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Posted: 12/4/2005 7:18:07 PM EDT
A fellow co-worker that also has his CCW was asking me about what I would do if I ever got pulled over and the LEO asked to see my CCW weapon. I'm not sure how it is in other states, but in MO it says CCW right on your drivers licence.

I don't see why an LEO would ever ask to see your carry gun....but if they ever did, what should you do? The guy that I work with said that he was told by a lawyer friend to make the LEO remove the weapon from your person. I can see why that would be a better option that reaching in and pulling out your gun and handing it to the LEO.

Anyone ever had an LEO ask you to identify where your CCW weapon was located on your person....or even go so far as to ask to have it??


Just wondering.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 7:38:01 PM EDT
I have secured a couple of weapons during a DUI checkpoint. Each situation was different and the disarming was different. ALL had been drinking.....they were all below the higher limit we had at the time.

Another time, a guy had a HK P7.....it was in his console (no CCW required here, only for concealed person carry) and I asked if I could see it since I was interested in purchasing one. He let me retrieve it. I traded him, no ticket for 30 over since he let me play with his gun.

Our community has a Nazi concealable firearm registration requirement......so, checking the serial number to see if it registered and verifying the gun is on the permit isn't that uncommon.

Contacts with good people should be far and few between excluding traffic enforcement. Since CCW folks are almost always good people, they should rarely have LE contact.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 9:21:19 PM EDT
Both times i've been pulled over with CCW they have asked for the gun. I handed them my CCW with my DL. Both times they asked where it was, I told them where it was and that there was one in the chamber. One time he reached in and got it out of my glovebox and the other time he had me get out and stand behind my car while he got it out of my glovebox.

Neither of them got excited and were very polite. And both times they told me they were just running the serial number to make sure it wasn't stolen.

Didn't get a ticket either time and was speeding both times. (knock on wood)
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 12:24:12 PM EDT
In VA, there is no "must notify" law, but from what I understand, your DMV record is tagged, so they will know you are at least licensed if not actually carrying. I have only been pulled over once while carrying and I said nothing and neither did he.

Is there a concensus here that it's better to tell just for the sake of disclosure during a traffic stop, or is it better to keep your mouth shut?
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 12:35:01 PM EDT
The one time I was pulled over, I started the officer with my DL and the CCW, then after he had a chance to look at them went into the glove box for the Registration/Insurance stuff. He asked where it was; I told him that it was on my person and he requested I don't make any move to retrieve it. After that it was no big deal. Still, he nailed me for 16 over in a flat section of rural Idaho with no one else on the road. Oh well, that just taught me that I don't want any more run-ins with cops ever.
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 4:00:42 PM EDT
I have never had an officer take possession of my CCW, though in Texas they certainly have the right to during a traffic stop. Instead, they only ask where it is and if it is loaded. I always reply that it is locked and loaded and have never received a ticket either when carrying. I don't give the impression of being a nut that would draw down on a traffic citation but I don't complain about not getting the ticket, :)
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 4:51:32 PM EDT
i have not been stopped for a traffic violation since having my CCW (several years now!).

i have gone thru multiple stops like license checks, DUI checks, etc.

NC requires you to notify the LEO that you have a CCW permit and whether or not you are carrying at the time. no officer has ever responded with anything other than "Thank you, and have a good day".

had i been guilty of some offense such as DUI or excessive speed, i guess it could have been different. i don't disrespect the officers and haven't had any problems. i haven't run into any turds out there in the LEO field yet. i know a few but have never been stopped by them!
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 5:00:09 PM EDT
One LEO told me to put mine in the glove box and step out while he ran my info, he was giving me a ticket for having those ghetto lights on the hood (which were already installed when I bought my truck used), he was polite enough, but he's still a...well, not a nice person...
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 7:21:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2005 7:21:48 PM EDT by VBC]
I was pulled for speeding in March of this year here in VA and when the officer came back with the ticket he asked if I had a weapon in the vehicle and the reason why is because my DL showed I have a carry permit. I didn't have a weapon on me at the time, I told him I didn't, and he said that was ok and that was that.

