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Posted: 2/22/2017 5:44:02 PM EDT
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I haven't seen this posted on arfcom yet but it appears the ICE selection that has been rumored for a few months is official. These will be purchased in the Compact configuration. No word yet on when the first guns are to be received but I imagine we'll see initial deliveries soon. SIG is really stepping up their game with the 320. While not a DoD contract the ICE contract is still a nice feather in SIG's cap. Source? |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 6:26:56 PM EDT
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Source? An ICE employee. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 6:55:43 PM EDT
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Jesus. I'll never find what I want now.
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Posted: 2/22/2017 7:52:23 PM EDT
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They will be in short supply soon . most dealers around here can not find any to order in for guys. They are high on their mag prices and the grip modules are real hard to find . I have two a 320 L/E compact and a late build full size in 9mm and they are flawless .
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Posted: 2/22/2017 8:37:59 PM EDT
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They will be in short supply soon . most dealers around here can not find any to order in for guys. They are high on their mag prices and the grip modules are real hard to find . I have two a 320 L/E compact and a late build full size in 9mm and they are flawless . Yeah I think there will be some growing pains for us 320 fans wanting more accessories for a while. However, I think this will be good in the long run. It's definitely gonna be a more popular platform, so I'm hoping manufacturers like Magpul can come out with some interesting grip designs. And hopefully mecgar can make cheaper mags in the near future. And it would be great to have a steady supply, and cheaper, conversion kits and threaded barrels and whatnot... |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 8:48:02 PM EDT
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Magpul can come out with some interesting grip... What about a Magpul grip module that accepts Magpul Glock mags? That ought to solve expensive proprietary mag issues. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 9:33:30 PM EDT
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I believe the 320 is replacing the 229 DAK.
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Posted: 2/22/2017 9:48:46 PM EDT
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Interesting. I wonder which other DHS agencies are going to follow?
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Posted: 2/22/2017 9:54:20 PM EDT
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Interesting. I wonder which other DHS agencies are going to follow? Possibly. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 9:59:40 PM EDT
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I believe the 320 is replacing the 229 DAK. i heard the same thing from an ICE/HSI guy in their firearms section at Ft. Benning. he said a public announcement was supposed to be out this week - he actually thought it was already out. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 10:03:40 PM EDT
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What about a Magpul grip module that accepts Magpul Glock mags? That ought to solve expensive proprietary mag issues. Glock mags are too wide at the top to fit through the fcu, but M9, 226 or BHP mags should be very doable |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 10:08:00 PM EDT
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I would love for the USCG to drop the P229 DAK and use the DHS contact to get the P320. That's not going to happen though.
I think the P320 is going to have a very big future due to the Army (which means eventually the rest of DoD), DHS, and a ton of State and Local PDs. The only real "loss" at this point was the FBI trials, which may have provided performance feedback SIG used to pick up the MHS and DHS contracts. ETA: Like it or not, the P320 is now a relevant handgun. Everything but Glocks and P320s will "also-rans". Here's the Pistol Forum thread: It's Official SIG P320C is the new ICE /HSI duty gun |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 10:17:57 PM EDT
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I would love for the USCG to drop the P229 DAK and use the DHS contact to get the P320. That's not going to happen though. I think the P320 is going to have a very big future due to the Army (which means eventually the rest of DoD), DHS, and a ton of State and Local PDs. The only real "loss" at this point was the FBI trials, which may have provided performance feedback SIG used to pick up the MHS and DHS contracts. ETA: Like it or not, the P320 is now a relevant handgun. Everything but Glocks and P320s will "also-rans". Here's the Pistol Forum thread: It's Official SIG P320C is the new ICE /HSI duty gun |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 10:22:21 PM EDT
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Screen shot posted on pistol forum.
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Posted: 2/22/2017 11:30:04 PM EDT
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I was hoping our agency got the 320, but we piggy-backed on the FBI contract, so G19Ms will replace our Sigs.
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:25:46 AM EDT
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Interesting. I wonder which other DHS agencies are going to follow? Poor schmucks over at CBP/BP will be stuck with the P2000 for a long time. There are still a TON of new guns sitting at Harpers Ferry. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:26:19 AM EDT
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I was hoping our agency got the 320, but we piggy-backed on the FBI contract, so G19Ms will replace our Sigs. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 12:13:52 PM EDT
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Poor schmucks over at CBP/BP will be stuck with the P2000 for a long time. There are still a TON of new guns sitting at Harpers Ferry. CBP has used that gun for ten years. I'd imagine the supplies have to be getting pretty low. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 12:33:58 PM EDT
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I guess this won't affect availability of the full size model. I already have 2 P320 compacts, but would like to add a full size later this year.
