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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:55:02 PM EDT
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To put .45 acp power into a package the size of a 9mm. It is equivalent to a +P .45 acp.
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:57:00 PM EDT
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It provides a 45 ACP equivalent loading to countries where 45 ACP is a restricted military (non-civilian) loading.
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:03:21 PM EDT
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So that gaston has a cartridge names after himself.
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Posted: 5/14/2017 12:04:15 AM EDT
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To put .45 acp power into a package the size of a 9mm. It is equivalent to a +P .45 acp. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 12:16:06 AM EDT
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So you can shoot it out of an AR15 using 9mm Sten mags.
 BTDT
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Posted: 5/14/2017 12:39:29 AM EDT
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Glock tried to put a 45 cartridge in a 9mm size gun.
It never caught on. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 12:46:09 AM EDT
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Some police agencies wanted 45.
But some (females especially) couldn't handle the larger size 45acp pistols grip size. So, they made a 45 cartridge that fit into the smaller frame pistols. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 7:16:14 AM EDT
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This and the AWB. I owned all 3 of them and liked the 37 and 38. When I started having a problem finding ammo I got rid of them. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 10:03:08 AM EDT
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I absolutely love my G37. Sucks the ammo is expensive.
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Posted: 5/14/2017 10:46:46 AM EDT
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I think it's a great cartridge and would have been successful had the AWB not sunsetted.
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Posted: 5/14/2017 11:23:35 AM EDT
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I absolutely love my G37. Sucks the ammo is expensive. The 45GAPs I've shot have been great guns but ammo price and scarcity is even worse than my beloved 10mms. 
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Posted: 5/14/2017 11:39:54 AM EDT
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I love my g38
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Posted: 5/14/2017 11:48:06 AM EDT
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I've always wanted something in .45 GAP and I don't really know why.
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Posted: 5/14/2017 12:10:37 PM EDT
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I think it's a great cartridge and would have been successful had the AWB not sunsetted. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 12:31:02 PM EDT
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I thought it was a 45 short? how does that make it a smaller frame than a regular 45?
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Posted: 5/14/2017 1:09:43 PM EDT
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Designed before Glock started producing the SF frames. Now its obsolete (in the US.)
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Posted: 5/14/2017 1:56:22 PM EDT
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Stupid question but are the GAP glocks dimensionally similar to the 9/40/357 or do they use the ACP slide width?
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Posted: 5/14/2017 2:01:43 PM EDT
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Stupid question but are the GAP glocks dimensionally similar to the 9/40/357 or do they use the ACP slide width? |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 2:16:35 PM EDT
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I thought it was a 45 short? how does that make it a smaller frame than a regular 45? |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 5:08:52 PM EDT
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I thought it was a 45 short? how does that make it a smaller frame than a regular 45? 45GAP = .760" .138" is a pretty big difference in overall length |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 5:53:24 PM EDT
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I assumed that it was the "girth" of the 45 that made it difficult to double stack not the length. why would a shorter bullet fit more in mag?
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Posted: 5/14/2017 5:56:24 PM EDT
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So that gaston has a cartridge names after himself. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 6:00:07 PM EDT
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What is the purpose of the 45 GAP? I personally don't know anyone who has this caliber. Is this one of those calibers that will eventually go extinct? I tried to buy 10mm yesterday at a decent size gunstore and they had none, but they had 45gap. It's a decent round and gun, even if I rudely laughed at a Glock rep at the shot show when it was introduced. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 6:08:46 PM EDT
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I assumed that it was the "girth" of the 45 that made it difficult to double stack not the length. why would a shorter bullet fit more in mag? It's similar to the 40sw being a shortened 10mm... 40sw is the old FBI spec'd light 10mm load in a shorter case that Smith and Wesson said "Hey... we can put that into a smaller gun!!!". |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 6:11:55 PM EDT
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I tried to buy 10mm yesterday at a decent size gunstore and they had none, I ordered one from em and they had it shipped within 30 minutes of payment. I timed it well... order in the que right before Fedex showed up for the daily pickup. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 6:15:17 PM EDT
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Was supposed to be a 45 fitting in the 9/40 frames and slides from glock. They ended up with an abortion of a large slide like the other 45s and a 9/40 grip.
