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Posted: 2/10/2006 2:47:30 AM EDT
Soon, I will have my CWP and I am glad my wonderful fiance bought be a Milt Sparks SSII for my carry purposes. However, I am having a dilema that I feel can be helped greatly by those concerned with home defense: what do I do with my gun when I go to sleep? I have considered getting a paddle-style holster and mounting it in a secret place (i.e behind the bed). Any other suggestions? It seems keeping it in a safe could end up taking far too much time in an emergency situation, and since I have no kids I feel I can get away with the risks of having a pistol in a hiding spot of some sort.

Where do you keep your gun when you are sleeping?

Phil
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 3:05:11 AM EDT
seriously... why would you think someone would answer that question?

Originally Posted By philp110:
Soon, I will have my CWP and I am glad my wonderful fiance bought be a Milt Sparks SSII for my carry purposes. However, I am having a dilema that I feel can be helped greatly by those concerned with home defense: what do I do with my gun when I go to sleep? I have considered getting a paddle-style holster and mounting it in a secret place (i.e behind the bed). Any other suggestions? It seems keeping it in a safe could end up taking far too much time in an emergency situation, and since I have no kids I feel I can get away with the risks of having a pistol in a hiding spot of some sort.

Where do you keep your gun when you are sleeping?

Phil

Link Posted: 2/10/2006 3:17:04 AM EDT
Good point... Hmm, well now I feel really, really dumb. Ok, allow me to rephrase: where is a good place to keep one while not revealing where you keep your own?
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 3:22:25 AM EDT
all over the place You might look into getting some magnets, though, and putting them somewhere in sight that no one could normally see or expect.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 3:44:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 4:13:23 AM EDT
In my hand.

Actually, I keep mine on a shelf. I've got a 12-guage for solving problems in the house.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 5:40:54 AM EDT
I keep my GLOCK on the nightstand for late night trips to the bathroom, etc. However, if something goes bump in the night, I grab my AR carbine, which is right next to the bed as well.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 7:17:17 AM EDT
On the night stand two feet from my head. Why keep it out of sight? If someone is already standing over you when you wake up, it's too late anyway.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 8:34:52 AM EDT
find a place that is out of immediate sight, but that you can access 100% of the time when you are still asleep in complete darkness. It should require no sort of dexterity or skill, just pure muscle memory. This is a very personal decision based on the circumstances unique to your room.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:07:06 AM EDT
Gun Vault

Seydou
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:31:54 AM EDT
Headboard usually. But in the past, I had a tanker style holster on the side of my bed (the side away from the door) and used the straps to tuck under the mattress to hold it in place.

Have a look at the Wilderness Safepacker ... it's versatile and can be used as I describe in some cases. Has room for a spare mag and a strap for a flashlight to clip to. Also has an optional shoulder strap to keep the whole kit ready to grab and go if you wish.

Or, mount one of the holsters that didn't wirk as well as you thought it would for carrying, in an accessible spot (head of the bed perhaps?).

Be sure to practice the draw (with an unloaded weapon) until muscle memory will allow you to do it in complete darkness.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:33:01 AM EDT
Gunvault on night stand. I have Kids.
BK (Before Kids) I kept it under my pillow. I don't move much in my sleep.
friends of mine say they keep it on night stand.

When I get out of aptments I will use my Mini-30 for those bump in the night issues. my CCW hand gun will still be in the gunvault on nightstand, when not in my holster. good habits should not be broken. IMHO
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:52:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By joker581:
I keep mine on a shelf. I've got a 12-guage for solving problems in the house.



Hell yeah! Shotgun for Home Defense is Good SOLID Thinking!
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 10:38:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By joker581:
I keep mine on a shelf. I've got a 12-guage for solving problems in the house.



Hell yeah! Shotgun for Home Defense is Good SOLID Thinking!

Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 11:22:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 11:27:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By joker581:

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By joker581:
I keep mine on a shelf. I've got a 12-guage for solving problems in the house.



Hell yeah! Shotgun for Home Defense is Good SOLID Thinking!

Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?



Markm prefers coach gun with birdshot.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 11:54:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By joker581:

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By joker581:
I keep mine on a shelf. I've got a 12-guage for solving problems in the house.



Hell yeah! Shotgun for Home Defense is Good SOLID Thinking!

Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?



Markm prefers coach gun with birdshot.



I am a newbie to shotguns - can someone explain why a shotgun is a bad choice? From my own logic, I am thinking: a) good close quarters weapon. b) pumpshotguns make a sweet noise when racking it that would certainly make me leave if i were a criminal. c) correct me if i am wrong, but it would seem a bullet from a .45 is going to go through a lot more walls and potentially cause more damage than shot which might stop much quicker.
Like I said - a newbie to shotguns, I have NO IDEA what I am talking about. Just rambling.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 12:45:27 PM EDT
check out the box-o-truth for your penetration inquiries.

to sum it up: basically ANYTHING that will reliably stop a BG will overpenetrate. The key is SHOT PLACEMENT. Did you track on that ok? The best way to stop a BG while protecting people you want to protect is: SHOT PLACEMENT!!!!! There is no magic gun that you dont have to aim (often claimed for shotguns) that will stop BG's cold and not overpenetrate walls.

Bottom line: be GOOD with whatever gun you choose to use for home defense. By "be good" i dont mean be able to put holes in paper at 100 yards while sitting at a bench with the gun rested on sand bags after a good night's sleep in daylight ect ect ect

Being good with a gun means: being able to operate the gun completely by feel, while being able to instinctively raise the weapon to a firing position from muscle memory, and being able to make COM shots in close quarters, in poor light, under extreme stress, with a split second to make the call.

And dont count on any sight, sound (racking), smell, ect to scare away a BG. You might get a chickenshit guy who will douse his drawers and depart at the sound of a shotgun, but don't count on it, and be prepared to PROPERLY use the weapon.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 1:51:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By joker581:

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By joker581:
I keep mine on a shelf. I've got a 12-guage for solving problems in the house.



Hell yeah! Shotgun for Home Defense is Good SOLID Thinking!

Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?



Markm prefers coach gun with birdshot.



Heck yes! Nobody can survive a full powered bird shot from me!
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 1:52:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/10/2006 1:53:41 PM EDT by HardShell]



They have handgun-only sized models, too...

www.securitylockersystems.com/
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 3:24:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/10/2006 3:25:13 PM EDT by VBC]
I keep a couple handguns out. One bedroom gun and the one that I CCW. The bedroom gun stays under the dresser where I can roll out of bed and retrieve it. (No kids in the house.)

The rest are in the gun safe and I keep a couple dozen loaded 30-round AR-15 mags stashed away in case I get attacked by zombies. Plus plenty of 3" magnum 000 buckshot for mah SHOTGUN.

People who diss the shotgun don't KNOW the shotgun.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 3:56:14 PM EDT
My primary on the night stand and secondary in between the matress and box spring in a open top holster with grip hanging out. Primary in right hand and secondary in left!

If you don't like having it on the night stand, then in between the matress and box spring is a good choice of access vs out of view!
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 6:03:19 PM EDT
I have a small, portable case with a combination lock and spring loaded door that has a bracket I can use to bolt it to the bed frame. At night, I dial the tumblers to the proper combination so that if I just bump it, the door drops open. In the morning (kiddo in the house), I just flip the combo tumblers so that it can't be opened. When I want to go to the range, I just open the case, spin the thumb screws to unbolt it from the bed and off I go. I love this thing.....I'll get you the name of it later if you're interested.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 8:42:38 PM EDT
I like to keep mine out of sight but have easy access to it. That way if someone does come in and I don't hear them I don't have a loaded gun laying out for them.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 11:42:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Camel:
I like to keep mine out of sight but have easy access to it. That way if someone does come in and I don't hear them I don't have a loaded gun laying out for them.



