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Posted: 1/25/2017 1:07:46 PM EDT
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If I am thinking of the same photo, it was an Indianapolis PD G17m, not a true gen 5, though a successor to the gen4 nonetheless. Not going to be sold to the public until gov/le contracts are filled first.
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Posted: 1/25/2017 1:43:08 PM EDT
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In 9mm it appears to be the CZ P-10C
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Posted: 1/25/2017 1:47:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2017 6:08:42 AM EDT
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It's not a Gen 5
The "M" series is not a new generation, but rather a contract specific version to meet procurement requirements for the FBI and at least one other large agency. Glock confirmed at SHOT that a Gen 5 is not something that's in the works. The current "M" variants have been retuned to Glock for repairs due to a slide lock issue. This has been discussed at length several times. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 6:30:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2017 6:44:57 AM EDT
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Awesome
Didn't know you got yours back already. How long have you had it back? |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 6:51:47 AM EDT
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Didn't know you got yours back already. How long have you had it back? This was not a return gun. I have had it for a couple of weeks. So far, I am loving it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 6:59:21 AM EDT
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We transitioned to the regular 17.4 about the same time the original thread on the 17M (the one that turned into GD
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I wish we had waited and got the 17M, as I really dig the idea of no finger grooves. I can take them off my personal guns, but not something I'm issued |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 7:05:50 AM EDT
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I agree about the finger grooves. With the RTF frame these are a little Easier to handle than the old Gen 1s. Plus, the back straps help. I'm kind of meh about the Ambi slide release. Based on what I have seen so far, I'll pick up a 19 as soon as they hit the market.
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Posted: 1/26/2017 7:41:18 AM EDT
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All my personal guns are Gen3, so I will probably pick up a pair of 17M/19M when they become available.
Even my Gen3 17 with finger groove removal, stippling, and frame reduction does not feel as "thin" in my hand as my issued Gen4. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 9:37:43 AM EDT
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I mentioned this is the 2017 New Glock Products thread, but apparently at least two Glock LE reps have stated that the M models will not be available for agency testing until Summer 2017, and commercial sales will not start until 2018 at the earliest, due to their production demands for the FBI contract.
I like the idea of no finger grooves - my fingers just don't quite line up with the G19 Gen 3 grooves, and the grip on my G17 Gen 2 feels much better. I'm curious why they appear to have gone back to the round notch at the front of the magwell. Not something I feel strongly about, but I don't really care for it on my G17 for some reason. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 11:46:47 AM EDT
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What is the magwell like? Do you have a side by side comparison of a Gen3/4 vs M?
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Posted: 1/26/2017 12:21:56 PM EDT
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What is the magwell like? Do you have a side by side comparison of a Gen3/4 vs M? The mag well is flared. I'm at work but I'll post a side by side later. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 12:23:01 PM EDT
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The mag well is flared. I'm at work but I'll post a side by side later. Cool look forward to seeing. Thanks ahead of time. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 5:46:24 PM EDT
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God i want one.
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Posted: 1/26/2017 8:06:19 PM EDT
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What is the magwell like? Do you have a side by side comparison of a Gen3/4 vs M? Here is a magwell comparison. Sorry for the potato pics. From left to right, Gen3 34, Gen3 35, Gen2 22, 17M  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 8:43:42 PM EDT
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Here is a magwell comparison. Sorry for the potato pics. From left to right, Gen3 34, Gen3 35, Gen2 22, 17Mhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/55995/IMG-4488-134173.JPG Nice but they brought the half moon cut out back I wonder why. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 8:48:26 PM EDT
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I think that the FBI magazines have bigger baseplates. I can only guess that it's for stripping mags. Incapacitation drills?
In other words, I have no idea.
