistols they manufacture for ICE. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 12:30:02 AM EDT
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Has ICE not received any 320s for general issue then? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 4:59:06 AM EDT
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A bit about the XM17. No mention of ICE but he probably wasn't aware of their testing during filming. Edited to wonder about the barrel problems mentioned in the video. What is the issue? Accuracy problems? Premature wear on the locking and camming surfaces?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOHeASx7tdw |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:37:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:01:25 AM EDT
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Not necessarily new info but it does summarize what we know up to this point: Americanrifleman.org |
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Posted: 8/13/2017 10:55:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2017 9:05:51 AM EDT
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Not that I've seen around here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has ICE not received any 320s for general issue then? |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 5:02:20 PM EDT
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Please post all "drop test info, opinions or videos here http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_14/177768_SIG-320-drop-test-issue-and-SIG-s-Upgrade-program.html
I will lock this thread if there are anymore drop test posts in here, WE HAVE A THREAD FOR THE DROP ISSUE AND THESE POSTS ARE MAKING THIS A DUPE THREAD |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 9:41:45 AM EDT
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Very interesting: http://soldiersystems.net/2017/10/12/dhs-selects-sig-sauer-p320/
X-carry frame with regular slide and trigger? |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 10:27:49 AM EDT
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Very interesting: http://soldiersystems.net/2017/10/12/dhs-selects-sig-sauer-p320/ X-carry frame with regular slide and trigger? 
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