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Posted: 8/31/2004 11:40:24 PM EDT
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P220 has a very short service life. only about 20K rounds before the frames crack. |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 9:26:42 AM EDT
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indoor range in west palm had a sig blow up from a double charged rem'd catg. i'd bet you a large orange drink it was a .45.
with the aftermarket barrels, once again, it's a #s game. how many are in circulation vs factory? jeez, just don't shoot lead or reloads. are we retarded? |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 10:30:04 AM EDT
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considering the reports with factory ammo kb'ing in them as well i'd say don't shoot factory ammo either.
Believe the stories or not it's up to you. My personal feeling is why spend that much money on a product with such an iffy reputation. There are PLENTY of other optins in the same price range without the risc. Sure you may not have a problem. But if you do expect glock to tell you to kiss their ass. |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 10:44:12 AM EDT
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I have a Glock 21 That i have had for about 2 years now and i have shot about 3,000 rounds threw not one problem with it. My wife has a Glock 23 she has had it for 1 year and she carries it everywhere she goes notone problem with it , she loves it . I had a Glock 23 at one time but i sold it ,i shot just about every kind of 40 cal ammo threw it without one problem . If they were such bad guns or blowed up as much as people think they do why does some many police dept and the FBI,DEA and the others use them if they were a problem with them they would get some other gun, seeing there ass is on the line everyday .. But that is just my view
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Posted: 9/1/2004 11:06:14 AM EDT
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yeah, show me |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 11:08:48 AM EDT
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P220 has a very short service life. only about 20K rounds before the frames crack. mine has not cracked yet, and i bet i have fired 20,00 reloads after the thousands of factory stuff, heck yeah baby, even wolf |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 2:44:30 PM EDT
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actually several departments are dumping glocks. Not just for kb issues. mike |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 3:28:11 PM EDT
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Yep.. My department issues the Glock 23, amoung other pistols, and authorizes any Glock in 9mm, 40SW, or 45ACP. We have a high incidence of failures to eject with the Glock 19 and Winchester Ranger 147Gn RA9T ammo. We had failures to feed with the Glock 21 and Winchester Ranger ammo. Glock made some changes to the Glock 21 mag follower that seems to have helped. We have never had a kB, even though we used commercial reloads in the Glock 23's for close to 8 years. We only have about 800 Glock 23's in service right now, and a couple thousand other models of Glocks . Other agencies have larger statistical samples. |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 5:56:21 PM EDT
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I have a SigP220 that i bought new in 1990 and i have fired i dont know how many thousand of rounds i have shoot threw it, and my frame has not cracked..
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Posted: 9/1/2004 6:44:38 PM EDT
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The one and only k'boom I have ever witnessed was in a Glock 22. No damage done, but did scare the be jesus out of my friend. He still believes in Glock 40's and shoots hundreds or rounds a year thru his.
Never heard of 45's kabooming until this thread. Interesting. FWIW I own a Glock, but in 9mm. Not to fond of the 40 in any gun. |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 10:24:14 PM EDT
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I would be interested to see a list of departments that have dumped the Glocks. If youre going to cliam it you better be prepared to back it up with proof or at least some evidence.
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Posted: 9/2/2004 3:49:24 AM EDT
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Start keeping track, check the frame at the 20K mark. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 9:15:25 PM EDT
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I will keep a check we will see
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Posted: 9/3/2004 3:27:34 PM EDT
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try reading the forums. The reports have been all over the site for the last several months. I know i have seen the threads from at least 4 here. I don't have to BACK UP anything as i really doubt you'd listen to the evidence anyway. Not to mention i don't have the time to waste doing research for you. Go back to drinking the tennifer at glock talk. Glock perfection is anything but. mike edited to add here is one link you might find interesting. gun zone |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 10:30:30 PM EDT
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 Glock wasn't made for anything other than 9mm damnit! I dont know why they are exceding their limitations of the plastic. "A |
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Posted: 9/5/2004 12:31:15 AM EDT
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Show me a Beretta 92FS. I have been dying to see pictures of fractured frames (I have searched relentlessly). I have seen about 5 different Glocks already and 1 HK USP (but I dont know if it was a KB, the mag well was just cracked). |
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Posted: 9/5/2004 5:04:25 AM EDT
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i had a 1st 92 when the army first got them that cracked. Don't have any pics but we did have a few fail.
Bad ammo can probobly be attributed to 90+% of glock kb's. But they do seem to have a MUCH higher incidence of failure than other models. jmho mike |
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Posted: 9/5/2004 11:21:44 AM EDT
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You know why they seem to have a MUCH higher incidence of failure than other models, because they are more glocks owned and used then any other handgun ,if they were so bad the FBI and all the other police dept would not use them . Do you think they would carry a firearm that was bad when there life is on the line i dont think so, the FBI did a lot of testing on the Glock before they started to use them not one problem If people would read the book that came with there Glock it says not to use reloads or lead bullets.. And Fed had a lot of bad ammo in 40cal for a while . I like Glocks the same way i like sig,hk,beretta,s&w they are all good guns ..
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Posted: 9/5/2004 11:40:22 AM EDT
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There have been millions of Beretta 92s on the market before Glock came along. I would bet there are still more 92s than Glocks, or at least pretty even. The FBI uses whatever is in vogue. Once some new whiz-banger comes along you can bet Glock will take a hike. |
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Posted: 9/5/2004 12:36:35 PM EDT
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Complete bullshit. How many 1911 and clones are in circulation since around the 1900's? MANY THOUSAND more than glock will likely ever produce. The catastrophic failure rate on glock is SIGNIFICANTLY higher for numbers produced. All guns can fail but seriously glock seems to do it more often. The glock manual was not updated to reflect NO LEAD BULLETS until fairly recently. In fact the only thing in my g30 manual was the standard NO RELOADS warning that EVERY gun owners manual carries. see here www.thegunzone.com/glock/manual.html  Some of you guys that think Glock is perfection really to to go outside and breath some fresh air. They do have some good guns but he 40's and 45's are not it. |
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Posted: 9/5/2004 12:46:23 PM EDT
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Exactly I replaced my Mod 22 barrell after a ruptured case, I was shocked to see how much tighter the chamber on the after market barrell was. The factory chamber with new factory ammo was like a bb in a tin can, never again will I fire a Glock 40 with a factory barrell. |
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Posted: 9/5/2004 1:28:03 PM EDT
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Ford trucks are better.
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Posted: 9/5/2004 1:42:28 PM EDT
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gets old doesn't it. |
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Posted: 9/5/2004 5:31:21 PM EDT
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Yes it gets old fast , if you dont like Glock thats fine my wife loves her Glock 23 and i like my Glock21 with that said it just comes down to what you like . One other thing Ford is better
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Posted: 9/6/2004 2:57:09 PM EDT
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it has nothing to do with like or dislike for me. I just hate seeing people get sucked into the GLOCK IS PERFECT mentality and not be informed of POSSIBLE design problems with the guns. Like it or not glock has an admitted problem they are not willing to address.
As a former glock owner i want people to be informed of those problems. if they choose to get one fine. Just be aware of ALL the info out there. mike |
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