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Posted: 1/26/2017 9:25:50 PM EDT
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It's not a Gen 5 The "M" series is not a new generation, but rather a contract specific version to meet procurement requirements for the FBI and at least one other large agency. Glock confirmed at SHOT that a Gen 5 is not something that's in the works. The current "M" variants have been retuned to Glock for repairs due to a slide lock issue. This has been discussed at length several times. How can they be making basically the same gun for the last 34+ years and still have issues? I'm very interested in a 17M, hopefully they figure it out soon. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 9:31:40 PM EDT
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I agree about the finger grooves. With the RTF frame these are a little Easier to handle than the old Gen 1s. Plus, the back straps help. I'm kind of meh about the Ambi slide release. Based on what I have seen so far, I'll pick up a 19 as soon as they hit the market. Yup. A grooveless 19 with that texture would be a priority purchase for me, too. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 9:38:27 PM EDT
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How can they be making basically the same gun for the last 34+ years and still have issues? I'm very interested in a 17M, hopefully they figure it out soon. The issue with the slide stop spring was resolved. These guns are very new, but I don't know of any other problems. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 11:00:13 PM EDT
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The issue with the slide stop spring was resolved. These guns are very new, but I don't know of any other problems. I know there were issues with the first gen 4s too. I hope they get it all sorted. |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 1:38:49 AM EDT
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How can they be making basically the same gun for the last 34+ years and still have issues? I'm very interested in a 17M, hopefully they figure it out soon. It's not the same gun... The FBI requested several technical changes for the new pistol, which included a redesigned locking block (see photo) 
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Posted: 1/27/2017 12:00:46 PM EDT
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It's not the same gun... The FBI requested several technical changes for the new pistol, which included a redesigned locking block (see photo) http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/glock-17-M-mmac-5.jpg Also they have longer RSA if I remember correctly. Why they would change something that works is beyond me...... |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 12:34:22 PM EDT
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Does it come with the crapy finish as well?
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Posted: 1/27/2017 1:26:18 PM EDT
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Also they have longer RSA if I remember correctly. Why they would change something that works is beyond me...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not the same gun... The FBI requested several technical changes for the new pistol, which included a redesigned locking block (see photo) http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/glock-17-M-mmac-5.jpg Also they have longer RSA if I remember correctly. Why they would change something that works is beyond me...... I agree. Was the locking block and RSA really an issue or do they just need to be different ? And does the "M" stand for modified maybe and not Military as some have suggested ? |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 2:35:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And does the "M" stand for modified maybe and not Military as some have suggested ? Modified |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 3:03:32 PM EDT
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Have you had an M type 19/23 in your hands? I'm curious about the cutout on the smaller grips, that's going to be really annoying if present on the compact models.
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Posted: 1/27/2017 3:07:13 PM EDT
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Never understood the flared magwell. It is a tapered magazine anyways.
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Posted: 1/27/2017 3:58:39 PM EDT
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Have you had an M type 19/23 in your hands? I'm curious about the cutout on the smaller grips, that's going to be really annoying if present on the compact models. If there is a 23, it's more super secret than the 19. There is no cutout on the 19.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 4:04:46 PM EDT
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If there is a 23, it's more super secret than the 19. There is no cutout on the 19. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/55995/IMG-3988-134709.JPG Nice you have both. 
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Posted: 1/27/2017 4:13:08 PM EDT
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I don't have a 19 but I can get my hands on one fairly easily.
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Posted: 1/27/2017 4:15:10 PM EDT
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I don't have a 19 but I can get my hands on one fairly easily. I think that's the first pic ever of the 19M that's pretty cool thanks for sharing. |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 4:29:35 PM EDT
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If there is a 23, it's more super secret than the 19. There is no cutout on the 19. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/55995/IMG-3988-134709.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you had an M type 19/23 in your hands? I'm curious about the cutout on the smaller grips, that's going to be really annoying if present on the compact models. If there is a 23, it's more super secret than the 19. There is no cutout on the 19. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/55995/IMG-3988-134709.JPG I haven't kept up much, 9mm is my pick anyway. Thanks for the info, how'd you like the 19? |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 4:41:31 PM EDT
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I haven't kept up much, 9mm is my pick anyway. Thanks for the info, how'd you like the 19? If you like Glocks, I think it's a home run. |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 5:07:05 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'm going to hold out for this 19 instead of buying a Gen4.
