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Posted: 10/30/2002 3:27:16 PM EDT
I am turning 21 in a little over a month and will getting my permit soon!

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<­img src=/images/smilies/anim_uzi.gif border=0 align=middle>

Thinking about getting a SP101 or A Bersa...
I would get a SIg p239 but I just don't think I'll have that kinda money
-Chuck
Link Posted: 10/30/2002 3:30:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/30/2002 5:03:10 PM EDT by Green_Furniture]
Link Posted: 10/30/2002 3:30:56 PM EDT
Beretta 8000

Yea, I need to get something smaller.
Link Posted: 10/30/2002 3:38:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/30/2002 3:54:01 PM EDT
USP45F in a Galco SST shoulder rig or IWB holster that I make along with a G27 in an Dillon SOB or Galco ankle rig. I sometimes alternate with a USP45C in place of the full sized. Sometimes I carry a 3" Model 29 44 mag with the baby Glock. There is no replacement for displacement. Shoot big. I hide this under a Hawaiian shirt left open. Yes, I look like a dirtbag, but I'm well armed.

Thinking of a winter rig with my 14.5 m4gery and remove the stock and a web type suspension system.
Link Posted: 10/30/2002 3:58:39 PM EDT
Kimer Ultra CDP


what ever you choose make sure you are willing to bet your life on it!
Link Posted: 10/30/2002 4:08:42 PM EDT
HK USP compact .45acp. Yup, I know it's contradictory to my user name, but what the hell, it's a free country!!!
Link Posted: 10/30/2002 4:10:37 PM EDT
Depends .

Sometimes a Walther PP in 380.
Sometimes a Sig P-220.

If you are going to get a weapon, save your money and get a Sig 239 in 40 S&W.

It IS one of the BEST CCW weapons available.

Link Posted: 10/30/2002 4:18:49 PM EDT
Dress attire: Glock 27
Casual attire: Para-Ordnance P14-45
Outdoors: Desert Eagle .50AE
Hunting: Ruger Super-Blackhawk .44MAG
On road: Para-Ordnance P10-45
Nightstand: Colt Gold-Cup
Link Posted: 10/30/2002 5:29:10 PM EDT
You can't go wrong with a P239! Great little piece, which I carried when I was doing executive protection in Chicago. Unfortunately, a St. Louis County ordinance prohibits me from carrying anything other than a 4" 38SPL revolver when on duty, and does not provide for any carry off duty.

FORTUNATELY, I am now being paid to go shooting every week, as the firearms instructor for Pinkerton in St. Louis. Now, if only I was instructing the Swedish Bikini Team...
Link Posted: 10/30/2002 6:34:26 PM EDT
Most often I carry the SiG 230 but the Bersa Thunder would be a great choice too. I also carry my EG Mak on occassion and even my S&W M-19 pretty regularly. Almost any handgun can be concealed. The biggest secret is to get good belts designed for holsters. Even the best, most expensive holster will be uncomfortable with only a dress belt.

A S&W or Ruger with up to a 4" barrel will do nice too.
Link Posted: 10/30/2002 6:45:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
Dress attire: Glock 27
Casual attire: Para-Ordnance P14-45
Outdoors: Desert Eagle .50AE
Hunting: Ruger Super-Blackhawk .44MAG
On road: Para-Ordnance P10-45
Nightstand: Colt Gold-Cup



Man, I gotta move to AZ!
Link Posted: 11/1/2002 3:33:30 PM EDT
I love the p239 but I am not going to get it in .40...
I had a .40 glock blow up on me in the range one time. Plus seen a few others. I know the cause was improperly loaded ammo.
but It happens in .40's more often than others...
I mean heck you are puting the same PSI in a handgun as you are in a 30-30win Rifle. That's nuts!

Whatever I get will definately be 9mm or .45acp
-Chuck
Possibly SP101 in .357mag.
By the way Glock Did fix the gun for free...
Pulled it out hunting this morning but I had to double check that it wasn't a spike (Quality Buck Rules)and I decided to set it down for my rifle, Then they spooked . Dumb-butt move on my part.
only 15 yards away but thick brush...


Link Posted: 11/2/2002 8:59:36 PM EDT
Kimber UEC II

When cold, the UEC II goes to a 'pager pal' and the Kimber SS Custom goes sholder mount.
Link Posted: 11/2/2002 9:03:05 PM EDT
something in a officers 1911A1.
Link Posted: 11/10/2002 2:50:25 PM EDT

Concealed: G19/9mm

On the Road: G32/357SIG

At Home: AK&AR (not concealed of course)

Permanently Concealed in Crotch Area: Barrett 82A1 (Yeah right, I Wish)

Yes, the Glocks are mid-size and probably not the best to conceal but I'm a big guy and I wear big clothes, so concealment is not an issue.