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Posted: 5/14/2017 6:23:54 PM EDT
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If Springfield ever came out with the 1911 EMP in .45 GAP that was on the cover of the American Rifleman about ten years ago, I'd own one. At the time I was really into .45 ACP guns and thought that particular EMP would be the cat's ass for a carry gun since it was a 7/8th copy of a 1911 with similar ballistics. Now, I've jumped on to the 9mm bandwagon, but I'd still be tempted if Springfield ever came through which is highly unlikely. One of theit reps at SHOT told me the reason it never materialized is they couldn't get them to function reliably with that concept gun.
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Posted: 5/14/2017 7:02:49 PM EDT
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Didn't the G4 version of the G37 do away with the wide slide?
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Posted: 5/14/2017 9:51:48 PM EDT
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Didn't the G4 version of the G37 do away with the wide slide? Easy caliber to reload for, very accurate, capacity limited - I have a 37 and about 3K cases - brass life is excellent. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 1:02:29 PM EDT
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So that gaston has a cartridge names after himself. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 2:33:21 PM EDT
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GAP = Gaston's Awful Product |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 11:04:48 PM EDT
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The GAP was created for people like me. I needed a 45 that fit my hands comfortably. I have one, but I don't care for 1911's as much as a Glock. I reload and with a little googling, I've got two five gallons of GAP brass that will last me for a long time.
It's also fun when I shoot a match and the brass whores swoop in to pick up the brass and look at it and realize they can't use it. Most of the people I shoot with know it's mine so I frequently get it back. It's still fun to see that confused look on their faces when they realize it's not ACP brass. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 6:14:09 AM EDT
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GT Dist in Dallas had G37s priced at $249 the last time I was there. They also had a few types of ammo.
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Posted: 5/18/2017 7:14:55 AM EDT
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It provides a 45 ACP equivalent loading to countries where 45 ACP is a restricted military (non-civilian) loading. American Rifleman | The .45 HP Load .45 GAP came about for two reasons. 1. To fit a .45 ACP ballistic equivalent cartridge into a Glock 9mm frame. 2. For Gaston Glock to have a carriage with his name on it. (Unconfirmed Rumor) |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 7:16:28 AM EDT
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This and the AWB. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To put .45 acp power into a package the size of a 9mm. It is equivalent to a +P .45 acp. if limited to ten rounds in a G17 frame.... then get the biggest bullet out there. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 7:18:12 AM EDT
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Had the assault weapon ban stayed in place the 45GAP would have been a home run. I believe Glock produced it thinking 10 round mags were going to be the norm. They gave it away to police departments with a media blitz to get it going and when the assault weapons ban lapsed it became a dud. Most of the agencies who went to it have dropped it and it will be like a .357 sig without the ability to swap out with a .40 barrel. I owned all 3 of them and liked the 37 and 38. When I started having a problem finding ammo I got rid of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This and the AWB. I owned all 3 of them and liked the 37 and 38. When I started having a problem finding ammo I got rid of them. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 7:19:08 AM EDT
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I've always wanted something in .45 GAP and I don't really know why. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 7:21:28 AM EDT
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It isn't capacity that the 45gap addresses... it's fitting a 45 caliber bullet into that 9mm sized frame. The limitation is front to rear in the gripframe / magazine, not side to side. Capacity is certainly reduced vs 9mm and 40sw, but it effectively shoehorns a 45 into a 9mm frame which is a feat worth noting. It's similar to the 40sw being a shortened 10mm... 40sw is the old FBI spec'd light 10mm load in a shorter case that Smith and Wesson said "Hey... we can put that into a smaller gun!!!". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I assumed that it was the "girth" of the 45 that made it difficult to double stack not the length. why would a shorter bullet fit more in mag? It's similar to the 40sw being a shortened 10mm... 40sw is the old FBI spec'd light 10mm load in a shorter case that Smith and Wesson said "Hey... we can put that into a smaller gun!!!". An ode to the .40 S&W (and its history and why it’s still the best) |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 10:24:04 AM EDT
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Girly hands
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Posted: 5/18/2017 10:28:21 AM EDT
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Girly hands |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 7:13:56 PM EDT
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We like to call them Trump hands. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 7:37:58 PM EDT
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Wait, are we against Trump now too??? |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 8:03:10 PM EDT
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I really wish that .40 S&W lie would die. An ode to the .40 S&W (and its history and why it’s still the best) I seem to recall reading in Coopers Gunsite newsletters that the 10mm FBI spec 'light' loading was the parent of the .40sw... were they completely independent developments, or did one influence the other? Was Cooper mistaken? Either way... .40sw is my 2nd favorite auto-pistol cartridge right behind the 10mm.  .45acp and 9mm can duke it out for 3rd place.
