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Was planning on getting one for the kids, but will wait and let the beta testers figure it out. Or maybe get a SW MP22 threaded...hmmm... View Quote |
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Quoted: So I shot the TX22 and G44 side by side today. The TX22 is a better 22 pistol. And my normal rule is friends don't let friends buy Taurus. Now as a trainer for your other Glock pistols, the G44 is better than the TX22. I liked the the G44, but not enough to buy one. The issues need to be resolved along with a higher cap mag, more affordable threaded option, and optic version before I decide to buy one. Until then, I'll keep plinking with the TX22. View Quote Do I sound salty? I really loved the G44 when I handled it at SHOT. I couldn't wait to get home and pick mine up. It's been something of a disappointment. I'm not done with my testing, but I will say the magazine seem to be the source of most of my issues I'm having with my gun. |
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I won't let my kids shoot my G44, not until we get to the bottom of why some of them are going off out of battery. A good friend of mine had his go off out of battery but it didn't damage the gun. That hit a little too close to home, so the boys only get to shoot the 22/45 Ruger for now. View Quote Unfortunately, it cost me a 22/45, Primary Arms micro dot, and a Dead Air Mask. Sticking to the Advantage Arms kit for the time being for .22 LR Glocks. Couple hundred rounds without issue and can’t see any major reason to drop the coin on the G44 right now. |
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Picked mine up today. Got it home cleaned it up and put around 300 rounds through it.
40gr CCI copper bullets cycled great. 40gr Remington Golden Bullets worked just fine. 36gr Remington Golden Bullets are a no go. The seeming to be usual cycled a few then FTE or stovepipe. 26gr Winchester Varmint Bullets were on par with 36gr Remington. Weird thing about these were when they did cycle felt recoil was the mildest of everything I put through it even though they have the highest advertised velocity. 40gr Blazer lead bullets ran just fine. Pretty disappointing you can't just run bulk 36gr. Kind of think Tim is onto something with AUS 44s compared to what we received on this side of the pond. Hopefully no kabooms in my near future and Glock will address all of the issues coming to the surface. |
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How fast was Glock at correcting the .40 cal kaboom thing back in the day? And what exactly did they do to fix it?
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I’m really hoping Glock can get to the bottom of this. I really wanted the G44 to be a training alternative to my G19s right now I’m using an AA conversion on a gen 3 pistol but I’d prefer a dedicated a Glock 22 (44).
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How fast was Glock at correcting the .40 cal kaboom thing back in the day? And what exactly did they do to fix it? View Quote I had one of the first Walther P22 .22s with the problem slides. The slides were cracking, IICRC, at the slide catch notch? I remember having to send in my broken slide, and a new one arriving, but I don't think it took that long. They had the problem figured out fairly quickly, placing a steel pin? at the notch? My very early run G42 had serious problems with ftf issues. Local jackass gun store owner(now out of buisness)refused to acknowledge it wasn't because I was "limp wristing" it, even with the recall/notice and replacement parts shipped out to fix the problem. Even as he was replacing the parts in store, he wouldn't admit he was wrong. That was a problem Glock figured out very quickly and had a solution rapidly. Hopefully this will go the same way. I'm going to take my G44 out again this afternoon if the weather cooperates, and play more with it. I was very happy with the performance last weekend. |
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In the mean time...... waiting for the G44 fix to come for you..... View Quote Yes, it is 150% more but you get what you pay for and lets be real, $125 is still cheap for this hobby. Blowback action, field strips like a standard Glock. All the same controls looks, feel, etc. Here is a good video to get a better look at it... Umarex Glock 17 Gen 4 | Full Review & Field Test and here is a good written review... Umarex Glock 17 Gen4 Part 1 I made the argument when the G44 was first announced that there are better options. Obviously there are better .22LR handguns options if you just want a .22 and not necessarily a Glock replica. If you do want a Glock replica to use as a training aid, a quality CO2 gun is just as useful and in someways better. As a training aid, the G44 and Umarex G17 both suffer from the same issue, the weight and recoil are drastically different then the 9mm versions they are mimicking so in that sense they are equal. They can both be used to practice trigger control, sight alignment, draw from concealment and can be used to run drills so again, equal IMO. Magazines for the G44 are cheaper so it has a small advantage there but most people say they want the G44 to take advantage of cheap ammo and well, if that's your motivation then hell... even the cheapest .22 round is still 3-4x more expensive per rd then the best BB's. The G44 is G19 sized compared to the Umarex's G17 size so some will prefer that. (There are G19 sized CO2 guns available but they are not as well done as this particular Umarex Gen4 G17 model) but here's the big one... The Umarex can be used in an room in your house with no hearing protection. For most people, the G44 requires going to the range and a lot of ranges won't let you draw from a holster or run drills that involve more then 1 target so IMO, the CO2 gun makes for a much better training aid. |