G19 because it's common, and easy to find good ammo, besides, it's my first. G32 on the road, for the extra penetration I may one day need for metal and glass.
Link Posted: 11/10/2002 2:53:52 PM EDT
1911a1 commander model carried in my thunderwear.
Link Posted: 11/10/2002 2:57:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2003 7:20:09 AM EDT by SGB]
Link Posted: 11/10/2002 10:19:19 PM EDT
I carry a Kahr K9 in a Rosen Workman in warm weather and a S&W Model 457 in the cold using a Milt Sparks Mirage Belt Slide. I am waiting for an Alessi holster for the 457. Regards, Richard
Link Posted: 11/11/2002 5:03:33 PM EDT
simple little gun on my hip, I allways have to have a jacket on at work by company rules so this works for me, and the big dog is a


Colt Governmnet model 45 acp (of course)
in stainless steal
with wolf springs
Ashley express sights
stock 8 round mag, plus one up the pipe
loaded with Federal Hydra-SHocks ( if they are good enough for the Sherif dept. then they are good enough for me;):
Link Posted: 11/11/2002 5:22:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CHUCK6419:
I am turning 21 in a little over a month and will getting my permit soon!

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<­a target="_blank" href="hinking">hinkingI would get a SIg p239 but I just don't think I'll have that kinda money
-Chuck



Chuck:

if you get the sp101, i would highly advise getting the spurless model, the hammer is horrible for catching on clothes when trying to draw, and depending on the various ways you carry, it's safer not having the chance of it getting cocked somehow
Link Posted: 11/11/2002 5:23:53 PM EDT
also, i wouldn't pay more than 352 for the sp101, a friend of mine just bought one, and that was the price... so really, any more than 375 and you know the dealer is charging too much
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 6:22:21 PM EDT
Hey CHUCK6419, we must be very similar in age. I turn 21 on dec. 6 and am trying to figure out what I should buy. We won't have shall-issue by then here in minnesota, but because of our new governor and state legislatures I am confident it will go through some time next year.

Guess it doesn't matter--I have no money right now anyway. I want a mil-spec 1911, but I think that might be difficult for concealed carry....

Good luck to you
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 7:12:34 PM EDT
Taurus M617 7 shot 357. revolver
Titanium, light and comfy. Smoothed over a bit by my gunsmith to make sure it works just right for me.
with the correct outfit it fits me all seasons except for the hottest summer days.
Use a 2 shot derringer for those really hot days where the outfit is minimal.
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 7:22:31 PM EDT
On weekends, when I can manage a belt holster under a loose polo shirt, I carry a Glock 27. On work days, when I dress business casual and often have to leave my carry gun in my car, I pack a Kahr MK40 in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster.

These two options work exceptionally well for me. I never feel undergunned, yet the convenience is there such that I really do carry almost everywhere. I always have to raise an eyebrow when I see people claiming they carry a 1911... I suspect that either they go unarmed a lot or they have an unusually casual lifestyle (rancher, eccentric millionaire etc.).

I don't bother with spare ammo... too much hassle to carry.
Link Posted: 11/14/2002 4:30:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/14/2002 4:31:20 AM EDT by ct602]
Colt defender or a Glock 30. The 45 ACP is a great
round for sd.
Link Posted: 11/15/2002 8:24:14 PM EDT
Kahr K9 9mm in a CompTac Kydex IWB holster.
KelTec P32 .32ACP in my back pocket or an Uncle Mike's left handed IWB holster.
Sometimes a Smith & Wesson Model 13 .357Mag in a Bucheimer belt slide w/thumbreak.

Rather than the Bersa, you might want to look at the KelTec P-11 9mm or P-40 .40SW. Locally they cost about $245.00 and hold 10+1 rounds of 9mm or 9+1 rounds of .40.
Link Posted: 11/15/2002 8:30:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kpel308:
Unfortunately, a St. Louis County ordinance prohibits me from carrying anything other than a 4" 38SPL revolver when on duty, and does not provide for any carry off duty.



Could you tell us again why you work there?
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 4:55:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CHUCK6419:
I am turning 21 in a little over a month and will getting my permit soon!