Link Posted: 12/5/2005 7:30:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 8:11:48 PM EDT
imq707s,

As a side note, when I lived in Missouri I obtained a non-drivers license state picture ID and had my CCW endorsement placed on it rather than my driver’s license. I didn’t like the idea of being outed every time I had to show a driver’s license to a retailer for ID.
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 8:30:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MadMex:
imq707s,

As a side note, when I lived in Missouri I obtained a non-drivers license state picture ID and had my CCW endorsement placed on it rather than my driver’s license. I didn’t like the idea of being outed every time I had to show a driver’s license to a retailer for ID.




Might wanna be careful with that. I know here in KS having a valid ID and DL is a no no. I think you can keep the ID as long as you clip the corner...
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 8:37:51 PM EDT
Got pulled over South of DFW for a headlight out. Yeah, one headlight was out and I was 2 car lengths behind my friend as a precaution.

Officer asks where it is, I say on my hip. He gets me out of the car and reaches in to get it. Didn't turn me or anything (good thing I'm nice ). He sweeps my legs with the muzzle and goes back to run the number. As he unloads it he yells back: "This is a hot weapon!, why are you carrying a hot weapon?!"

"Sir, it's the proper way to carry a holstered Glock 19."

After a while he comes back and hands me the gun slide open, and the round from the chamber. He looks at the mag (which was a LEO hi cap) and asks me how many bullets does it carry.



"It takes 15 rounds".

He looks kind of flustered, and I notice he has a Glock as his duty gun. I really, really tried not to laugh.

"Get the headlight fixed" he says in that condescending tone of voice that I love so much.

Hey, if they want to make money off of the people going 6 miles over, fine.
If they want to pull you over for farting on the interstate, fine.
But I just don't want to have my own gun pointed at me unless it's fair game for me to respond accordingly.

In all fairness, he is one officer in a department and municipality known for...well let's just call it "issues". Most of the LEOs I rarely come in contact with chill when you show a little professional courtesy and a CHL. Hat's off to them...and for the other minority ..." I fart in your general direction".
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 12:38:39 AM EDT
While off-duty in rural Georgia, I was once pulled over for going 32 MPH in a 25 MPH zone. The officer asked me if I had a weapon in the car. At the time, I had three weapons in the car. A HK 94 and Remington 870 in the trunk, and my Glock 17 on my hip. All were loaded, naturally.

The cop went on red alert, like I was a one-man militia. Even though I presented the officer with both my carry permit and my license, I was pulled from the car, searched, Glock taken from my hip, handcuffed, and placed sitting in front of his squad while he took the weapons from my vehicle.

He unloaded the weapons, including all of the extra mags, and put all of the rounds into an evidence bag from his squad. Then, he called each of the weapons into dispatch. After about 30 minutes, dispatch cleared the weapons. He put the weapons back into the trunk of my car, shut it, then uncuffed me and told me I was free to go.

When I asked about my ammo, he informed me that I had to go to his department the next day to claim it. Since I was on business, and his department was about 200 miles from my home, I lost about $90 worth of ammunition.

The most ironic part of the story is that I was also a Deputy Sheriff in another Georgia county at the time. He never opened my wallet to see my badge or sheriff's ID - and idiotic protocol at the time was not to disclose that you were a peace officer unless you were rendering assistance or involved in official business due to a high-number of police using the color of law to get out of traffic citations. I had my Sheriff call his Chief of Police a couple days later, only to discover that there had been no ammunition turned in. hinking.gif
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 3:12:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Camel:
Both times i've been pulled over with CCW they have asked for the gun. I handed them my CCW with my DL. Both times they asked where it was, I told them where it was and that there was one in the chamber. One time he reached in and got it out of my glovebox and the other time he had me get out and stand behind my car while he got it out of my glovebox.

Neither of them got excited and were very polite. And both times they told me they were just running the serial number to make sure it wasn't stolen.

Didn't get a ticket either time and was speeding both times. (knock on wood)



Would you care to share the location, time, and reason for being stopped? I am just curious why an LEO would be suspicious and run your SN; especially in Indiana.

The answer to the original question is no.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 3:24:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/6/2005 3:28:06 AM EDT by Rakky]
Been pulled over for registration 3 times (all in one week, bad week) and speeding (70 in a 30, just got my RX-8, was on a back road by home, cop let me off without even a written warning. lol) and all 4 times the officers were not ASSHOLES, meaning they were respectful of me and my rights, and they trusted me not to do harm to them, just as I trusted them not to do harm to me. After all, do we ask for their weapons? lol. We are certified by the state to carry firearms, just as they are.
More recently my girlfriend and I came across a VERY drunk driver on interstate. REALLY bad. We called 911 and followed him until an officer was able to pull him over. Of course when he came to our car for a statement he asked to see my license. At that point I'm required to inform him of my CHL status and that I'm carrying. AGAIN he was totally cool with it and never asked to see my weapon.
Not sure if I've just been lucky, or if it's my charming demeanor, but I've never, ever had to turn my weapon over. Thank God. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable doing it.

