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Posted: 5/29/2017 12:38:42 PM EDT
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Glock is going to play out the FS Glocks first, then make a MOS FS model, then release the carbine, then the M followed by the Gen5. Each release will come after they have sufficiently milked the market like they did with the 42/43 release.
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Posted: 5/29/2017 12:39:56 PM EDT
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From another thread.
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April 18 I had the Glock LE sales guy in my office. He told me federal orders will be filled first. Then LE agency orders. As an agency, if we ordered guns, it would be at least the middle of 2018. |
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Posted: 5/29/2017 12:40:04 PM EDT
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I'm going with what Edgecrusher said
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Posted: 5/29/2017 1:30:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/30/2017 4:40:52 AM EDT
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Wait, I thought the 1911 was coming before the 5?!
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Posted: 5/30/2017 1:49:46 PM EDT
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The factory guys were here in April. They told me the same thing. Mid to Late 2018 at the earliest. And that was for agencies. Individual officers and everyone else might be later. They have contract obligations to meet first before they release any to anyone else.
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Posted: 5/30/2017 10:11:45 PM EDT
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I bet they could speed things up if the would just stop making the Gen 3.
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Posted: 5/30/2017 10:20:57 PM EDT
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The factory guys were here in April. They told me the same thing. Mid to Late 2018 at the earliest. And that was for agencies. Individual officers and everyone else might be later. They have contract obligations to meet first before they release any to anyone else. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 9:30:02 PM EDT
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Glock is going to play out the FS Glocks first, then make a MOS FS model, then release the carbine, then the M followed by the Gen5. Each release will come after they have sufficiently milked the market like they did with the 42/43 release. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 3:40:46 PM EDT
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I bet they could speed things up if the would just stop making the Gen 3. |
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Posted: 6/9/2017 8:53:09 PM EDT
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I bet they could speed things up if the would just stop making the Gen 3. No one would walk away from a market 50 million strong that they own. |
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Posted: 6/10/2017 3:35:55 AM EDT
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It will probably be "debuted" at SHOT 2018, with actual dealer delivery sometime late 1st Qtr or into 2 Qtr 2018 according to my Glock contact
The Gen 3 has contractoral obligations in addition to being grandfathered into certain states |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 8:07:46 PM EDT
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I went with new L/E package Smith 2.0 40 cal 3 mags ,night sights sku 11519 , Glock can keep the M gun none for me . I have a gen 3 G19 night sights and 10 mags Iam good to go .
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Posted: 7/7/2017 12:15:17 AM EDT
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A relative of mine working in the GA Glock office...not going to give a name or hint. But, according to my relative the M model will be agency only purchase. Not even a blue label for first respondents or individual officer purchase, let a lone LGS purchases. Seems the M model is agency purchase only. To be honest, the M model is nothing more than a M&P if you ask me...Save a few dollars and just get an M&P, you'll be just as happy and just as good if not better weapon with all the issues the M model has produced over the last year.
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:21:50 AM EDT
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A relative of mine working in the GA Glock office...not going to give a name or hint. But, according to my relative the M model will be agency only purchase. Not even a blue label for first respondents or individual officer purchase, let a lone LGS purchases. Seems the M model is agency purchase only. To be honest, the M model is nothing more than a M&P if you ask me...Save a few dollars and just get an M&P, you'll be just as happy and just as good if not better weapon with all the issues the M model has produced over the last year. 
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:37:48 AM EDT
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A relative of mine working in the GA Glock office...not going to give a name or hint. But, according to my relative the M model will be agency only purchase. Not even a blue label for first respondents or individual officer purchase, let a lone LGS purchases. Seems the M model is agency purchase only. To be honest, the M model is nothing more than a M&P if you ask me...Save a few dollars and just get an M&P, you'll be just as happy and just as good if not better weapon with all the issues the M model has produced over the last year. Therefore, I don't really ever expect them to give me what I want when it's available......I expect them to throw 4 other iterations of pieces or parts of what I want.....hoping I'll buy those while I impatiently wait for the thing I really want. What they don't realize is that I know their game, and I'm still on Gen3 guns. I can wait. I will wait. I didn't buy a G42. I did buy a 43. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:46:42 AM EDT
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A relative of mine working in the GA Glock office...not going to give a name or hint. But, according to my relative the M model will be agency only purchase. Not even a blue label for first respondents or individual officer purchase, let a lone LGS purchases. Seems the M model is agency purchase only. To be honest, the M model is nothing more than a M&P if you ask me...Save a few dollars and just get an M&P, you'll be just as happy and just as good if not better weapon with all the issues the M model has produced over the last year. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 10:09:53 AM EDT
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The factory guys were here in April. They told me the same thing. Mid to Late 2018 at the earliest. And that was for agencies. Individual officers and everyone else might be later. They have contract obligations to meet first before they release any to anyone else. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 12:45:41 PM EDT
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So M features + MHS features +MOS +FS = Gen 5 in 2018 ?
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Posted: 7/11/2017 5:39:45 PM EDT
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I may or may not have one at my house right now
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Posted: 7/11/2017 10:24:09 PM EDT
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I may or may not have one at my house right now |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 10:31:49 PM EDT
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So is there like a media blackout on them or something? |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 11:26:00 PM EDT
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Non-disclosure agreements |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 8:21:10 AM EDT
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Non-disclosure agreements |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 10:29:59 AM EDT
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Since SWAT magazine has had a story and pics I would think the NDA is no longer enforceable ? Also while watching a rerun of Gun Stories with Joe Mantegna the other night on Outdoor Channel he mentioned the show would be doing a segment on the FBI's new 17M and their ballistic testing in the fall. Now that the media has it why bother with an NDA ?