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<­a target="_blank" href="hinking">hinkingI would get a SIg p239 but I just don't think I'll have that kinda money
-Chuck



Chuck, I would strongly suggest a Tauras model 85 .38+P, over the SP 101, price wise the SP 101 will run you about 400$, where is the model 85 will only set you back 275-300$. Not only that but it is also rated for +P. Dont bother even looking at the Bersa, its a waist of money, big time. If you are looking for a cheap auto, look towards a Kel-tec or Tuarus Millenium 9mm. PT 111. You can pick one of those up for about 400$.
As for my carry choice, you cant go wrong with a Glock 19 9mm and the Glock 26 on the ankle. But as for revolvers, always remember this, a .38 in the pocket beats a .45 left at home everyday of the week.
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 6:31:40 PM EDT
Chuck,

Hit the Range and do alot of shooting with different firearms. Carry the one you feel more comfortable with (In hand, on body, etc...)

As for me a Glock 29 10mm ;-) is my friend around town.

Best of Luck with your choice,

Projectile
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 7:00:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ranger_Joe:
Chuck, I would strongly suggest a Tauras model 85 .38+P, over the SP 101, price wise the SP 101 will run you about 400$, where is the model 85 will only set you back 275-300$. Not only that but it is also rated for +P. Dont bother even looking at the Bersa, its a waist of money, big time. If you are looking for a cheap auto, look towards a Kel-tec or Tuarus Millenium 9mm. PT 111. You can pick one of those up for about 400$.
As for my carry choice, you cant go wrong with a Glock 19 9mm and the Glock 26 on the ankle. But as for revolvers, always remember this, a .38 in the pocket beats a .45 left at home everyday of the week.



dude, you are paying too much for guns, my friend just bought a new sp101 (spurless) for $352, and seeing that it's chambered for .357 mag, you hardly have to care about being rated for +P, the taurus model 85 can't compare in quality, i use to have one, never again, locked up on me after 400 rounds, cleaned it up, 30 rounds later same thing, clean-30 rounds-same thing, that is unacceptable on a self-defense revolver, or any revolver for that matter. the difference in price of a ruger over a taurus is WELL WORTH IT to me. a kel-tec or taurus millenium for 400 dollars???? the kel-tec is 260 and the millenium is 349. i do like the glock suggestion, they are hard to beat, but in my opinion should only be carried by experienced handgun users seeing that there's no external safety and light trigger pull.
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 7:01:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Projectile:
Chuck,

Hit the Range and do alot of shooting with different firearms. Carry the one you feel more comfortable with (In hand, on body, etc...)

As for me a Glock 29 10mm ;-) is my friend around town.

Best of Luck with your choice,

Projectile



how's the recoil on that bad-boy, i've never shot that caliber
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 6:53:28 AM EDT
I am currently going through a conundrum(?) about which carries best.

1st choice: Kimber Compact CDPII (4" officers), wilson 7 round mag, in a Mitch Rosen IWB Slimline. It's somewhat light and easy to carry all day, but I know it's there. I tends to print on light shirts.

2ed choice: Springfield Micro Compact 3", in Mitch Rosen IWB Slimline. Very easy to carry, light, but 6+1.

3rd choice: S&W 642 .38 +P+, J frame in Kramer IWB. This can go anywhere, even under a t shirt - it carries extremely easy.

I also have G23 and a P229 for carry, but I feel these do not conceal well or are comfortable enough for EDC.

I like the 4" 1911 best as a trade between firepower and conceivability with the balance going toward concealabilty.

Link Posted: 11/19/2002 4:19:14 PM EDT
Recoil is very managable. I carry either 155gr or 180gr sometimes a Mag of each... :-) Booth are as managable as a 357sig, 40cal, & 45acp. With FBI spec lite loads it handles like a 9mm. But remember practice makes perfect.

It is such a versitile cal. that you can shoot anything from subsonic to hot and wild 1400fps 135gr bullets. You choose 135gr to 200gr. Compare ballistics with the 180gr 10mm Hornady XTP putting out 1230fps and 604lbs Energy to the 9mm, 40Cal, and 45ACP loads (10mm Rules)

Robarguns @ www.Robarguns.com will take a Glock 29 and do all kind of neat things to it for carry, including narrowing the grip for smaller hands and overall carry. I will be sending my G29 to them as soon as I clean my Glock 20 to carry in the mean time.