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Posted: 5/18/2017 8:06:20 PM EDT
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Huh... learn something new everyday. I seem to recall reading in Coopers Gunsite newsletters that the 10mm FBI spec 'light' loading was the parent of the .40sw... were they completely independent developments, or did one influence the other? Was Cooper mistaken? Either way... .40sw is my 2nd favorite auto-pistol cartridge right behind the 10mm. .45acp and 9mm can duke it out for 3rd place. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 8:40:13 PM EDT
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When my buddies in PSP told me they were getting G37s I thought they were screwing with me. It made no sense, as it was expensive and hard to get. From what I was told the department wanted a .45 but was concerned about female Troopers not being able to grip the Glock 21. The department only kept them for a few years.
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Posted: 5/18/2017 9:02:39 PM EDT
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Independent developments all based off a similar idea and ballistic plan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Huh... learn something new everyday. I seem to recall reading in Coopers Gunsite newsletters that the 10mm FBI spec 'light' loading was the parent of the .40sw... were they completely independent developments, or did one influence the other? Was Cooper mistaken? Either way... .40sw is my 2nd favorite auto-pistol cartridge right behind the 10mm. .45acp and 9mm can duke it out for 3rd place. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 9:08:25 PM EDT
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All said and done... great ideas both. .40sw is likely better for most shooters, much like the .45GAP is likely easier to handle than .45acp for many shooters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Huh... learn something new everyday. I seem to recall reading in Coopers Gunsite newsletters that the 10mm FBI spec 'light' loading was the parent of the .40sw... were they completely independent developments, or did one influence the other? Was Cooper mistaken? Either way... .40sw is my 2nd favorite auto-pistol cartridge right behind the 10mm. .45acp and 9mm can duke it out for 3rd place. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:41:52 AM EDT
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Our local PD went to the 45 GAP when it came out. They quickly abandoned the round and went back to 45 ACP. I have a lot of friends on the PD and SD, but nobody would give a solid explanation. The best answer was "ammo cost and availability". As a result, the officers and deputies could buy the the GAPs fairly cheap. I ended up with one, and never warmed up to it (or the ammo cost). It was sold. Later I sold all of my "big bore" Glocks (40 and 45 ACP) EXCEPT for my 10mm. Later still I sold my two 10MM Glocks.
I definitely not a Glock hater (my wife and I both EDC Glock 9mms, but I also like to carry HK 9/40/45s). For me, Glock is probably the best overall 9mm, but I didn't care for the larger options. I prefer HK for all things 40+. All told, I've been carrying Glocks since the early 1990s. The 45GAP was the absolute worst of the lot (the second being the G36). |
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Posted: 5/22/2017 5:37:08 AM EDT
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I never cared for the round either but I've seen the bullet after it's been removed from a body and the expansion and performance of the round was impressive. I think it was 2 or 3 rounds to the chest region and man was DRT.
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Posted: 5/22/2017 7:54:01 AM EDT
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Did it catch on overseas?
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