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Posted: 1/2/2006 1:57:41 PM EDT
I'm thinking about trying a Glock 19 on for size as a replacment for my current CCW. I'm aware of Glocks reputation for reliabilty, but I'd like to hear a list of known problems specific to the Glock 19. I know NYPD had some issues that they have since resolved, and IIRC there was a frame rail issue on the 19/23... What other issues have there been? What other quirks are there with respect to the model 19?

Thanks.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 2:39:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/2/2006 2:46:20 PM EDT by Agrippa]
1. NYPD Phase 3 problems.
2. "E" prefix frame rails.
3. Gold Dot nosedives(for me at least) with the 2183 followers(ten rounders only).

#3 was the only one I personally observed with my own G19. I solved that problem about a year ago...
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 2:57:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/2/2006 3:01:01 PM EDT by lu380]
I had a severe nosediving problem with an early 3rd generation G19. The problem persisted reguardless of which magazines I used, and reguardless of which followers I installed. I sold it to a friend of mine, and he has not been able to resolve the issue either.

The nosedives happened when hand-cycling, reguardless of whether it was the first round or the last round in the mag. It would also CONSISTENTLY nosedive when releasing the slide from slidelock on a fresh magazine (using the slidestop and using the "slingshot" method made no difference.)

I came to the conclusion that the problem was caused by the way the barrel locks in an upward tilt with the slide retracted, in order to guide bullets into the chamber. Under recoil, the barrel would tilt properly, but when hand-cycling or releasing the slidestop, the barrel would flop forward. This, combined with the lack of an intermediate frame-mounted feedramp between the bullet nose and the barrel's feedramp, caused nosedive jams. In order to prove this theory, I was able to consistently make it feed smoothly by putting upward pressure on the muzzle end of the barrel (making it tilt properly) while gently releasing the slide. For the record, I used hand-loaded cases with no powder or primers and Gold-Dot hollow points.

I know a lot of you guys seem to think that mag followers are the problem, but in my case, this was not true.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 3:07:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Agrippa:
1. NYPD Phase 3 problems.
2. "E" prefix frame rails.
3. Gold Dot nosedives(for me at least) with the 2183 followers(ten rounders only).-
#3 was the only one I personally observed with my own G19. I solved that problem about a year ago...



1) Resolved 15+yrs ago (isn’t the internet great for keeping this alive)
2) Affected a few receivers in All models, not just the G19/G23(fixed free of charge)
3) Aren't you glad the ban is over
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 3:35:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HotRod9mm:

Originally Posted By Agrippa:
1. NYPD Phase 3 problems.
2. "E" prefix frame rails.
3. Gold Dot nosedives(for me at least) with the 2183 followers(ten rounders only).-
#3 was the only one I personally observed with my own G19. I solved that problem about a year ago...



1) Resolved 15+yrs ago (isn’t the internet great for keeping this alive)
2) Affected a few receivers in All models, not just the G19/G23(fixed free of charge)
3) Aren't you glad the ban is over



I guess you nailed that up pretty well
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 3:37:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HotRod9mm:
1) Resolved 15+yrs ago (isn’t the internet great for keeping this alive)
2) Affected a few receivers in All models, not just the G19/G23(fixed free of charge)



I am aware these problems were solved quite some time ago. WesDesRat asked for a list of known problems with the G19 platform, and I listed the ones I knew of or experienced.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 10:16:03 PM EDT
This may not answer your question since I don't know if it was specific to a G19, but I had my trigger spring break after about 2000 rounds. It was a second gen imported in 1993. No other problems.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 10:52:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Agrippa:
I am aware these problems were solved quite some time ago. WesDesRat asked for a list of known problems with the G19 platform, and I listed the ones I knew of or experienced.

Just clairifying the time frame, thats all.




Originally Posted By Overtorque:
but I had my trigger spring break


The vast majority of the early G19 have had the upgrade kit installed(for free from Glock). The springs were breaking because of the real small hole in the trigger bar.

Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:21:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HotRod9mm:

Just clairifying the time frame, thats all.


That's cool. I figured he knew those problems were a thing of the past. I do not know of any current issues with them. Other than the Clinton mags, my G19 has given me no trouble in these past 4 years.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:28:38 AM EDT
The only problem that I have had with my G19 is that I don't have two!

I was never a Glock fan until I bought my G19. I have not had a single problem with my G19.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 8:50:50 AM EDT
Thanks for replys guys. I have been carrying two XD-9's for the past couple years, and while I love the platform, I have been less than impressed with certain things about the XD pistols, hence the desire to try something else.

Anyone care to comment on the slide peening issue? Fill in the details if you could...
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 9:01:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WesDesRat:
Thanks for replys guys. I have been carrying two XD-9's for the past couple years, and while I love the platform, I have been less than impressed with certain things about the XD pistols, hence the desire to try something else.

Anyone care to comment on the slide peening issue? Fill in the details if you could...



First of all, the slide peening mostly affected 40's. It was due to the frame flexing and the locking block making contact with the bottom of the slide. The peening is not of any concern and usually indents only to a certain point and then stops. I believe this has been corrected on newer pistols with a newer style locking block.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 9:06:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 9:08:48 AM EDT by HotRod9mm]

Originally Posted By WesDesRat:
Anyone care to comment on the slide peening issue? Fill in the details if you could...



Slide peening occurred mainly in the 40 caliber Glocks, even though it could happen with the other calibers. Under recoil the receiver will flex, making contact with the slide at the Locking Block. Glock changed the Locking Block design to help stop this cosmetic problem. It did not affect the gun in any way. It progresses to a point then stops.