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Posted: 7/14/2017 12:57:51 PM EDT
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Glocks "mode of operandi" (operation) has always been to supply Gov/LE FIRST. This garners interest in their guns when the masses see
gov/LE using their guns. This is how they first started marketing and continue to this day. Get the Gov/LE using them and the azzes of the masses will follow and open their wallets. They do make a buck from these contracts, but not near the margin they get with individual sales. |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 1:58:33 PM EDT
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Glocks "mode of operandi" (operation) has always been to supply Gov/LE FIRST. This garners interest in their guns when the masses see gov/LE using their guns. This is how they first started marketing and continue to this day. Get the Gov/LE using them and the azzes of the masses will follow and open their wallets. They do make a buck from these contracts, but not near the margin they get with individual sales. |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 11:00:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/15/2017 12:48:29 AM EDT
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So M features + MHS features +MOS +FS = Gen 5 in |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 7:16:03 AM EDT
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I may or may not have one at my house right now |
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Posted: 8/13/2017 5:36:30 PM EDT
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8/26/17
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Posted: 8/14/2017 2:25:04 PM EDT
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Are the 19M's going to be part of the release?
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Posted: 8/14/2017 3:22:29 PM EDT
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I can't believe photos haven't been leaked out yet. Yeah I know about NDA's but they usually don't work.
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Posted: 8/14/2017 7:47:59 PM EDT
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Are the 19M's going to be part of the release? |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 7:48:32 PM EDT
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I can't believe photos haven't been leaked out yet. Yeah I know about NDA's but they usually don't work. |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 8:11:20 PM EDT
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there are pictures all over the Internet |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 9:59:15 PM EDT
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A guy on glocktalk just preordered a gen5 last week and was told he'd get it in September.
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:08:55 AM EDT
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Of the Gen 5? Or just the M? Is the M for 100% certain the exact gun as the gen 5? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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there are pictures all over the Internet |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 2:56:20 AM EDT
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Doesn't sound like the 5 is going to be exactly like the M. The ambi slide stop is a negative to me, and a large percentage of lefties won't even use them. I would like to see the Gen5 be basically a "M" variant without the ambi slide-stop and add front serrations. I would also love to see a MHS size offering (17 frame with 19 slide)... Just because |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 6:37:57 AM EDT
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I hope they are different. The ambi slide stop is a negative to me, and a large percentage of lefties won't even use them. I would like to see the Gen5 be basically a "M" variant without the ambi slide-stop and add front serrations. I would also love to see a MHS size offering (17 frame with 19 slide)... Just because |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 7:01:45 AM EDT
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What's your aversion to the ambi slide stop? Have you shot one of the 17M pistols yet? As for the slide stop, I have no use for it personally and find it aesthetically displeasing. Most of the lefties I know have trained on right-handed handguns for so long they don't even reverse the magazine release, much less have any use for the lefty slide stop. YMMV |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 8:10:50 AM EDT
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No I have not. My agency went to the 17.4 before the M variants were a thing. As for the slide stop, I have no use for it personally and find it aesthetically displeasing. Most of the lefties I know have trained on right-handed handguns for so long they don't even reverse the magazine release, much less have any use for the lefty slide stop. YMMV Don't know how much one handed and off hand only injured/disabled shooter operation training you've done and how much direct training you've done with lefties with smaller hands that don't have significant hand strength, but adding that ambi slide stop will help in those situations quite a bit. I think more folks will take advantage of the mag release as the instructors get used to asking more often as new employees join your agency. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:14:28 AM EDT
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I wish the mhs model would be available.
Really just the 17 frame and 19 slide |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:38:29 AM EDT
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8/26/17 TXPO |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:40:15 AM EDT
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I wish the mhs model would be available. Really just the 17 frame and 19 slide 
TXPO |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:35:24 PM EDT
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Don't know how much one handed and off hand only injured/disabled shooter operation training you've done and how much direct training you've done with lefties with smaller hands that don't have significant hand strength, but adding that ambi slide stop will help in those situations quite a bit. I think more folks will take advantage of the mag release as the instructors get used to asking more often as new employees join your agency. I'm a rightly with plenty of Glocks waiting to be replaced with Gen 5s. Left handed only manipulations are very difficult with the stock slide stop. Extended slide stops cause/prevent slide lock. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 4:15:51 PM EDT
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Very important date...:) TXPO |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:04:31 PM EDT
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I'm a rightly with plenty of Glocks waiting to be replaced with Gen 5s. Left handed only manipulations are very difficult with the stock slide stop. Extended slide stops cause/prevent slide lock. |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 12:07:03 AM EDT
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What was old is new again.
It only took them 20 years to figure out we did not like finger grooves and they forgot about the undercut. I'll take them another 20 year to figure out the undercut, but the gen 6 will include fingure grooves. |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 4:20:31 AM EDT
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I never use the slide stop unless I'm locking the slide back without a magazine inserted. The "slingshot" method of releasing the slide is much more reliable and does not require the user to manipulate their grip on the pistol. (Gross motor skills > Fine motor skills) For one handed drills I use my belt. Manipulating the slide stop shouldn't require compromising your master grip on the pistol. This can be done via the addition of an extended slide stop or pressing the slide stop with your support hand thumb. Don't by into the Gross/Fine skill hype. |
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