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Posted: 12/13/2005 5:52:19 PM EDT
I'm new to this forum, and it's really a class act. I was a bit stunned at the number of questions about when & where you can carry, when to use deadly force, etc. I wonder if most of the CCW classes are the same. As for what my class outline is and has to be approved by the NC Dept of Justice is:
1:NRA Basic pistol class, with test and 85% grade to pass. This is the full hands on class to learn the operation of all types of handguns. This takes 4 hours.
2: Use of Deadly force: 2hour video from the state reinacting scenarios of when you can or cannot use deadly force (legally). FULL STUDY OF ALL RULES OF THE STATE AS TO WHEN AND WHERE YOU CAN AND CANNOT CARRY.
3:Hands on training of carrying concealed options, holsters, purses, fanny packs, etc. Hazards of carry, and walk through of the live course of fire. Written Test 85% to pass
4: live range time, 40 rounds from each student, ONE ONLY, NO GROUP FIRE. fire from concealment at sillohette targets. 80% TO PASS.
5: grading, diplomas, and full discussion of any or all aspects of the class, UNTIL ALL STUDENTS ARE HAPPY WITH THE ENTIRE PROCESS.

Each test is reviewed question by question. If anyone fails any part they have the option to retake the test.
ANYONE breaking a safety rule on the live fire range WILL BE ESCORTED from the range.

ok folks, thats 11 to 12 hours with only 10 students. I'm sure I have left out a fewe things we went over. I just wander if all courses are doing the full testing. I do know the state cracked down recently, stating that the course MUST cover 10 hours limited.

It would be nice to hear what other areas require in their testing.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 6:21:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 6:26:15 PM EDT by SGB]
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 6:22:53 PM EDT
Indiana doesn't even require that...

But, I do teach CCW classes and we go over all the stuff you noted above.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 6:26:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 6:28:17 PM EDT by VBC]
In VA you can get it with any recognized proof of gun training. I got my CCW with a NRA hunter safety certificate from a course I took when I was 12.

So I had to learn all the carry laws myself. Which is like any other set of laws. It's your responsibility to know them.





Link Posted: 12/13/2005 6:43:01 PM EDT
it was a joke here in TN. we had 8 hours of class were the instructor all but gave us the answers to the written test. feild time was a group shoot, so no special attention was given to anybody. and some of the people there really needed it. it was scary.........
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 6:45:14 PM EDT
I had cleaned my gun the night before and left alittle to much oil on the slide and in front of the whole class he freaks out and says "god damn boy whats with all the oil on that gun!! no wonder our oil prices are so damn high!!!!"

I wanted to kick him in the nuts.................
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 6:49:16 PM EDT
Here in Arkansas, we got to take turns beating down a foreigner.

He had shackles on his ankles which were tied to a flag pole.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 8:42:17 PM EDT
Virginia here as well. My "proof of competency" was my military marksmanship record with an M-9. I have spent a lot of time trying to learn and interpret the laws.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 8:52:30 PM EDT
MN was a joke also. Why do people show up to these classes with a gun they never fired before or a unreliable POS?
6-8 hours classroom and some range practice and finally the range test
I'm looking for more advanced classes in my area
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 9:19:35 PM EDT
I thought the class here in SC was very good. We spent four hours preparing for a 50 question test then we fired 50 rounds at a paper that was about 2' x 3'. IIRC we fired 5 rounds at the paper at 5' then 5 more rounds at 10' then 5 more at 15' then the rest at 20'. I think we had to hit the paper 35 times, but everyone besides me hit it 49 or 50 times. I was shooting a Kel-Tec P-32 so while I hit it each time the pistol fired, for safety reasons the instructor wouldn't let me reload rounds that fell on the ground after clearing a jam. That was the second CCW class I had. In the first the slide on the Kel-Tec went downrange while shooting, and I got kicked-out of the class.