ETA:
I never got a ticket on any of the stops. Actually, I haven't gotten a ticket since 1989, pulled over many a time, but no tickets. Knock on wood.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 3:31:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By septhael:
While off-duty in rural Georgia, I was once pulled over for going 32 MPH in a 25 MPH zone. The officer asked me if I had a weapon in the car. At the time, I had three weapons in the car. A HK 94 and Remington 870 in the trunk, and my Glock 17 on my hip. All were loaded, naturally.

The cop went on red alert, like I was a one-man militia. Even though I presented the officer with both my carry permit and my license, I was pulled from the car, searched, Glock taken from my hip, handcuffed, and placed sitting in front of his squad while he took the weapons from my vehicle.

He unloaded the weapons, including all of the extra mags, and put all of the rounds into an evidence bag from his squad. Then, he called each of the weapons into dispatch. After about 30 minutes, dispatch cleared the weapons. He put the weapons back into the trunk of my car, shut it, then uncuffed me and told me I was free to go.

When I asked about my ammo, he informed me that I had to go to his department the next day to claim it. Since I was on business, and his department was about 200 miles from my home, I lost about $90 worth of ammunition.

The most ironic part of the story is that I was also a Deputy Sheriff in another Georgia county at the time. He never opened my wallet to see my badge or sheriff's ID - and idiotic protocol at the time was not to disclose that you were a peace officer unless you were rendering assistance or involved in official business due to a high-number of police using the color of law to get out of traffic citations. I had my Sheriff call his Chief of Police a couple days later, only to discover that there had been no ammunition turned in.



THOSE are the kinda assholes I was referring to. DAYUM!
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 3:49:24 AM EDT

As a side note, when I lived in Missouri I obtained a non-drivers license state picture ID and had my CCW endorsement placed on it rather than my driver’s license. I didn’t like the idea of being outed every time I had to show a driver’s license to a retailer for ID.



Yep.....I did the exact same thing. I do a lot of traveling, and I figure that's one more thing that airport security doesn't have to bother me about.

I just keep my "non-driver" CCW licence in my wallet under my "drivers" licence.

Link Posted: 12/6/2005 6:10:24 AM EDT
As far as I know, NY state dosen't link your pistol license to your drivers license. I've been pulled over three times since getting my CCW. Once by the NYPD, once by the state police, and once by the the NYC DEP. I wasn't asked by anyone if I was carrying. It's a standard question to ask if there are any drugs or weapons in the car, and I that case I would have to disclose if I'm packing.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 7:29:15 AM EDT
I am in GA and were are not required to inform the officer. HOWEVER, out of respect I always inform the officer. It increases the safety of all involved.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 7:37:41 AM EDT
During my Certification Class, taught by 2 County Sheriffs, this issue came up. In Iowa, LEO's recommend that when you present your DL, you are also to present your CCW permit. If in a car, keep both hands together, out the window with both licenses. If the LEO requests to see your weapon, DO NOT show it to them or attempt to draw or retrieve it. Instead ask the LEO to call his supervisor. However, this approach assumes that a supervisor is available and that the LEO isn't going to bash you in the face with his Maglite or blow your ass away when you ask for his boss to come to the scene. Too many "ASSUMPTIONS" are built into this approach. Thankfully, I haven't had any interactions with LEO's since I received by CCW about 8 years ago.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 7:39:19 AM EDT
Got pulled over for a broken tail light, and all he did was ask where it was. I told him right ankle, and he was good, he gave me a warning, and that was that.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 9:40:42 AM EDT
I've been pulled over twice. Once was shortly after 9/11 in Alexandria VA and it was obvious that the cop was edgy. He had only pulled me over for an expired inspection sticker, but had followed me for two miles. He had already run my tag and I suspect the CHL was part of the reason he decided to turn the lights on.

