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You know guys, you can order directly from ETS as well, that is what I am doing to avoid any drama and problems. They have a LEO/Military discount and at times they may have an ARFCOM discount if your not LEO or Military....<><....:) View Quote How do you set up the military / LE discount? I'm thinking of trying some of these as duty mags. The arredondo +5 basepads that I have now are a little too big and don't hold 22 like they say they will. Also, you can get 15 into the new G19 ETS mags but that last one is really frigging cram packed in there. I've been downloading to 14 until I wear in the magsprings a little. |
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I ordered two of the G19, 15 round capacity magazines from Brownells a few days ago. The magpul mags lock the slide open with a round left in the mag EVERY FRIGGING TIME and they also won't drop free when loaded. These mags don't seem to have those problems... View Quote That's funny because my Magpul mags fail to lock the slide back on empty about 80% of the time. |
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I bought several of the new 16 round Glock 22 mags. Took them out to a range day and let a few co-workers use them for the day. The guys that got to run them are also firearm instructors. I wasn't shooting a Glock, so didn't get to try the mags out.
The range we use has a cement floor, so mags get beat up quickly during reload drills, etc. Everyone that used the mags was surprised how the mags felt compared to a standard Glock mag. They thought it felt lighter and "cheaper" than an OEM mag. Once the ETS mags started getting used, those thoughts went away. Didn't really do any formal testing, just want to see how they'd work and get different opinions on the mags. Couple of things I noticed: One shooter wasn't able to seat one mag when loaded to 16 rounds. Another had slide lock issues (just once). All mags dropped free and did not swell when loaded. Zero misfeeds or anything else eventful. After being dropped numerous times empty on cement, the mags show no signs it. I'm going to make these my new "range" mags for my 40 cal Glocks. Just need some released in 45 apc. |
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I bought several of the new 16 round Glock 22 mags. Took them out to a range day and let a few co-workers use them for the day. The guys that got to run them are also firearm instructors. I wasn't shooting a Glock, so didn't get to try the mags out. The range we use has a cement floor, so mags get beat up quickly during reload drills, etc. Everyone that used the mags was surprised how the mags felt compared to a standard Glock mag. They thought it felt lighter and "cheaper" than an OEM mag. Once the ETS mags started getting used, those thoughts went away. Didn't really do any formal testing, just want to see how they'd work and get different opinions on the mags. Couple of things I noticed: One shooter wasn't able to seat one mag when loaded to 16 rounds. Another had slide lock issues (just once). All mags dropped free and did not swell when loaded. Zero misfeeds or anything else eventful. After being dropped numerous times empty on cement, the mags show no signs it. I'm going to make these my new "range" mags for my 40 cal Glocks. Just need some released in 45 apc. View Quote Thanks for posting the feedback! |
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Again to ETS Group, how do I get set up the LEO / MIL program?
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My 31, 22 and 15 round 9mm mags arrived and I shot them today after a couple of qualifications at the range. They all worked flawlessly in my Glock(s) and my Kel-Tec. I did not shoot the .40 cal magazine yet but I am sure it will work just as well. Thanks ETS!!!....<><....:)
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I just got 2 31 9mm mags and my first impression is they feel very cheaply made and flimsy. The KCI ones I have feel more robust. I hope these hold up as the reviews state. I guess only time will tell, They look cool though
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I just got 2 31 9mm mags and my first impression is they feel very cheaply made and flimsy. The KCI ones I have feel more robust. I hope these hold up as the reviews state. I guess only time will tell, They look cool though View Quote KCI doesn't even hold a candle to the ETS mags. My old KCI's stay at the back of the cabinet now and don't even see the rotation. I only use my factory Glock and now the ETS. Quit holding them and try them out and you will see what the rest of us are finding out; these are first rate mags. |
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Quoted: KCI doesn't even hold a candle to the ETS mags. My old KCI's stay at the back of the cabinet now and don't even see the rotation. I only use my factory Glock and now the ETS. Quit holding them and try them out and you will see what the rest of us are finding out; these are first rate mags. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I just got 2 31 9mm mags and my first impression is they feel very cheaply made and flimsy. The KCI ones I have feel more robust. I hope these hold up as the reviews state. I guess only time will tell, They look cool though KCI doesn't even hold a candle to the ETS mags. My old KCI's stay at the back of the cabinet now and don't even see the rotation. I only use my factory Glock and now the ETS. Quit holding them and try them out and you will see what the rest of us are finding out; these are first rate mags. This. I love my 31 rounders. Work well in my Sub2000 also. |
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I just got 2 31 9mm mags and my first impression is they feel very cheaply made and flimsy. The KCI ones I have feel more robust. I hope these hold up as the reviews state. I guess only time will tell, They look cool though View Quote I think some people associate heavier weight or the more rigid feel of steel to being better quality or more durable. I promise you this, there is nothing cheap or low quality about our mags. That's why we offer a lifetime warranty and a 100% satisfaction guarantee. I am confident that over time you will love our mags. We appreciate your business! |
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Again to ETS Group, how do I get set up the LEO / MIL program? View Quote Please email [email protected] and they will get your account setup. |
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ETS group- can you post what kind of testing you did to these mags when in development. This may answer a lot of ? Or post a link to this info.