There was a wide variety of people in the class, and I felt very comfortable being around any of them carrying after the class. Of course out of the nine I kept in contact with after the class, as of the last I heard not a one of us has been granted a permit. The class was a waste of money and an entire Saturday for us.z
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 10:39:17 PM EDT
CCW Class?
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 10:50:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 10:51:09 PM EDT by chrome1]
NY state requires an NRA or equivalent handgun safety
course and money . In most counties , once you have it
It's good for life ..... So Far
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 7:48:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2005 7:49:03 AM EDT by VBC]
I think if you have to go through some kind of evaluation (i.e. pass a course or a test) to conceal carry a gun, then it's not "really" a shall issue state. Because they deny you if you don't pass the course.

Of course, they do that with driving too. But since driving was not around back when our founding fathers thought up the Constitution, it's not a right, but a "priviledge."

However, since gun ownership was around back then it's a right. Bearing a gun is a right and shall not be infringed through having to get "permission" from your state to carry through having to be able to pass a course.

Link Posted: 12/14/2005 9:00:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By joker581:
CCW Class?



+1

What is this CCW class of which you speak?
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 9:21:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By muttonhead:
it was a joke here in TN. we had 8 hours of class were the instructor all but gave us the answers to the written test. feild time was a group shoot, so no special attention was given to anybody. and some of the people there really needed it. it was scary.........



I shot a Bersa .380 in my qualifier and the guy 2 lanes down had a .22

When we got done there were 2 .22 holes in my target.

We also got videos on when and where not to carry and when to use force and what not. Its pretty simple in TN. "Is my life in danger?" If Yes, shoot, if no, dont shoot.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 12:19:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Waldo0506:

Originally Posted By muttonhead:
it was a joke here in TN. we had 8 hours of class were the instructor all but gave us the answers to the written test. feild time was a group shoot, so no special attention was given to anybody. and some of the people there really needed it. it was scary.........



I shot a Bersa .380 in my qualifier and the guy 2 lanes down had a .22

When we got done there were 2 .22 holes in my target.

We also got videos on when and where not to carry and when to use force and what not. Its pretty simple in TN. "Is my life in danger?" If Yes, shoot, if no, dont shoot.



that is classic(lmao)
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 1:52:31 PM EDT
PA is a "shall issue" state which means you had to screw up pretty bad in your past to be turned down. There is a background check, a simple application, but no ccw class.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 1:58:39 PM EDT
They make you take a class to get your CCW?


Link Posted: 12/14/2005 2:09:44 PM EDT
Good info folks. I forgot to mention that after you pass my class, you have to go get fingerprinted, fill out personal info, give them $90 non refundable, and wait 90 days while the local sherrif, the State Bureau of Investigation, and the FBI background checks you.

Get this, maybe it should be a new topic. There is NO warning when your CCW is ready to expire.

If you forget and don't RE APPLY before your CCW expires , you have to take the test again(as in going through all of the above AGAIN! That means paying for another class.

Also, you need to re apply 90 days before your CCW expires, so your new license arrives before the old one expires.

You think NC is a bit strict? The only reward we get for all this time and money is not having to buy hangun permits, and you also can buy a long gun on the spot.

SIGH. and we don't even get the credit for the crime rate dropping like a rock in EVERY state that has CCW.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 2:22:03 PM EDT
We had a few hours of class time with two instructors. One was a cop, the other a lawyer. We went over OK's laws about when where how, etc. Got to play Q&A with those guys about senarios, etc... then we shot 50 rounds. Some was at 3-5 yards. The rest at 7-10 yards on the B-40 target. It was a group shoot. The RO's did help out folks who were having troubles with their firearms. We did have some that hadn't ever shot before.

We also had this guy with a beat to death drop leg holster with matching Taurus Berretta 92 clone. This was my first run in with the Tacticle Ted, Special Forces Ninja type. I'd read about them on these boards, but had never encountered one in the wild. As we were watching the first group shoot, he was critiquing their shooting. After looking at the best shooter on that first string, he announced "I'd like to have that guy watching my back." in a praising tone. I looked at the guys target and it looked like shotgun pattern. Not what you'd call "one ragged hole." Especially since we weren't timed and it was pretty much slow fire. I was on the second string and Mr SEAL was on the third but we didn't stay around to watch him shoot. I really wanted too but my wife wanted to go.