Which is why I have a lock on the bedroom door.... easy to deafeat. But not quietly. (Okay, maybe a locksmith, but not a thug).
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 11:49:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/11/2006 11:51:03 AM EDT by photoman]

Originally Posted By tttony:
seriously... why would you think someone would answer that question?

Originally Posted By philp110:
Soon, I will have my CWP and I am glad my wonderful fiance bought be a Milt Sparks SSII for my carry purposes. However, I am having a dilema that I feel can be helped greatly by those concerned with home defense: what do I do with my gun when I go to sleep? I have considered getting a paddle-style holster and mounting it in a secret place (i.e behind the bed). Any other suggestions? It seems keeping it in a safe could end up taking far too much time in an emergency situation, and since I have no kids I feel I can get away with the risks of having a pistol in a hiding spot of some sort.

Where do you keep your gun when you are sleeping?

Phil




Um cuz the chances of some low life actually reading it here and knowing where this guy lives or where I live are slim to none.

I keep mine right next to the bed leaning against the wall(it's an SBR). Nice and close.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 11:57:29 AM EDT
Little push button safe on nightstand. I have kids. I have praticed opening it many many times in the dark.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 11:58:43 AM EDT
I keep firearms all around the house hidden where kids or other people can't find them, I do this becaue one afternoon after waking up, I went down stairs to get something(eat, drink) or maybe my clothes since I was in my underwear, but these guys were in my house stealing stuff, I was like wtf and they were like wtf(most likely because of a very pale white guy in his underwear) and we both scrambled, I got my 12 gauge, they got the fuck out of there
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 11:59:24 AM EDT
Next to by bed!
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 12:00:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By philp110:
Good point... Hmm, well now I feel really, really dumb. Ok, allow me to rephrase: where is a good place to keep one while not revealing where you keep your own?



Dont feel dumb, tttony is the one who should feel dumb.
Link Posted: 2/13/2006 4:25:48 PM EDT
Kids can and will find anything you hide. Didn't you when you were young? that being said, you would need to teach do's and dont 's of fire arm safty . ( don't EVER touch) with out DAD. or mom , however your house is right now. If you have no kids yet, then the options are open , keep it out of sight from visitors but close and easy to reach. I keep mine in the night stand next to the bed for things that go bump in the night. DARKHORSE
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 8:22:15 AM EDT
I had no idea I would get so many suggestions! Now I know where all of you keep your guns at night! hainsaw.gif HH
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 8:44:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TBoneDetroit:
Headboard usually. But in the past, I had a tanker style holster on the side of my bed (the side away from the door) and used the straps to tuck under the mattress to hold it in place.

Have a look at the Wilderness Safepacker ... it's versatile and can be used as I describe in some cases. Has room for a spare mag and a strap for a flashlight to clip to. Also has an optional shoulder strap to keep the whole kit ready to grab and go if you wish.

Or, mount one of the holsters that didn't wirk as well as you thought it would for carrying, in an accessible spot (head of the bed perhaps?).

Be sure to practice the draw (with an unloaded weapon) until muscle memory will allow you to do it in complete darkness.



I like that thing! Very versatile! Thanks for the tip, TBone.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 2:23:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2006 2:24:31 PM EDT by AGoodDay]
I don't know how you are in the morning, but I'm stupid and do really strange things. I keep my gun where it will be difficult for me to access if I'm not fully concious. I'm worried that I might pull the trigger when I don't want to or mistake a family member for someone else. When I say I do stupid stuff when I just woke up, I mean it. I once crawled off the edge of a bunkbed with a rail on the side. I also once crawled off the edge of another bunkbed, fell 6 feet, and went to sleep on the floor after I landed because I didn't feel like making the effort of crawling back into bed.

For me, it would be more dangerous to keep the gun in easy reach than to keep it away from the bed.