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Posted: 2/23/2017 12:50:42 PM EDT
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My spur of the moment purchase of a 9mm Carry is looking better and better.
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Posted: 2/23/2017 12:51:05 PM EDT
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Do didn't Beretta go through the same thing after DoD adoption? I was a kind then but I seem to r call reading that a bunch of federal, state and local agencies adopted the M9.
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Posted: 2/23/2017 2:54:35 PM EDT
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Do didn't Beretta go through the same thing after DoD adoption? I was a kind then but I seem to r call reading that a bunch of federal, state and local agencies adopted the M9. Yes, very much so. The switch to nines by LE had begun several years prior, but the M9 adoption kicked it into high gear. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 3:23:13 PM EDT
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Early February at the Great American Outdoor Show, the SIG rep said that consumer sales of the P320 had already surged after the announcement that the Army had picked the P320. He said there will be two production lines. One running for government sales and a separate line just for consumer sales. How that will affect particular models that will be available at any time is anyone's guess.
This was before the recent ICE announcement. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 3:32:52 PM EDT
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CBP has used that gun for ten years. I'd imagine the supplies have to be getting pretty low. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Poor schmucks over at CBP/BP will be stuck with the P2000 for a long time. There are still a TON of new guns sitting at Harpers Ferry. CBP has used that gun for ten years. I'd imagine the supplies have to be getting pretty low. Quite the opposite. Not to mention warehouses full of spare parts and magazines |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 5:33:46 PM EDT
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Quite the opposite. Not to mention warehouses full of spare parts and magazines Where are you getting this info? |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 5:44:36 PM EDT
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If anyone is looking kygunco has them in stock on sale I bought a full size last night for 499
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Posted: 2/23/2017 11:15:17 PM EDT
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Where are you getting this info? Some posters here might happen to visit the ATC on a quarterly basis (or more). 
Also, it's been longer than ten years. OFO made the switch at the beginning of FY06 (aka October 2005). But, as the other guy said - there are thousands of new/unissued pistols in stock still. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 6:03:18 AM EDT
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How many law enforcement personnel does CBP have? Something like 55,000 if I'm not mistaken. So "thousands" of pistols in a warehouse could be something like a 5% reserve to replace guns that are worn out, broken, or otherwise damaged during the course of business. Also, depending on how many and when President Trump gets his new hiring agenda started, I imagine the warehouse full of pistols will empty out pretty quickly.
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Posted: 2/24/2017 6:17:11 AM EDT
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How many law enforcement personnel does CBP have? Something like 55,000 if I'm not mistaken. So "thousands" of pistols in a warehouse could be something like a 5% reserve to replace guns that are worn out, broken, or otherwise damaged during the course of business. Also, depending on how many and when President Trump gets his new hiring agenda started, I imagine the warehouse full of pistols will empty out pretty quickly. There are something around 50k LEOs in the agency. Two-thirds of which will never have the opportunity to have a "worn out, broken or otherwise damaged" weapon. I was last told there are over 10k unissued P2000s. CBP Field Ops is supposed to hire 2000 new officers a year since 2012 or so... they are nowhere near those numbers. It's not much better for the Border Patrol component. The hiring process is broken and attrition is high. Those pistols will last a long time as it seems they'd rather recycle old weapons and issue them to new officers/agents. Trump's proposed hiring numbers for ICE and CBP are a pipedream. I'll eat my hat if they can come anywhere close to those numbers. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 7:40:55 AM EDT
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Poor schmucks over at CBP/BP will be stuck with the P2000 for a long time. There are still a TON of new guns sitting at Harpers Ferry. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 8:44:03 AM EDT
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Negative, it's lower and will hit critical with 5k new PAs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Poor schmucks over at CBP/BP will be stuck with the P2000 for a long time. There are still a TON of new guns sitting at Harpers Ferry. Those 5,000 additional agents with take 7-8 years to hire and keep in place. BP can't even fill the manning for their current authorized personnel |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 10:10:52 AM EDT
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Those 5,000 additional agents with take 7-8 years to hire and keep in place. BP can't even fill the manning for their current authorized personnel They'll be lucky to keep up with attrition... All those BPAs will try and jump ship to DRO! LOL |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 4:57:39 PM EDT
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as it seems they'd rather recycle old weapons and issue them to new officers/agents. So CBP is issuing out used guns to new hires while brand new P2000's are sitting in some big warehouse? |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 12:07:18 AM EDT
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So CBP is issuing out used guns to new hires while brand new P2000's are sitting in some big warehouse? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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as it seems they'd rather recycle old weapons and issue them to new officers/agents. So CBP is issuing out used guns to new hires while brand new P2000's are sitting in some big warehouse? |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 10:33:45 AM EDT
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So CBP is issuing out used guns to new hires while brand new P2000's are sitting in some big warehouse? |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:24:24 AM EDT
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Negative, it's lower and will hit critical with 5k new PAs. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:33:29 AM EDT
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Interesting. I wonder which other DHS agencies are going to follow? CBP which is 80% of the gun carriers in DHS will be carrying the P2000 for a while. There is a warehouse full of them fuckers still. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:39:01 PM EDT
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LOL. How did we manage to turn this thread into a discussion on how many P2000's CBP has?