While I recognize and agree that every law abiding citizen should be allowed to carry without hinderance as stated in the Consitution, I'd prefer, after watching many of those int he class shoot, that they do it far away from me :)
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 6:23:48 PM EDT
While taking the course in MO we had a Tactical Ted as a student. He was NRA blessed to instruct in every firearm and firearm instructor training know to human kind around the world. He literally brought a footlocker full of handguns and ammo to shoot during the range qualification. His bravado did nothing but reinforce the lunatic gun fanatic stereotype. I grew suspicious when he had to think about which handgun and ammo combination would shoot best at each target distance. I casually walked by to check out his target. He couldn’t shoot for shit. I have shotguns that produce better patterns.

Another funny moment was when we went around the class with introductions (the usual name, job, why you are here stuff) and level of firearm experience (this is where we learned how highly Tactical Ted thought of himself). The last guy stated his name and noted that he worked at the post office and had lots of firearm experience. His statement was followed by an awkward 15 to 20 seconds of silence with everyone staring at the ceiling or the floor, until someone finally started to laugh. The entire class finally busted out with laughter.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 8:59:51 AM EDT
Washington doesn't require anything. But then it was one of the first to be shall issue, even before Florida I believe.
Many of the training requirements were created to alleviate some of the fear that people had of dangerous gun-toting wannabe cowboys or whatever.

Virginia just required some sort of safety training. Hunter safety class, military experience, lots of competitave shooting, armed security training, police training, other private instruction. I went way overboard with the paperwork I submitted. DD214, current Guard ID, Armed Security license and training/qual form, plus a class from an NRA certified instructor that went above the minimum requirement. Seemed like a good idea, and I did learn from the class. Learning new things is never bad IMO.
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 5:27:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2005 5:30:01 PM EDT by danpass]
CCW class...$80 (about 3 hrs in my case, the gunshow 'classes' are about 45 min and then just run thru the laws a bit I believe)
Also had to demonstrate proficiency with the firearm (the instructor brought one and I brought ammo and I fired about 10 rounds). Thats it!
Application...$75
Electronic prints..$42
17 days to get permit in hand? Priceless
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 6:59:50 PM EDT
Our CCW class in Ohio was inadequate. It went through NRA book, and read through State's CCW book. Explained a bit about guns, and showed a film which scared you to ever do anything with a gun because you, the innocent party WILL BE ARRESTED, even if let go later once investigated. Being questioned and being arrested are two different things (though they may not feel like it at the moment).

They should have given at least the most common scenarios, in my opinion, and given a book or shown films on what are the best ways to respond. Shoot and don't shoot situations. Etc.

On the other hand my son moved to Indiana at age 18, went to the police station, filled in a little form, paid a few dollars, and in three weeks received his CCW license. No class, nothing. I like that law, but in this day and age when people don't know much about handguns, I think some training or a test is warranted, akin to the DL exam. I would not want him to carry at that tender age, even though he was quite! mature, without some very seriousi and intense training.
Link Posted: 12/17/2005 7:02:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Chaplain:
Our CCW class in Ohio was inadequate. It went through NRA book, and read through State's CCW book. Explained a bit about guns, and showed a film which scared you to ever do anything with a gun because you, the innocent party WILL BE ARRESTED, even if let go later once investigated. Being questioned and being arrested are two different things (though they may not feel like it at the moment).

They should have given at least the most common scenarios, in my opinion, and given a book or shown films on what are the best ways to respond. Shoot and don't shoot situations. Etc.

On the other hand my son moved to Indiana at age 18, went to the police station, filled in a little form, paid a few dollars, and in three weeks received his CCW license. No class, nothing. I like that law, but in this day and age when people don't know much about handguns, I think some training or a test is warranted, akin to the DL exam. I would not want him to carry at that tender age, even though he was quite! mature, without some very seriousi and intense training.

Oh, and one more thing, there was range time in Ohio. It was very easy to pass.