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ETS group- can you post what kind of testing you did to these mags when in development. This may answer a lot of ? Or post a link to this info. EG. Hot and cold testing and dropping them on feed lips. Crush test etc. View Quote I will post some off the cuff stuff since I am not in the office. The first test is of reliability. We wanted to make sure we offered the same reliability you guys have come to expect from OEM mags. We tested with thousands of rounds in all gen and models of glocks. Based on the 10s of thousands of rounds we tested with we could not tell any measurable difference in the reliability of our mags and OEM mags. Then came durability testing. We wanted to see how a single mag would hold up over time so we used a G17 mag and started with 6000 rounds through that single mag. Other than being dirty and some light surface scratches it was unchanged. That mag now has over 10k rounds thought and still going strong. We were particularly interested in how our non metal feedlips help up to the wear. The feedlips are still new looking and no measurable amount of material has worn off. Next was impact testing. We dropped hundreds of mags thousands of times. Loaded, unloaded. Hot, Cold, to -60. We never broke a single mag. Our drop tests consisted of 6ft drops on concrete. Fully loaded most of the time. We have a few 31 rounders that were dropped over 60 times each fully loaded and they still run just fine. We ran over a G17 mag with an 8000lb diesel and it survived 6 times being run over. We left them in 180 degrees for a week straight, only taking it out occasionally to drop test and fire it. The mags were not affected by the heat. We put them in the thermatron and left them at -60 for 48 hours and performed the drop testing and they didn't break or crack. We ran them and they functioned as they should. We know from previous testing that our material is extremely chemical resistant. That testing was extensive on our AR mags. We left them in all of the transportatonal fluids and many acids and solvents for a week straight. Also, our material is not affected by DEET. In all of these chemical tests our mags retained over 99% of their mechanical properties. Finally is creep testing. This one is hard because it just takes a long long time to conduct. We have some of our glock mags that have been left fully loaded since last May and there is not measurable creep. So no need to worry about the feedlips spreading from storing them loaded. If there is something I forgot to cover feel free to ask. There is a reason we can confidently offer a lifetime warranty on our mags... |
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I will post some off the cuff stuff since I am not in the office. The first test is of reliability. We wanted to make sure we offered the same reliability you guys have come to expect from OEM mags. We tested with thousands of rounds in all gen and models of glocks. Based on the 10s of thousands of rounds we tested with we could not tell any measurable difference in the reliability of our mags and OEM mags. Then came durability testing. We wanted to see how a single mag would hold up over time so we used a G17 mag and started with 6000 rounds through that single mag. Other than being dirty and some light surface scratches it was unchanged. That mag now has over 10k rounds thought and still going strong. We were particularly interested in how our non metal feedlips help up to the wear. The feedlips are still new looking and no measurable amount of material has worn off. Next was impact testing. We dropped hundreds of mags thousands of times. Loaded, unloaded. Hot, Cold, to -60. We never broke a single mag. Our drop tests consisted of 6ft drops on concrete. Fully loaded most of the time. We have a few 31 rounders that were dropped over 60 times each fully loaded and they still run just fine. We ran over a G17 mag with an 8000lb diesel and it survived 6 times being run over. We left them in 180 degrees for a week straight, only taking it out occasionally to drop test and fire it. The mags were not affected by the heat. We put them in the thermatron and left them at -60 for 48 hours and performed the drop testing and they didn't break or crack. We ran them and they functioned as they should. We know from previous testing that our material is extremely chemical resistant. That testing was extensive on our AR mags. We left them in all of the transportatonal fluids and many acids and solvents for a week straight. Also, our material is not affected by DEET. In all of these chemical tests our mags retained over 99% of their mechanical properties. Finally is creep testing. This one is hard because it just takes a long long time to conduct. We have some of our glock mags that have been left fully loaded since last May and there is not measurable creep. So no need to worry about the feedlips spreading from storing them loaded. If there is something I forgot to cover feel free to ask. There is a reason we can confidently offer a lifetime warranty on our mags... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ETS group- can you post what kind of testing you did to these mags when in development. This may answer a lot of ? Or post a link to this info. EG. Hot and cold testing and dropping them on feed lips. Crush test etc. I will post some off the cuff stuff since I am not in the office. The first test is of reliability. We wanted to make sure we offered the same reliability you guys have come to expect from OEM mags. We tested with thousands of rounds in all gen and models of glocks. Based on the 10s of thousands of rounds we tested with we could not tell any measurable difference in the reliability of our mags and OEM mags. Then came durability testing. We wanted to see how a single mag would hold up over time so we used a G17 mag and started with 6000 rounds through that single mag. Other than being dirty and some light surface scratches it was unchanged. That mag now has over 10k rounds thought and still going strong. We were particularly interested in how our non metal feedlips help up to the wear. The feedlips are still new looking and no measurable amount of material has worn off. Next was impact testing. We dropped hundreds of mags thousands of times. Loaded, unloaded. Hot, Cold, to -60. We never broke a single mag. Our drop tests consisted of 6ft drops on concrete. Fully loaded most of the time. We have a few 31 rounders that were dropped over 60 times each fully loaded and they still run just fine. We ran over a G17 mag with an 8000lb diesel and it survived 6 times being run over. We left them in 180 degrees for a week straight, only taking it out occasionally to drop test and fire it. The mags were not affected by the heat. We put them in the thermatron and left them at -60 for 48 hours and performed the drop testing and they didn't break or crack. We ran them and they functioned as they should. We know from previous testing that our material is extremely chemical resistant. That testing was extensive on our AR mags. We left them in all of the transportatonal fluids and many acids and solvents for a week straight. Also, our material is not affected by DEET. In all of these chemical tests our mags retained over 99% of their mechanical properties. Finally is creep testing. This one is hard because it just takes a long long time to conduct. We have some of our glock mags that have been left fully loaded since last May and there is not measurable creep. So no need to worry about the feedlips spreading from storing them loaded. If there is something I forgot to cover feel free to ask. There is a reason we can confidently offer a lifetime warranty on our mags... So when do the transparent lower receivers and furniture hit the market? |
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Quoted: So when do the transparent lower receivers and furniture hit the market? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ETS group- can you post what kind of testing you did to these mags when in development. This may answer a lot of ? Or post a link to this info. EG. Hot and cold testing and dropping them on feed lips. Crush test etc. I will post some off the cuff stuff since I am not in the office. The first test is of reliability. We wanted to make sure we offered the same reliability you guys have come to expect from OEM mags. We tested with thousands of rounds in all gen and models of glocks. Based on the 10s of thousands of rounds we tested with we could not tell any measurable difference in the reliability of our mags and OEM mags. Then came durability testing. We wanted to see how a single mag would hold up over time so we used a G17 mag and started with 6000 rounds through that single mag. Other than being dirty and some light surface scratches it was unchanged. That mag now has over 10k rounds thought and still going strong. We were particularly interested in how our non metal feedlips help up to the wear. The feedlips are still new looking and no measurable amount of material has worn off. Next was impact testing. We dropped hundreds of mags thousands of times. Loaded, unloaded. Hot, Cold, to -60. We never broke a single mag. Our drop tests consisted of 6ft drops on concrete. Fully loaded most of the time. We have a few 31 rounders that were dropped over 60 times each fully loaded and they still run just fine. We ran over a G17 mag with an 8000lb diesel and it survived 6 times being run over. We left them in 180 degrees for a week straight, only taking it out occasionally to drop test and fire it. The mags were not affected by the heat. We put them in the thermatron and left them at -60 for 48 hours and performed the drop testing and they didn't break or crack. We ran them and they functioned as they should. We know from previous testing that our material is extremely chemical resistant. That testing was extensive on our AR mags. We left them in all of the transportatonal fluids and many acids and solvents for a week straight. Also, our material is not affected by DEET. In all of these chemical tests our mags retained over 99% of their mechanical properties. Finally is creep testing. This one is hard because it just takes a long long time to conduct. We have some of our glock mags that have been left fully loaded since last May and there is not measurable creep. So no need to worry about the feedlips spreading from storing them loaded. If there is something I forgot to cover feel free to ask. There is a reason we can confidently offer a lifetime warranty on our mags... So when do the transparent lower receivers and furniture hit the market? That would be badass if key areas are reinforced with metal. |
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Again to ETS Group, how do I get set up the LEO / MIL program? Please email [email protected] and they will get your account setup. Does that program also include us firemans? |
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Again to ETS Group, how do I get set up the LEO / MIL program? Please email [email protected] and they will get your account setup. Does that program also include us firemans? Sorry, couldn't resist....... I still haven't received my mags from Botach I ordered on the 4th...... |
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I still haven't received my mags from Botach I ordered on the 4th...... View Quote I ordered a lot of 22 and 31 rounders on the 13th, went to back order a few days later, I received a shipping notice 2 days ago. They still had them listed in stock as of yesterday (at a higher price) so yours are probably on the way. |
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I got mine from AIM Surplus. Love 'em so far! Gonna try the Glock +2 baseplate out on my 31rd mags.