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Its the components of a perfect storm showing up in various thread posts. -the design has a first round feed failure problem that even when the first or any round is chambered, the slide inertia has been dissipated so there is a tendency not to go fully into battery. -a tight chamber interferes with chambering fully and dissipates slide inertia. -a tight throat engraves the bullet as its being chambered and helps prevent fully closing the slide. -dropping the slide release/hold open on the first round is a hair less spring pressure to fully close up. -the system will release the striker just short of fully closed meaning the case head is not fully supported. -if a rifling system makes a tight barrel, it only boosts the SAMMI spec 24,000psi pressure. -when a case head blows off, all there is is an extractor operating in plastic and a plastic slide that isn’t stress-able to survive a fully blown case head. What happens is what you then see. Photo: You could tell me an extra tight barrel does not matter, but I’m not believing it. The bullet here is engraved way past normal. https://i.postimg.cc/Jh0Qyqxf/A726-F77-D-A1-C1-4-D21-9-FAA-E08-AE0-D25-F27.jpg Photo: The result being the entire rim is blown off. https://i.postimg.cc/k5HvWbhB/E7-A21-A2-E-5149-412-E-8345-F9607-BEBCC15.jpg Photo: And the side of the slide blowing off and bending the metal inserts and bending the whole slide. https://i.postimg.cc/28ghmnBj/7-FC251-E2-C49-F-4879-B4-E0-318-F8821-ACA5.jpg View Quote I think the "fix" for this is going to be glock replacing barrels with a slightly bigger bore since the glock is smaller than sammi spec so it reduce's back pressure and the chance for case head separation. I must be the only person on the planet who has a G44 that runs 36gr ammo, I shot around 300 rounds last weekend. I shot some federal bulk 36gr and mini mag 36gr and both of them ran fine. only ammo I had problems with was browning 40gr bulk pack - had a few FTF. I shot auto match bulk pack browning bulk pack federal bulk pack mini mags (36gr) standard velocity CCI "clean" |
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Quoted: I believe you hit the nail on the head. I think the "fix" for this is going to be glock replacing barrels with a slightly bigger bore since the glock is smaller than sammi spec so it reduce's back pressure and the chance for case head separation. I must be the only person on the planet who has a G44 that runs 36gr ammo, I shot around 300 rounds last weekend. I shot some federal bulk 36gr and mini mag 36gr and both of them ran fine. only ammo I had problems with was browning 40gr bulk pack - had a few FTF. I shot auto match bulk pack browning bulk pack federal bulk pack mini mags (36gr) standard velocity CCI "clean" View Quote |
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@MilitaryArms Very nice post with solid info. Thank you for sharing.
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Here's what I'm curious about. James shot the G44 in Austria, so it stands to reason they are also making them for the European market in Austria. The guns we're having problems with here in the US are made here in the US. Could there be a problem with the US guns that doesn't exist with the Austrian made guns? Just thinking out loud... View Quote |
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Welcome back Tim!
Since it's supposed to mimic a real G19, maybe they made it so we can practice malfunction drills also? Not liking the European tighter spec chamber/barrel. Will wait until Glock does an "upgrade/update/non-recall." Like the idea of same size so you can transition to the real thing for beginners. |
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Quoted: The G44's have the GA state sillouhette right on the slide. I refuse to buy U.S. made Glocks; if it doesnt have Austria on it, Im not interested. Some will say they are satisfied with their U.S Glocks and that it is a non issue but it seems as though the U.S. made Glocks have had more issues than their Austrian counterparts despite the huge differential in numbers of each sold (obviously there are many thousands more Austria Glocks out there). View Quote The Austrian made G44's were likely the guns that fired "millions" of rounds, but that's an assumption on my part. I have a hard time believing Glock of Austria, would have let the G44 out in the US in its current state. While I admit some people are claiming to have no issues with their guns, I find it hard to believe they've not experienced at least one of the magazine related issues others are pointing out in growing numbers. My gun seems to run fine for the most part with the occasional light primer strike (the gun is likely not in battery when this happens). Where I have the vast majority of my problems is with the magazines. That first round on a reload is a bitch... and that's with most every ammo type I've tried. |
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Welcome back Tim! Since it's supposed to mimic a real G19, maybe they made it so we can practice malfunction drills also? Not liking the European tighter spec chamber/barrel. Will wait until Glock does an "upgrade/update/non-recall." Like the idea of same size so you can transition to the real thing for beginners. View Quote |
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I was at my local Scheels today... they had 3 of them in the case... guy who took it out for me mentioned that they had 15 of them (me thinks they were anticipating a "Hillary" win and Glock pulled a "Trump" on them and now they may be stuck with them...