Link Posted: 12/17/2005 7:19:55 PM EDT
$8 to WalGreens for 2 passport style photos
$25 to the Sheriff for fingerprints + local background
$100 to the state bureau of investigation (which also forwards the request to the FBI)
$35 for the class (I was exempt from the shooting portion- .mil w/ M9 qualification)

Class was about 4 hours total. A lawyer talked to us about various implications of CCW. Then he left and the instructor talked to us about general firearm safety, and that's what our 15 question multiple choice test was on.

Really easy.

The other Okie already touched up on the rest.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 3:11:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By geneinnc:
Good info folks. I forgot to mention that after you pass my class, you have to go get fingerprinted, fill out personal info, give them $90 non refundable, and wait 90 days while the local sherrif, the State Bureau of Investigation, and the FBI background checks you.

Get this, maybe it should be a new topic. There is NO warning when your CCW is ready to expire.

If you forget and don't RE APPLY before your CCW expires , you have to take the test again(as in going through all of the above AGAIN! That means paying for another class.

Also, you need to re apply 90 days before your CCW expires, so your new license arrives before the old one expires.

You think NC is a bit strict? The only reward we get for all this time and money is not having to buy hangun permits, and you also can buy a long gun on the spot.

SIGH. and we don't even get the credit for the crime rate dropping like a rock in EVERY state that has CCW.



Uh, I'm looking at my NC Concealed Carry Weapon permit, and it CLEARLY states that it will expire 5 years from when it was issued. Expiration date included.

Not sure I understand your post, friend.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 3:14:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/18/2005 3:16:48 AM EDT by sharps54]
Not to pick nits because I really like the question of what different states require but I think you have misrepresented NC a bit. I have been teaching CCH (as ours is NOT a concealed weapon permit, just handguns) since 1999.


Originally Posted By geneinnc:
1:NRA Basic pistol class, with test and 85% grade to pass. This is the full hands on class to learn the operation of all types of handguns. This takes 4 hours.
I haven't taught a Basic Pistol Class recently but when I took the instructor course it was a 12 hr class that you couldn't divate from, where did the 4 hrs come in?

2: Use of Deadly force: 2hour video from the state reinacting scenarios of when you can or cannot use deadly force (legally). FULL STUDY OF ALL RULES OF THE STATE AS TO WHEN AND WHERE YOU CAN AND CANNOT CARRY.
videos are actually 17 min and 1 hr 30 min, they are actually pretty poor with some mistakes and many omissions to include no discussion at all regarding the open carry laws in this state

ok folks, thats 11 to 12 hours with only 10 students. I'm sure I have left out a fewe things we went over. I just wander if all courses are doing the full testing. I do know the state cracked down recently, stating that the course MUST cover 10 hours limited.
This is required to be a minimum of 8 hrs not 10, as per the topical area section in subchapter 9F-concealed handgun training



Like I say I am not picking on you at all. You are going beyond what the state requires and that is a GOOD thing. If you have a class of new shooters you can easily make this class last two days. With experienced shooters (someone that has been through some training already) you are much closer to 4 hrs or so of instruction, mostly legal with some emphisis on carry holsters, ammo and draw from concealment. One nice thing about NC is that since we are so anal we are recognized by a large number of other states
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 6:37:04 AM EDT

I thought the class here in SC was very good. We spent four hours preparing for a 50 question test then we fired 50 rounds at a paper that was about 2' x 3'. IIRC we fired 5 rounds at the paper at 5' then 5 more rounds at 10' then 5 more at 15' then the rest at 20'. I think we had to hit the paper 35 times, but everyone besides me hit it 49 or 50 times. I was shooting a Kel-Tec P-32 so while I hit it each time the pistol fired, for safety reasons the instructor wouldn't let me reload rounds that fell on the ground after clearing a jam. That was the second CCW class I had. In the first the slide on the Kel-Tec went downrange while shooting, and I got kicked-out of the class.

There was a wide variety of people in the class, and I felt very comfortable being around any of them carrying after the class. Of course out of the nine I kept in contact with after the class, as of the last I heard not a one of us has been granted a permit. The class was a waste of money and an entire Saturday for us.z




Zoom, not sure where you went for yours but I took mine through Midlands Tech. Four hours of class, four hours at the range. All you needed was 70% on the black and you passed the shooting part. Everyone, including the woman who had just bought a S&W model 65 LadySmith and never shot it before, passed. Personally I would have thrown her off the range after she almost swept the line (the instructor grabbed her arm before she could finsh the sweep).