That said, I have had someone trying to get in my house. I was very quickly fully concious and alert when I realized what was going on. I was 16 years old at the time, and the sound of a lever action rifle racking seemed to stop the rattling doorknob for some reason.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 2:39:25 PM EDT
I don't have kids nor do they enter my houses except on rare occasions. I a pistol on my or within arms reach 24/7. IWB until bedtime them on top of the nightstand. Wife has a .357 in her nightstand top drawer. I also keep a M4 with a 30 rounder cocked and locked next to the head board.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 5:15:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2006 5:15:47 PM EDT by WMHM4]
no kids so the hd gun just stays out but when I go to bed it goes under the matrice in my milt sparks W6 with the butt end hanging out
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:03:04 PM EDT
I trade my .45 in for a 12 gauge at night.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 10:35:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BookHound:

Originally Posted By joker581:

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By joker581:
I keep mine on a shelf. I've got a 12-guage for solving problems in the house.



Hell yeah! Shotgun for Home Defense is Good SOLID Thinking!

Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?




He is being sarcastic.

Check out the ammo oracle and other resources. A shotty is actually a very poor choice for home defense.



I don't care what anyone else says. There is nothing better than a reliable shotgun to stop a bg.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 10:45:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2006 10:51:57 PM EDT by Sawed-off]
In my safe. I have 3 kids. When I was a kid I found my uncles gun and almost shot it off in his house. Another time I found a .380 Colt I aimed it at the guys cat on his water bed in an apartment, but then check to see if it was loaded. Yep!
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 1:50:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:
I don't care what anyone else says. There is nothing better than a reliable shotgun to stop a bg.



I would imagine that would make it very difficult to learn anything...

Oh well, to each his own.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:14:58 PM EDT
My Glock never leaves the area I am in. It's either on top of the PC desk, under the mattress, or on me.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 4:46:19 PM EDT
I carry when I'm awake in my apartment. When it's bedtime, the pistol goes back in the safe with the other pistols. All rifles are locked in a case.

I won't leave guns lying around in my place because if someone breaks in when I'm not here, they just got free firearms.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 11:11:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:
I don't care what anyone else says. There is nothing better than a reliable shotgun to stop a bg.



I would imagine that would make it very difficult to learn anything...

Oh well, to each his own.



Imagine that, someone who can think for themselves. I know it's a foreign concept.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:20:55 AM EDT
On my bed side table, no kids to worry about.....
A gun needs to be close to hand and ready to go, other wise its no use, it may as well be a billy club in the garden shed!hinking.gif
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 6:16:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 6:17:15 AM EDT by HardShell]

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:
I don't care what anyone else says. There is nothing better than a reliable shotgun to stop a bg.



I would imagine that would make it very difficult to learn anything...

Oh well, to each his own.



Imagine that, someone who can think for themselves. I know it's a foreign concept.



Not what I meant at all, and you know it.

Your broad, sweeping blanket-statement above indicates closed-minded bias more than "free thinking." No matter how much you (or I) know or think you know, there are others who know more. I am quite knowledgeable, but the most important piece of information I know IMHO is that I don't know it all. I seek out those who know more than I and strive to learn from them. For years, I thought (as you do) that a shotgun was the best HD choice for me. With proper training, I have learned that that was not and is not the case (again, for me - maybe not for you).

If there truly is nothing else that you can or need to learn, then my sincere apologies... "I don't care what anyone else says." may indeed be an appropriate attitude for you.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:49:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 9:14:25 AM EDT by ChickenKiller]
I keep a Glock on my nightstand, one in my wife's nightstand, flash lights by both night stands, 12 guage by my bed, an AR15 under my bed, and a ruger 10-22 with 30 roung mag and red dot scope in my bedroom closet along with a million candle power spot light. (coyote gun)

If I hear something I grab a light and the 12 guage. I am well trained with the 12 guage and I know its boundaries. I personally choose it as my primary indoor treat for a BG. I keep it loaded with 1 1/4 oz #4 shot. I know it may sound crazy, but I don't want to over penetrate the walls and hit my kid or wife, but the #4 is still pretty rough on things. I have a lot of tactial training with a shotgun, and have done many entries with shotguns so I am very comfortable with using it during stressfull situations.

I don't need any ridicule or nit picking about my choice of the shotgun/#4 shot either. If you want to use a rabbied farrot for home protection, it's your home, I won't critize you.