He asked to see my pistol. He asked if it was registered to me. Virginia doesn't have registration and I politely told him so. He corrected himself and asked if I had bought it new, which I had. The gun was in a holster behind the passenger seat of a seat sports car. I handed it to him in the holster. He went to his car and ran the number. It took about 15 minutes and he came back with a ticket and a handful of ammo that he left on my passenger seat. It was annoying, but nothing more.

The second time was funny. I was driving the same car, but with tags that read "I911A1". The cop approached carefully and stood behind me at the window. He used the typical command voice while telling me why he pulled me over and requested my license and registration. Before I could comply with that order, he asked if I had a gun and where it was. At the time, I was using a chest rig by Action-Direct under a simple button-up dress shirt. Because my left hand was on the wheel, the gun itself was printing through the shirt, in plain sight. I patted the gun with my right hand, over the shirt to illustrate where it was.

I saw the guy blink hard and almost jump out of his skin. He had been looking at it but hadn't recognized it. His attitude instantly changed. He relaxed and his voice switched to nice-guy mode. He joked with me about knowing the speed limit.

He did ask me to exit the car while he went to his. I stood at the back and watched him write something in his car. He walked back and told me "Sir, because you were honest with me about the weapon, I'm going to give you a written warning."

I'm still not quite sure what to make of that. What did he expect? Well, one way or another, my relaxed attitude with him resulted in a warning.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 11:16:19 AM EDT
No, both times I've been carrying and stopped it never came up.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 2:23:38 PM EDT
lol, gooooood question. i have been pulled over for stupid stuff since getting my CCW but the LEO never asked if ihad a weapon and i didnt volunteer it.

BUT i have been asked before and was honest and the mood went from happy-go-lucky to move-and-ill-shoot-your-ass! hahahahaa. in his defense he was a customs/immigration agent in Canada and they are a little more nazi-ish about guns than we are.
But all he did was say, ok, please go to the main building where the officers kindly removed the weapon, checked it into their safe and sent me on my way.

What was WAY more fun was driving back into the NY, which is a pretty nazi state compared to FL. The US Customs people just about shit themselves when i told them i had a gun in the car! it was fun, brought me inside, never actually inspected the weapon, just my CCW permit and once we filled out immigration forms sent me on my way. good times!

The best responce in FL, which was told to me by a lawyer who specializes in gun law, was to not vlounteer anything, and if asked say yes, and i have my CCW Permit in my wallet and to NOT REACH for anything and wait for the officer to instruct you on what to do.

my .02
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 10:37:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By abnk:
Would you care to share the location, time, and reason for being stopped? I am just curious why an LEO would be suspicious and run your SN; especially in Indiana.

The answer to the original question is no.



Both in NW Indiana. First one was around 2am after I got off work on my way home and the other was at about 10:50am on my way to class. Both times I was speeding 65 in a 55 and 46 in a 35.

Not sure why they would be suspicious, i'm young, clean cut and drive a normal truck. I figured they just did it every time, which I don't mind them doing.
Link Posted: 12/7/2005 9:18:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By septhael:
While off-duty in rural Georgia, I was once pulled over for going 32 MPH in a 25 MPH zone. The officer asked me if I had a weapon in the car. At the time, I had three weapons in the car. A HK 94 and Remington 870 in the trunk, and my Glock 17 on my hip. All were loaded, naturally.

The cop went on red alert, like I was a one-man militia. Even though I presented the officer with both my carry permit and my license, I was pulled from the car, searched, Glock taken from my hip, handcuffed, and placed sitting in front of his squad while he took the weapons from my vehicle.

He unloaded the weapons, including all of the extra mags, and put all of the rounds into an evidence bag from his squad. Then, he called each of the weapons into dispatch. After about 30 minutes, dispatch cleared the weapons. He put the weapons back into the trunk of my car, shut it, then uncuffed me and told me I was free to go.

When I asked about my ammo, he informed me that I had to go to his department the next day to claim it. Since I was on business, and his department was about 200 miles from my home, I lost about $90 worth of ammunition.

The most ironic part of the story is that I was also a Deputy Sheriff in another Georgia county at the time. He never opened my wallet to see my badge or sheriff's ID - and idiotic protocol at the time was not to disclose that you were a peace officer unless you were rendering assistance or involved in official business due to a high-number of police using the color of law to get out of traffic citations. I had my Sheriff call his Chief of Police a couple days later, only to discover that there had been no ammunition turned in.