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Posted: 1/27/2017 9:24:33 PM EDT
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A couple guys on Lightfighter, including an LEO who talked to Glock at SHOT, are under the impression that Glock does not intend to release these models for civilian sales (for now, at least) and will only sell them to select agencies. One of them speculated that part of this may be because they were pressured into producing variants without finger grooves (as specified by the FBI), which are otherwise billed as an "improvement" on Gen 3 and later models. On one hand, it seems like they would want to sell anything that will make money, but on the other hand, I could see the dilemma of removing a feature that has been advertised as an important part of their design. This last part is speculation, of course, but the first part about restricted sales is apparently based on actual conversations with Glock reps. I hope this is not the case, because I definitely like the look of the 19.
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Posted: 1/28/2017 4:43:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2017 4:52:05 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'm going to hold out for this 19 instead of buying a Gen4. Same here. I'm itching to add a 19 to my stable for CCW and that 19M grip is so...YES! Hopefully they will be available to us mere mortals soon. My first GLOCK was a 17/4 - very early production. Had issues for over a year of trying new parts from GLOCK until it ran right. Now I trust my life with it and CCW it often. Hopefully the M series - if released to non LE - will just run. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:11:57 PM EDT
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The "M" models, that is the 17M and 19M will become available to the public, "eventually". Originally, they predicted after Shot Show.
The FBI specification, in the section specifing dimensions, equaled the the 17/19 in size. They specified a 9mm. They specified no finger groves. They specified night sights available equal to Trijicon HD's or better. They specified it had to be available in three colors: non-reflective black, tan and green. They specified the mags had to interchange (i.e. the 17 fit 19); the mag well be flared for rapid mag change. They specified there be three sizes in frame (i.e. back straps).....They specified the triggers be 5-6 lb pull. I don't remember reading anything about locking blocks. I do know they have flared the barrels on the sides. The new gen 4's are like that I noticed. I recently got one of the gen 4 19C's and the sides of the barrel use to be squared, but, now are beveled on the corners. I've not seen one in other than black yet either. ADD: Also, I wonder if the triggers and the rest of the parts interchange with the the g4 17/19's??? |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:19:07 PM EDT
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I'm looking forward to the release of the new model as well as some detailed 17M/19M pictures! I love how secret squirrel Glock is when developing new models.
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Posted: 1/30/2017 12:38:14 AM EDT
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I want a 17m. This might make me stop shooting my Gen 2 gun
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Posted: 1/30/2017 9:15:14 AM EDT
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I am definitely in for a G19 M when they become available. Hope this can happen this year...
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Posted: 1/30/2017 11:49:49 AM EDT
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ADD: Also, I wonder if the triggers and the rest of the parts interchange with the the g4 17/19's??? No. There are a few small parts that interchange but the M guns are not backwards compatible. |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 11:58:38 AM EDT
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This was not a return gun. I have had it for a couple of weeks. So far, I am loving it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/55995/IMG-0187-133846.JPG has anyone mentioned what the problem was that was causing the slides to come off? I predicted a problem with the slide lock orientation or slide lock spring |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 12:06:11 PM EDT
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has anyone mentioned what the problem was that was causing the slides to come off? I predicted a problem with the slide lock orientation or slide lock spring The word is that it was some bad slide lock springs. |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 12:20:41 PM EDT
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The word is that it was some bad slide lock springs. Thanks. What about the finish? The specs said that it was supposed to have an improved finish but looking at your pics, it looks pretty beat up |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 12:40:35 PM EDT
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That's just oil and lighting. I haven't had it long enough to to judge the finish.
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Posted: 1/30/2017 2:14:09 PM EDT
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Can't wait to get a 17M and 19M
Wish the 17M didn't have the half-moon cutout, but I'll deal with it Won't be getting rid of any of my other 17s or 19s when I get these in my stable |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 2:26:20 PM EDT
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Glock is going to sell a ton of those 19Ms!
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