I have a $80 gift card for them along with the $350 in cash I stashed away... the Store I was on a waiting list for is asking $359 Scheels is asking $379 I'm tempted... as I really wanted one of these... but my gut is telling me to wait...…. All the Hype... all the vids saying how Glock tested with a shit load of ammo... the TFB video where he was in Austria shooting them... he was going to have a video where he interviews the lead Glock engineer (Which I have not seen yet.. maybe this is why)… How they designed and tested for years.... with reliability being the number one goal..... Fluted Chamber..... Polymer Hybrid slide... full size magazines, going to stay with 10 rds., because they wanted reliability.... I was thinking.... Yeah, I can finally shoot the Fed Walmart Value packs now that there in stock again..... I don't have to buy expensive CCI Mini mags... Grrrr…. I'm staring at you Gaston.....WTF.... If I were in the Board room at Glock, and I had the design team in there.... it would be a dressing down of epic proportion..... It would be worthy of a Hitler in the bunker rant/video.(Which I'm surprised has not bee done yet) |
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I have had the exact same malfs. I just picked up my threaded barrel on Monday and haven't had a chance to run the gun yet suppressed. So far I am not happy at all. |
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Nice to see you posting again Tim.
I was anxious to see feedback on the 44. Now that I have I am staying away (at least for now) I just went and bought a TX 22 for $249.99 at dunhams of all places after work today. Your feedback pushed me over the edge as I have been considering one. I like the larger capacity and it should still be s decent trainer and something to teach my boy on |
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I shot mine again his afternoon
No failures of any kind using Ferderal 36gr. Copper coated HP(white box/black writing). I did have several failures to feed on the first round using Federal Automatch. They are not copper coated. Not sure if it makes a difference or not. They were noticeably lighter loads than the others too. Other than that, the gun was fun to shoot and the trigger is really nice to train with. I switched over to my G17 for a bit, then ended the session back at the G44 practicing drawing and firing a single shot at 50yrds on my 1/3rd IDPA going. |
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Picked mine up today. Got it home cleaned it up and put around 300 rounds through it. 40gr CCI copper bullets cycled great. 40gr Remington Golden Bullets worked just fine. 36gr Remington Golden Bullets are a no go. The seeming to be usual cycled a few then FTE or stovepipe. 26gr Winchester Varmint Bullets were on par with 36gr Remington. Weird thing about these were when they did cycle felt recoil was the mildest of everything I put through it even though they have the highest advertised velocity. 40gr Blazer lead bullets ran just fine. Pretty disappointing you can't just run bulk 36gr. Kind of think Tim is onto something with AUS 44s compared to what we received on this side of the pond. Hopefully no kabooms in my near future and Glock will address all of the issues coming to the surface. View Quote |
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@MilitaryArms I have had the exact same malfs. I just picked up my threaded barrel on Monday and haven't had a chance to run the gun yet suppressed. So far I am not happy at all. View Quote Remington Gold Issues with Glock 44 I can't say I'm impressed with the gun at this point. This is the type of behavior I expected from my Taurus TX-22, not my "3 years in development gun that fired over 1.2 million rounds of 141 different .22LR loads" Glock 44. I understand not everyone is having these issues, but I also know I'm far from being alone. Oh, and my TX-22 runs all of the ammo I've been using in the G44 without any issues except for I believe one failure to fire (ammo problem). I've fired 40gr Federal bulk pack, 38gr Federal bulk pack, 36gr Federal bulk pack, 40gr CCI Mini-Mags and 36gr Remington bulk pack. I had 60 trouble free rounds in a row using the 40gr Federal on my first range day. With all the other ammo I've fired I've encountered malfunctions at least every 20 rounds, usually multiple times per 20 rounds. Most of those I can attribute to the magazines. However, I've had a fair number of failures to extract and classic stove pipes too. The more I shoot my G44 the more I regret having spent $70 on 3 extra mags and $194 on a threaded barrel that have yet to arrive in the mail. I'm darn near $650 into this gun that's having all sorts of issues with a wide variety of ammo when my $209 TX-22 came with a threaded barrel and runs flawlessly. I can't seem to find spare magazines for it though and that's probably because the gun works so well it's popular which means it could be months before I find spare mags for the little Brazilian Bruiser. |
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Nice to see you posting again Tim. I was anxious to see feedback on the 44. Now that I have I am staying away (at least for now) I just went and bought a TX 22 for $249.99 at dunhams of all places after work today. Your feedback pushed me over the edge as I have been considering one. I like the larger capacity and it should still be s decent trainer and something to teach my boy on View Quote My sons absolutely love my TX-22. I haven't found any ammo it doesn't like. It's replaced my trusty Ruger Mk4 as the preferred Saturday afternoon plinker for me and my boys. |
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Thanks Tim. Appreciate your unbiased reviews. View Quote I couldn't do it without the support of our viewers. We are funded by our Patreons and YouTube Members. Since demonetization we've fought hard to avoid being forced into doing paid reviews. I'm not saying doing paid reviews automatically means dishonest commentary, but it does force one to be a bit more tempered in their commentary if they expect to get future work. I hope and pray our audience continues to see the value in our work and continues to support our efforts. |
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I wish I could find a TX-22 for $209.