Wow, was he really bored? Plus got some free ammunition. I can't believe you got treated like that... I could see it if maybe you had an attitude... but 30 minutes cuffed plus losing all your ammo. That's horrible. My experience is they hand you back your weapon unloaded, and a nice handful of loose ammo. Sucks he kept $90 worth.

Link Posted: 12/18/2005 3:29:17 PM EDT
I've been through a few road blocks. Our law clearly states put both hands on the stearing wheel, tell the officer you are LEGALLY carried concealed, and ask him how should i proceed. For the most part, the reaction is , Good! What are you carrying? I did happen upon a rookie officer on a road block, did as I should, and he tolod me I should have my permit out for him to see. I nicely told him, the law, and I sure wasn't going to reach for ANYTHING without his prior knowledge. He was a bit stunned, and asked me how I knew that? As luck would have it I had just completed a CCW class, and asked him if he would like a copy of the Rules off CCW from the NC Justice Deptartment. He said he had never heard of any such rules. I happily gave him a booklet, he thanked me & that was that.

I have encountered uniformed officers in public, and if there was any conversation, I go through the same procedure so they will know I am CCW. In the few cases I have had to call LEO to my house, i tell the dispatcher the same, so the officer will know before they arrive.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:17:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rakky:

Originally Posted By septhael:
While off-duty in rural Georgia, I was once pulled over for going 32 MPH in a 25 MPH zone. The officer asked me if I had a weapon in the car. At the time, I had three weapons in the car. A HK 94 and Remington 870 in the trunk, and my Glock 17 on my hip. All were loaded, naturally.

The cop went on red alert, like I was a one-man militia. Even though I presented the officer with both my carry permit and my license, I was pulled from the car, searched, Glock taken from my hip, handcuffed, and placed sitting in front of his squad while he took the weapons from my vehicle.

He unloaded the weapons, including all of the extra mags, and put all of the rounds into an evidence bag from his squad. Then, he called each of the weapons into dispatch. After about 30 minutes, dispatch cleared the weapons. He put the weapons back into the trunk of my car, shut it, then uncuffed me and told me I was free to go.

When I asked about my ammo, he informed me that I had to go to his department the next day to claim it. Since I was on business, and his department was about 200 miles from my home, I lost about $90 worth of ammunition.

The most ironic part of the story is that I was also a Deputy Sheriff in another Georgia county at the time. He never opened my wallet to see my badge or sheriff's ID - and idiotic protocol at the time was not to disclose that you were a peace officer unless you were rendering assistance or involved in official business due to a high-number of police using the color of law to get out of traffic citations. I had my Sheriff call his Chief of Police a couple days later, only to discover that there had been no ammunition turned in.



THOSE are the kinda assholes I was referring to. DAYUM!



CRIMINALS is what they are.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:46:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rakky:

Originally Posted By septhael:
While off-duty in rural Georgia, I was once pulled over for going 32 MPH in a 25 MPH zone. The officer asked me if I had a weapon in the car. At the time, I had three weapons in the car. A HK 94 and Remington 870 in the trunk, and my Glock 17 on my hip. All were loaded, naturally.

The cop went on red alert, like I was a one-man militia. Even though I presented the officer with both my carry permit and my license, I was pulled from the car, searched, Glock taken from my hip, handcuffed, and placed sitting in front of his squad while he took the weapons from my vehicle.

He unloaded the weapons, including all of the extra mags, and put all of the rounds into an evidence bag from his squad. Then, he called each of the weapons into dispatch. After about 30 minutes, dispatch cleared the weapons. He put the weapons back into the trunk of my car, shut it, then uncuffed me and told me I was free to go.

When I asked about my ammo, he informed me that I had to go to his department the next day to claim it. Since I was on business, and his department was about 200 miles from my home, I lost about $90 worth of ammunition.

The most ironic part of the story is that I was also a Deputy Sheriff in another Georgia county at the time. He never opened my wallet to see my badge or sheriff's ID - and idiotic protocol at the time was not to disclose that you were a peace officer unless you were rendering assistance or involved in official business due to a high-number of police using the color of law to get out of traffic citations. I had my Sheriff call his Chief of Police a couple days later, only to discover that there had been no ammunition turned in.



THOSE are the kinda assholes I was referring to. DAYUM!