Projectile
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 7:13:35 PM EDT
Most often a Kahr K9, sometimes my Sig P239 or P229. Occasionally my P220 or my old P226, not very often with these two anymore.
Yesterday I went and did a little deer scouting and carried my S&W M696 .44 Special.
All of which I carry concealed, btw. It's a matter of good holsters and belts.
Link Posted: 11/20/2002 11:20:54 AM EDT
Projectile:

that is some impressive performance to be sure

i must admit i have largely ignored the caliber b/c of it's non-popularity...

what is your opinion as to its lack of success mainstream?
Link Posted: 11/20/2002 11:35:27 AM EDT
Daily : P7M10 .40s/w
Daily Backup or light clothing : S&W 340 Scandium .357 mag.

Long trip : P7M13 w/4 extra mags
Heavy concealment : P7M8

P7's rock my world. The USP Tactical comes out on the days when I feel like I need a .45.

HK P7 - Just squeeze through your problems.

Doc
Link Posted: 11/20/2002 7:47:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2002 7:48:26 PM EDT by Scollins]
Glock 23 is with me 24/7. I carry at home, even when I probably won't leave the house.

For various seasons and occassions, I use different holsters:
All summer: Comp-Tac shirt Tucker. Conceals exceptionally well with a pair of shorts and a polo shirt

Dressy occasion: Comp-Tac again.

Cold Weather: Kramer IWB or Galco Paddle. Unless I'm going some place where I will look out of place by not removing my jacket. Then, I use the Comp-Tac. Sometimes, I'll use the paddle, as it is easily removed and stashed.

Oh yeah, I always have an AR-15 with 3 - 30 round mags in the truck......

Other items I carry are: An Emerson CQC7 knife and a Surefire E2E-HA light.....


Been thinking of a back up gun lately. Considering a G27 or Kahr PM9 in an ankle holster..........
Link Posted: 11/20/2002 9:02:05 PM EDT
Armed-to:

It's popular in many circles, and it looks like it is making a come back. The FBI still uses it; Police & Marshals use it, very popular abroad (Witness has new firearms chambered in 10mm), and don't forget our friends at Glock G20, G20C, and G29. Some of the trade rags bring it up occasionally, a Recent article in "Hand Guns" rates the Glock 29 as one of the 3 top guns for serious CCW stopping power. I scratch my head regularly, wondering what the heck is going on… I see the market running around trying to release new calibers that match the Ballistics of the .357Mag & 10mm. Case in point Corbon with the 400 Corbon (necked down 45 holding a 10mm Bullet), Sig with the .357sig and a whole bunch more. While the Sig is positioning itself against the 9mm, .357mag, & .40 and holding it’s own (I like it too) the .400 Corbon is dead in the water.

Most of the 10mm people I know will tell you that S&W's marketing and the FBI’s move to .40 which as you know is just a shortened 10mm, had a lot to do with it. But personally I believe the .45acp-biased reviewers played a bigger role in keeping it down.

10mm is now being used for hunting, and more folks are going back to it for its versatility. All I can say is don’t believe the hype: Check it out for yourself.
I did; some friends took me to a place where we could shoot, and we took out an political incorrect quantity of weapons, all in different chambering: 4 SIGS, 4 Smith, 5 Different 1911 style .45 acp’s, 4 Glock, 2 Ruger, 2 Desert Eagles 44 & 50AE, and a bunch of rifles. We grabbed some empty one-gallon jugs filled them up with various liquids, sand, oil, Gel, etc… and went to town with different loads and bullet weights. We were having fun, but we were also trying to find out what to carry and TRUST, especially commercial rounds. ((Corbons really send stuff flying and I mean Flying J )) That’s when I became a bigger fan of the 10mm.

Projectile
Link Posted: 11/21/2002 10:30:22 AM EDT
there's only 2 things that make me shy away from the 10mm: the price and lack of selection of ammo compared to 9, .45 and b/c i like as much diameter as possible, perhaps that's foolish. the potential extra recoil doesn't bother me, i can get used to any pistol and shoot well w/ it [heck, i'm the only one who likes shooting my 11 ounce 9mm (P11)]

i mean w/ +P 185 gr hollow points in .45... diameter may make the difference, am i wrong?
Link Posted: 11/21/2002 11:09:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
Dress attire: Glock 27
Casual attire: Para-Ordnance P14-45
Outdoors: Desert Eagle .50AE
Hunting: Ruger Super-Blackhawk .44MAG
On road: Para-Ordnance P10-45
Nightstand: Colt Gold-Cup




For all other things...There's Blaster Card
Link Posted: 11/21/2002 3:24:39 PM EDT
Armed:
The price of the 10mm is still below the G30 and others... Your right about the ammo, Federal, Corbon, CCI, Hornady, & Proloads are the only ones offering various loads... Still thats not bad 10mm variety.
By the way I reload my own... :-)