Talking to a few friends who have taken the test also, our opinions were that given the short ranges and the time allotted to take your shots, they should have brought the requirements up much higher. The fact that some of these folks even own guns scares me much less that they may pull them and try shooting.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 7:00:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 7:06:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By geneinnc:
Get this, maybe it should be a new topic. There is NO warning when your CCW is ready to expire.



Last time my CCW was due to expire, the Sherrif sent me a post card to let me know he had my new one ready to go, and all I had to do was go in to pick it up and get a new photo taken (part of their $19 fee). Never had any classes, no FBI checks, no finger prints. NICS check and that's it.

If we could just convince NJ to take Philadelphia off our hands, Pa. would be almost perfect.
Link Posted: 12/18/2005 8:40:30 AM EDT
Minnesota's carry training requirements are as follows:

6 to 8 hours of classroom time. That consisted of general gun education, gun safety, carry laws, carry methods including holsters and guns, "Legal Ramifications" and physical effects of being involved in a shooting or pulling your gun for real. Then a firearms shooting test with reloads at various distances and need to get 75%. You get two attempts but I only needed one.

I took my training from Joel Rosenberg who wrote the book, "Everything You Need to Know About (Legally) Carrying a Handgun In Minnesota." ellegon.com/homepage.pshtml
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 1:44:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 1:46:33 AM EDT by fiend]
There were some uh less than savory characters in my course to put it nicely. One person behind me was talking about his assault arrest(asking if it would harm his application process) while dry firing his revolver at various different parts of the class room. Another asked if she could shoot her ex husband if he tried to kidnap her baby(I shit you not). Another showed up an hour late for the course, another just sat there and text messaged people on his cell phone.

I also qualified with my bersa .380, and the people there thought I was some kind of wonder shot. You should have seen some of the peoples targets, there .38 at 7 yards looked like buckshot at 30+ yards.......
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:43:45 PM EDT
I simply meant you get no reminder from the State that your license will be expiring, as we do when our drivers license is about to expire. I don't have a 2009 calendar to make a note on, and I can't remember what I had for lunch.hinking.gif

Maybe I could tatoo the date on my trigger finger!
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 3:08:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fiend:
There were some uh less than savory characters in my course to put it nicely. One person behind me was talking about his assault arrest(asking if it would harm his application process) while dry firing his revolver at various different parts of the class room. Another asked if she could shoot her ex husband if he tried to kidnap her baby(I shit you not).



That freakin creeps me out, man!! Yikes!!
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 1:40:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 1:15:30 PM EDT
Of all NY's dumb laws it is rather funny that there is no CC class at all. They make you jump through hoops to get the permit but no class.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 1:47:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By chrome1:
NY state requires an NRA or equivalent handgun safety
course and money . In most counties , once you have it
It's good for life ..... So Far



NY state does not require any kind of safety class. I got my full CCW permit, but it did take 9 months for approval.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 2:25:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 8:24:46 AM EDT
No CCW class required in NH. Applied, and I got it less than 2 weeks later.

I'd like to take some classes at Sigarms Academy in Exeter, but they're so damn expensive!
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 8:40:28 AM EDT
In PA we don't have CCW class, but several years ago, I did take a PA Act 235 class once that offered a voluntary enactment drill after the class. You entered a darkened room while the instructors ran behind you banging a garbage can lid with a stick and yelling abstract advice in your ears. "FIRE" "SHOOT" "OVER THERE" "HE'S GOT A GUN" "HIT THE DECK" etc. Paper moving targets of various characters were swept toward you from 25 yds. There was a small amount of cover for you to duck behind. It was a timed enactment & you had 3 mags with 3 rounds which you were required to fire and reload during the time frame. You were told about having the three mags and ammo & having to fire in a given time before you entered the room, but that's all you knew going in. I shot at a target of a mailman and almost didn't see a badge on a lady cop. I probably learned as much from the enactment as I did from the class.
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