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Posted: 3/13/2017 2:32:51 PM EDT
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LOL. How did we manage to turn this thread into a discussion on how many P2000's CBP has? Are they in LEM? If so, It could test the Pistol-forum.com theory all handgun threads, given long enough, will become a discussion on LEM. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:46:02 PM EDT
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Are they in LEM? If so, It could test the Pistol-forum.com theory all handgun threads, given long enough, will become a discussion on LEM. I heard CBP wants the 320 with the LEM trigger.... |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 11:53:14 PM EDT
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LOL. How did we manage to turn this thread into a discussion on how many P2000's CBP has? Quote HistoryQuoted:
LOL. How did we manage to turn this thread into a discussion on how many P2000's CBP has? Quoted:
Interesting. I wonder which other DHS agencies are going to follow? |
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Posted: 3/14/2017 3:28:53 AM EDT
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Post #10 Oh, I saw the post. Just wondering why we aren't discusing what other guns ICE may or may not have tested. Or when ICE will take delivery or who is likely to protest the award, etc. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 4:05:47 AM EDT
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I can see why other agencies and departments would like the logistucs advantages of the P320.
Someone already posted this in another thread, but the "modularity" that the Army benefits from with the P320 is different from the "modularity" that civilians benefit from. It's not modular in the sense that everyone who gets issued a P320 will get to customize their gun like some kind of video game. The fact that the serialized component is a seperate internal piece means that serious damage issues to the grip, which in other handguns would require the gun being sent up to higher echelon maintainence or possibly disposed of and replaced with another brand new gun, can now be addressed by simply swapping out a $20-$30 part. I honestly think that the P320 is soon going to dethrone Glock as the most common police pistol. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:24:30 AM EDT
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I honestly think that the P320 is soon going to dethrone Glock as the most common police pistol. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 9:30:38 AM EDT
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Glock got on that throne by being cheap, not the best. The really big agencies buy on price, not merit. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 9:51:25 AM EDT
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Glock got on that throne by being cheap, not the best. The really big agencies buy on price, not merit. SIG will have to meet that threshold if it's going to challenge Glock for the throne. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 10:13:00 AM EDT
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P320s aren't exactly expensive guns.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 12:50:26 PM EDT
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P320s aren't exactly expensive guns. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 11:57:27 PM EDT
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Ordered my 320C 9mm today, Couple days and it will be in my hands.
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Posted: 3/21/2017 4:02:39 PM EDT
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Nope. If the rumors are true the Army is paying $207 per pistol. I'm sure that's without any mags or any other accessories but, from a taxpayer standpoint, I think that's great. They could probably save a pretty penny if they bought slides with contrast sights and no red dot cutout for issue to people who aren't really going into combat, and then only have slides with the tritium sights and MAYBE the red dot cutout for special cases. Tbh if it were up to be I would get rid of the sight plate on the xm17. It's an extra thing that Sig has to do and therfore charge more for and it's another part for Sgt Dummy to fuck with and misplace. And does anyone seriously think the Army is ever going to start issuing RMRs on sidearms? I could MAYBE see special forces using RMRs on pistols, but they use whatever guns they want anyway, so why pay more for red dot cutouts on a mass issue sidearm? |
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