Edit:
BrianNH types faster then I do.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 1:26:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HotRod9mm:
Edit:
BrianNH types faster then I do.



Yeah, but your the guy with all the cool pics
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 10:11:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 10:12:27 PM EDT by tpsh]

Originally Posted By HotRod9mm:

Originally Posted By Agrippa:
I am aware these problems were solved quite some time ago. WesDesRat asked for a list of known problems with the G19 platform, and I listed the ones I knew of or experienced.

Just clairifying the time frame, thats all.




Originally Posted By Overtorque:
but I had my trigger spring break


The vast majority of the early G19 have had the upgrade kit installed(for free from Glock). The springs were breaking because of the real small hole in the trigger bar.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/hotrod9mm/Connector-holes.jpg



My trigger spring broke also on my 10 year old Gen 2 19 after a few thousand rounds. I mailed it off to Glock though to get fixed and it was back at my house in SIX days!!! No charge of course.

When did Glock figure out it was the small hole in the trigger bar causing the spring failure??
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 6:52:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tpsh:
When did Glock figure out it was the small hole in the trigger bar causing the spring failure??


I don't remember the exact year but IIRC it was somewhere around '91-'92
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:10:52 AM EDT
Mine broke after that so I am sure it was fixed properly.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:16:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By lu380:
I had a severe nosediving problem with an early 3rd generation G19. The problem persisted reguardless of which magazines I used, and reguardless of which followers I installed. I sold it to a friend of mine, and he has not been able to resolve the issue either.

The nosedives happened when hand-cycling, reguardless of whether it was the first round or the last round in the mag. It would also CONSISTENTLY nosedive when releasing the slide from slidelock on a fresh magazine (using the slidestop and using the "slingshot" method made no difference.)

I came to the conclusion that the problem was caused by the way the barrel locks in an upward tilt with the slide retracted, in order to guide bullets into the chamber. Under recoil, the barrel would tilt properly, but when hand-cycling or releasing the slidestop, the barrel would flop forward. This, combined with the lack of an intermediate frame-mounted feedramp between the bullet nose and the barrel's feedramp, caused nosedive jams. In order to prove this theory, I was able to consistently make it feed smoothly by putting upward pressure on the muzzle end of the barrel (making it tilt properly) while gently releasing the slide. For the record, I used hand-loaded cases with no powder or primers and Gold-Dot hollow points.

I know a lot of you guys seem to think that mag followers are the problem, but in my case, this was not true.



Umm, maybe a dumb question, but why not send it back to Glock for repair?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:41:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drobs:

Originally Posted By lu380:
I had a severe nosediving problem with an early 3rd generation G19. The problem persisted reguardless of which magazines I used, and reguardless of which followers I installed. I sold it to a friend of mine, and he has not been able to resolve the issue either.

The nosedives happened when hand-cycling, reguardless of whether it was the first round or the last round in the mag. It would also CONSISTENTLY nosedive when releasing the slide from slidelock on a fresh magazine (using the slidestop and using the "slingshot" method made no difference.)

I came to the conclusion that the problem was caused by the way the barrel locks in an upward tilt with the slide retracted, in order to guide bullets into the chamber. Under recoil, the barrel would tilt properly, but when hand-cycling or releasing the slidestop, the barrel would flop forward. This, combined with the lack of an intermediate frame-mounted feedramp between the bullet nose and the barrel's feedramp, caused nosedive jams. In order to prove this theory, I was able to consistently make it feed smoothly by putting upward pressure on the muzzle end of the barrel (making it tilt properly) while gently releasing the slide. For the record, I used hand-loaded cases with no powder or primers and Gold-Dot hollow points.

I know a lot of you guys seem to think that mag followers are the problem, but in my case, this was not true.



Umm, maybe a dumb question, but why not send it back to Glock for repair?



Because I never really liked the G19 anyway. I prefer the 17, so I sold the 19 to get a 17.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 6:01:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BrianNH:

Originally Posted By HotRod9mm:

Originally Posted By Agrippa:
1. NYPD Phase 3 problems.
2. "E" prefix frame rails.
3. Gold Dot nosedives(for me at least) with the 2183 followers(ten rounders only).-
#3 was the only one I personally observed with my own G19. I solved that problem about a year ago...hr


1) Resolved 15+yrs ago (isn’t the internet great for keeping this alive)
2) Affected a few receivers in All models, not just the G19/G23(fixed free of charge)
3) Aren't you glad the ban is over hr


I guess you nailed that up pretty well hr


Yep! I bought my G19 back in '98 and the only problem I had was with the two 10 round mags it came with.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:28:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HotRod9mm:

Originally Posted By Agrippa:
I am aware these problems were solved quite some time ago. WesDesRat asked for a list of known problems with the G19 platform, and I listed the ones I knew of or experienced.

Just clairifying the time frame, thats all.




Originally Posted By Overtorque:
but I had my trigger spring break


The vast majority of the early G19 have had the upgrade kit installed(for free from Glock). The springs were breaking because of the real small hole in the trigger bar.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/hotrod9mm/Connector-holes.jpg



After reading your post, I looked. I have the larger hole in the trigger bar.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 10:49:05 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:15:14 PM EDT
Just as an update:

I picked up a used G19 with Trijicons and four 15 round mags... I'm going to wring it out in the next few days before I order a holster from Comp-Tac, just to make sure I'm going to like it.

This pistol is nearly new, with 05 marked sights, and zero visible wear on the outside, besides the barrel and chamber hood.

Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:24:39 PM EDT
Use 15 and 17 round mags if it's a 3rd generation G19. It hates 10-rounders.

Never a jam with 15 or 17 round mags.
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