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Ran 300 through my 9mm AR today using ETS 31 rounders' without a hiccup. Got them nice and dirty out here in the desert and they didn't jam up. <a href="http://s108.photobucket.com/user/scuds03/media/IMG_0644_zpsdhgpkgun.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/scuds03/IMG_0644_zpsdhgpkgun.jpg</a> View Quote Could you tell us what kind of lower/upper are you using? |
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Ran 300 through my 9mm AR today using ETS 31 rounders' without a hiccup. Got them nice and dirty out here in the desert and they didn't jam up. <a href="http://s108.photobucket.com/user/scuds03/media/IMG_0644_zpsdhgpkgun.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/scuds03/IMG_0644_zpsdhgpkgun.jpg</a> Could you tell us what kind of lower/upper are you using? Sure, this thread has my full rundown: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_15/694371_New_NFA_9mm_Build___Accuracy_Testing__Pics_.html |
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Mags arrived from Botach today. Empty they drop free no problem, loaded to full capacity (22 and 31 rounds respectively) they drop but seem to hang up a little with the slide closed, more so with the 22 rounders. Loaded to -1 of capacity they drop perfect. I'm assuming the down force of the top round pushing against slide forces the mag against the mag release causing this on a full mag which to me isn't an issue as I see no need to drop a full mag with the slide closed. Really nice mags, glad I bought a bunch. I'll be running these hard this weekend and will update with how they perform. Did the drop free test on 3 different 19's, one gen 3 and 2 gen 4s and same results with all. So far, so good.
*UPDATE* Did not get to run these too hard this weekend but did put about 300+ rounds through 4 of them with no issues. Mix of FMJ and 147 JHP, everything ran great and slide locked back every time. Bump fired one of the 22 rounders and it passed the test. |
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As a side note, these mags won't work with steel case ammunition. I tried Tula in these things yesterday and the rounds get stuck on the magazine walls and/or each other and the followers won't push the rounds up reliably.
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As a side note, these mags won't work with steel case ammunition. I tried Tula in these things yesterday and the rounds get stuck on the magazine walls and/or each other and the followers won't push the rounds up reliably. View Quote It's cheap ammo, I wouldn't expect anything less. It is pretty wild to see the spring ball up at the bottom when loaded to capacity. |
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As a side note, these mags won't work with steel case ammunition. I tried Tula in these things yesterday and the rounds get stuck on the magazine walls and/or each other and the followers won't push the rounds up reliably. View Quote That sucks, I have used lots of BrownBear in my G19 with Glock mags... |
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I've put about 300 rounds of steel case Wolf WPA through my ETS mags without issue.
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As a side note, these mags won't work with steel case ammunition. I tried Tula in these things yesterday and the rounds get stuck on the magazine walls and/or each other and the followers won't push the rounds up reliably. View Quote There is something wrong with your mags. We run steel ammo in them testing them all of the time. Please contact customer service so we can get you taken care of. |
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Got my four 22 rounders finally today. My wife got her bottom two wisdom teeth pulled today so I haven't had a chance to really mess with them besides making sure every one dropped free empty and locked the slide back. I am really excited to try these out next time I go shooting.
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Got my four 22 rounders finally today. My wife got her bottom two wisdom teeth pulled today so I haven't had a chance to really mess with them besides making sure every one dropped free empty and locked the slide back. I am really excited to try these out next time I go shooting. View Quote Do you have a glock 19? If so, pics!!!!!!! Plz |
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I want to buy a G-17 just because I like these mags. I only own G-21's and 30S.
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Can anyone get a caliper measurement of the distance from front to rear on the inside? Wondering how ammo OAL max would compare to stockers.
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Can anyone get a caliper measurement of the distance from front to rear on the inside? Wondering how ammo OAL max would compare to stockers. Nominal is 1.190" They should all be there +- .002" That's interesting. Would be nice to be able to load longer for .40. My G35 has a deep chamber, but OAL limited by the OEM mags. Do you have an ETA on the 140mm .40 mags and able to share how many rounds they'll hold once available? |
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