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I wish I could find a TX-22 for $209. I am seeing $250s to just shy of $300. View Quote TX22 for $209. |
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View Quote I think they are still good at $259. |
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I have them listed in my post of ammo I have on hand for testing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Okkkeeey -- Glock 44 off the check-list
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I wish I could say things were improving, but it seems the more I shoot it the more problems I have. I've found that once the gun has a round in the chamber using Remington 36gr bulk pack ammo it would usually fire and cycle about 98% of the time. Where I seem to be having increasingly frequent problems is with the magazines. Here's an edited video of how my day went while continuing my testing with Remington bulk pack "Golden bullets". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDJwcR5ViMs View Quote |
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Put 16 mags through mine today between rain showers in the back yard.
Using federal 36 grain bulk pack and had one FTF. Other than that it ran like a top. ETA: one thing I noticed is the gun has become a lot smoother in the form of slide operation. |
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Thank you, it's good to be back. My sons absolutely love my TX-22. I haven't found any ammo it doesn't like. It's replaced my trusty Ruger Mk4 as the preferred Saturday afternoon plinker for me and my boys. View Quote |
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Wow..I must have the one that works...I bought it and took it out with a 500 count box of remington golden and a 325 box of Federal auto match. I had zero problems with any of it. It shot a little high at ten but a small turn of the elevation screw solved that. I'm not sure why some people are having such problems. Hopefully they get worked out OR Glock finds a problem and fixes it quick.
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Wow..I must have the one that works...I bought it and took it out with a 500 count box of remington golden and a 325 box of Federal auto match. I had zero problems with any of it. It shot a little high at ten but a small turn of the elevation screw solved that. I'm not sure why some people are having such problems. Hopefully they get worked out OR Glock finds a problem and fixes it quick. View Quote |
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The TX22 doesn’t fit in my 19 holster or 17 holster, but it does fit in my 20 Blackhawk holster.
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The TX22 doesn’t fit in my 19 holster or 17 holster, but it does fit in my 20 Blackhawk holster. @Harv24 View Quote |
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I have about 800 round through mine so far. The first few mags I had some feed issues. I then noticed the first round wasn’t always setting point up. I’ve seen this on other 22s so I made sure to load the mags with the bullet nose slanted up. No more issues with any of the ammo afterwards. I’ve fired CCI Mini Mags(solids and hollow point), CCI Standard Velocity, Remington Golden Bullets, and Remington Thunderbolt. As long as the first bullet is slanted correctly, I’ve had zero malfunctions. I read on one of the G44 threads that someone suggested pulling the loading tabs down to seat the bullets in the magazine. This is what I was doing today when I fired 340 Remington Thunderbolts with no issues. I have been making sure to release the slide with the gun turned away from me a little just in case. The reported OOB firings do have me concerned but I’m a big enough fan to keep using mine for now
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It's nice to hear some more people having positive experiences.
They have one at one of my LGS...was $399, recntly changed to $379. I cannot decide if I should buy or hold. I don't mind if I have to use a few specific types of ammo, as long as those choices are cheap. Not so big on the blowing up part. |
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Might just be my observation but it seems like after a few rounds more guns are working than having problems.
Maybe some people just have bad luck. But honestly I feel like so many people hated on Glock for making a .22 that they just want it to fail and make it seem like a failure of a product. Mine might blow up tomorrow but as it stands right now it’s running good and I’m enjoying it. |
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