I think .45ACP Diameter is awsome and in +P 185 is a force to be recond with, but why have to go +P and put all that wear and tear on your weapon when +P ballistics are available on standard load 10mm :-)

Projectile
Link Posted: 11/21/2002 3:27:52 PM EDT
you have effectively persuaded me to give the 10mm some more thought... i'm thinking of getting another glock within the next year or so... i use to have a G23, but the compact doesn't fit my hand well

hmmmmmmmmmmm
Link Posted: 11/21/2002 7:52:49 PM EDT
Armed: Heh
By the way a good FFL / Dealer should be selling you a Glock 29 between $480 - $520 !

-- Got to get back to watching Bond!! on TNN

Projectile
Link Posted: 11/23/2002 3:46:38 PM EDT
I AM A SINGLE STACK 1911 MAN. I CARRY THE SS WILSON PROTECTOR WITH RAPID RESPONSE STRONG SIDE HOLSTER 4 FULL D47 MAGS IN TWO DOUBLE POUCHES WITH SIX FULL MAGS IN MY POCKETS. IF A THREAT REQUIRES DF I WANT TO WIN. THE 1911 IS JUST A BACKUP UNTIL I GET MY HANDS ON A RIFLE. THE THREATS OR MINE. I THINK IN THE YELLOW ZONE, ONLY DEAD FROM THE NECK UP BLEEDING HEARTS STAY IN THE WHITE ZONE AND WAIT FOR SOME ON TO SAVE THEIR BUTTS.
THIS MAY SOUND PARANOID. NOT AT ALL....
MY FAMILY AND I REFUSE TO BE VICTIMS.............. LATER
Link Posted: 11/23/2002 3:54:05 PM EDT
Lets see , I usually carry one of these

S&W SW99 40Cal -> Corbon 165gr
AutoOrdnance 1911A1 -> Speer GoldDot 45ACP 200 Gr +P GDHP
CZ75B -> Winchester SXT 9MM 127gr +P+
Link Posted: 11/23/2002 4:37:00 PM EDT
HK USP .40 Compact.
Link Posted: 11/24/2002 12:13:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunbert:
HK USP .40 Compact.



hey can you tell me why the full-size USP has a trigger guard that slants upward? this design makes no sense to me

i noticed they didn't do that w/ the compact
Link Posted: 11/24/2002 1:44:07 PM EDT
21 and carrying???? Shoo, scares the shit out of me. At 21, I still didn't know shit but hey I don't now either.........

Only place in GA I would carry is Atlanta and if you must..............

Snub 38 is my recommendation.

There are two reasons to pull a gun and they are to intimidate and then if necessary to exterminate. Small frame auto's regardless of the quality or caliber, do not intimidate due to the excess use of .25 and .32 Saturday night specials by the gangs. The .38 intimidates quite well and will take a would be assailent down hard. Personally I go from hide gun to full frame with no inbetween. If you have the permit, let them see the bulge and get a realy auto. Otherwise, get an intimidating revolver handgun for a good hide.
Link Posted: 11/24/2002 2:19:17 PM EDT
Generally: SA TRP Pro
When I'm going to get dirty: Glock 22
When something small is required: SW 442
Link Posted: 11/24/2002 2:36:11 PM EDT
Whatever I currently own. Keep in mind I'm an eccentric collector, but my two favourit carry pieces have alwasy been the T-47 Shansei Mauser Broomhandel in 9mm in a shoulder rig with a pair of 20rnd clips in the belt pouch, or the old double-stack commercial Makarov I used to own. Mags are cheap around here and it always shot very true.

Right now its a 1951 dated Norinco Type 54-1 Tokarev with a modified thumb-safety, 3/4" extended threaded match barrel in 9mm, with a match-grade rear sight scavanged from a Norinco 1911 race-gun I used to own. Magazine load- two in the pocket, one in the gun, glasier rounds. It may not be a high-cap, but the gun is light, handy, and accurate. I view it essentually as a 3/4ths size 1911. And you cant beat the Chinese 7.62x25 AP loads for use against Kevlar bearing thugs. I carry the spare barrel and a fourth mag full of that stuff in a pouch on my shoulder rig.

But just remember, my first CC gun was a 1908 Steyr-Roth Cavalry pistol, the first auto-pistol adopted for service by a large power. Its both massive and underpowered. And boy did it get looks on the range.

So I'm weird. So what?

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