One thing that was stated that I do agree with: Too many people think all you have to do with a shotgun is point in the general direction and touch it off........WRONG. A lot of people don't know anything about how well their shotgun patterns in close quaters.

Another mistake people make is not being able to quickly fire the shotgun mutiple times, due to the recoil. This is a lack of pratice. I see officers on the range shoot and pull the pump back 1/2 way then not get it closed all the way for the second shot due to the recoil. (These are people with training.) How much training will average homeowners spend doing this?

Anything can be good, just pratice with it.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 9:11:57 AM EDT
I have a Mini 14 next to the bed with 2 30rnd clips. My wife has an SA 1911 .45 next to her bed on the nightstand. We have a gun in all of the rooms except the bathroom...which I may have to look into fixing that. You never know...hippie.gif
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:52:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By philp110:

I am a newbie to shotguns - can someone explain why a shotgun is a bad choice? From my own logic, I am thinking: a) good close quarters weapon. b) pumpshotguns make a sweet noise when racking it that would certainly make me leave if i were a criminal. c) correct me if i am wrong, but it would seem a bullet from a .45 is going to go through a lot more walls and potentially cause more damage than shot which might stop much quicker.
Like I said - a newbie to shotguns, I have NO IDEA what I am talking about. Just rambling.




Philp110, for what it's worth, I use a shotgun too, but most people here prefer AR's because of tests that indicate pistol and slug rounds penetrate more than 556 does, and that birdshot is not an effective stopper. that's what the experts say, anyway
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 12:43:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2006 12:46:07 AM EDT by Magurgle]

Originally Posted By ChickenKiller:


One thing that was stated that I do agree with: Too many people think all you have to do with a shotgun is point in the general direction and touch it off........WRONG. A lot of people don't know anything about how well their shotgun patterns in close quaters.

Another mistake people make is not being able to quickly fire the shotgun mutiple times, due to the recoil. This is a lack of pratice. I see officers on the range shoot and pull the pump back 1/2 way then not get it closed all the way for the second shot due to the recoil. (These are people with training.) How much training will average homeowners spend doing this?

Anything can be good, just pratice with it.



I use a 12g also, I don't have any training but I am a BIG man, 6'5" 320lbs (think World's Strongest Man, a little less muscle and a little more gut)and I work physical jobs. I can handle a 12g better than anyone I have seen. I have practiced shooting while moving, from behind cover, and from corners and doors. If anyone comes into my place they are gonna get 8 2 3/4" 00 buck loads before having to fight a guy most likely twice their size.

Also the "rack the slide to scare them" bs.... why would you want to make more noise than you had to?


EDIT: Because I am awesome at spellology
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 6:25:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2006 6:32:22 AM EDT by HardShell]

Originally Posted By Greenfeet:
Philp110, for what it's worth, I use a shotgun too, but most people here prefer AR's because of tests that indicate pistol and slug rounds penetrate more than 556 does, and that birdshot is not an effective stopper. that's what the experts say, anyway



FWIW, in my case it had more to do with rapid, accurate engagement of multiple targets (I am "good" with my shotguns but, no matter how much I practice, there is no way I can accurately shoot multiple targets as fast with a shotty as I can with a carbine - YMMV); fast, accurate follow-up shots; magazine capacity; reload time & ease; and other initrinsic issues long before I was even aware of the disparities in drywall penetration. I doubt I am alone here in this.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 6:51:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2006 11:20:32 AM EDT by VBC]
I prefer a 12 gauge shotgun over AR for close range work.

Specifically, a Remington 1100 12 gauge with extended magazine tube, 20" bbl, loaded with 3" magnum 000 buckshot.

That's just because I grew up shooting shotgun and that's what I'm good at. Plus it's pretty damn devastating. One shot is like getting hit with a 10 round burst from a 9mm submachine gun.

My only experience with the AR is taking it to the range and popping paper targets. Done a lot of hunting with the shotgun and I know what I can do with it.

I say go with what you know.
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