Shoulda filed armed robbery charges....
Link Posted: 12/24/2005 12:33:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cliffy109:
I've been pulled over twice. Once was shortly after 9/11 in Alexandria VA and it was obvious that the cop was edgy. He had only pulled me over for an expired inspection sticker, but had followed me for two miles. He had already run my tag and I suspect the CHL was part of the reason he decided to turn the lights on.

He asked to see my pistol. He asked if it was registered to me. Virginia doesn't have registration and I politely told him so. He corrected himself and asked if I had bought it new, which I had. The gun was in a holster behind the passenger seat of a seat sports car. I handed it to him in the holster. He went to his car and ran the number. It took about 15 minutes and he came back with a ticket and a handful of ammo that he left on my passenger seat. It was annoying, but nothing more.

The second time was funny. I was driving the same car, but with tags that read "I911A1". The cop approached carefully and stood behind me at the window. He used the typical command voice while telling me why he pulled me over and requested my license and registration. Before I could comply with that order, he asked if I had a gun and where it was. At the time, I was using a chest rig by Action-Direct under a simple button-up dress shirt. Because my left hand was on the wheel, the gun itself was printing through the shirt, in plain sight. I patted the gun with my right hand, over the shirt to illustrate where it was.

I saw the guy blink hard and almost jump out of his skin. He had been looking at it but hadn't recognized it. His attitude instantly changed. He relaxed and his voice switched to nice-guy mode. He joked with me about knowing the speed limit.

He did ask me to exit the car while he went to his. I stood at the back and watched him write something in his car. He walked back and told me "Sir, because you were honest with me about the weapon, I'm going to give you a written warning."

I'm still not quite sure what to make of that. What did he expect? Well, one way or another, my relaxed attitude with him resulted in a warning.



Kills me the dumb shit that "non-gun-people" cops do when they get a CCW "hit" after running a license in Virginia. When I worked in VA, almost every CCW holder I ever stopped told me they were armed, and we usually wound up talking guns and them getting a warning.
I work in Maryland now and we still get the "hit" for a CCW, but they are much fewer up here in the so-called Free State.
Hell, I've been backed up by a CCW holder on one stop late at night on an I95 on-ramp. Guy saw two males exit the car at once and just pulled to the side to make sure I was ok. Made me a little nervous at first, until I saw his NRA Life Member sticker on the vent window and Purple Heart license plates.
he kept his hands on the wheel and said, "I have a Carry permit, sir. They looked like they were getting squirrely. Wanted to make sure you were ok."
God bless him. Locked the driver up for DUI, possesion of marijuana, and passenger for drunk in public.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 12:13:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 12:16:37 PM EDT by ORinTX]
I've been pulled over twice in Texas, both times packing of course. Both times it was the same small town police force, at night. I had dramatically different experiences.

The first time the officer pulled me over for going 10 over and a broken tailight. When he approached the car, I had my dome light on, both hands on the wheel, and my DL and CHL both in hand. I am nothing but polite to cops, even if they're being jerks, and this was no exception. He glanced at the CHL and became noticably more relaxed. We talked guns a little. He was impressed that I had an HK p2000, he said he carries one off duty. He's clearly "one of us." He let me go with a verbal warning.

The second time I was pulled over for going 20 over -- two cops in separate cars had been waiting just on the other side of a speed limit reduction, where it goes from 45 to 25 (commercial, not residential, so it wasn't as obvious.) It was on a section of road I didn't know and I'd missed the sign.

I prepared myself in the same manner (hands on wheel, chl ready, dome light on) and was nothing but polite, but this cop gave me the third degree. "Why are you carrying?" "What are you carrying?" ".357 sig? That's too powerful for civilians!" All the while his partner is blinding me with a surefire. They did everything but unload my gun.

It took them at least 20 minutes to finish running me for warrants. Maybe their computerized system was down. I could hear dispatch on the radio finally clear me.

In the end, they wrote me up for the full 20 over. Now, I deserved to be written up for the full 20 over. I'm not complaining, but in my experience being respectful and polite with a cop and not yanking his chain is good for at least a 5MPH reduction. Maybe they were pissed I was going so fast, but I have a feeling had I not being carrying a gun they'd have been a lot more "easygoing."

As with any profession, you get all types.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 9:32:48 PM EDT
Only reason I have ever been asked by an LEO to see my weapon was because they wanted to fondle it for fun - not because I was being "relinquished" of my weapon.

Right now, as I type this, there are 1 deputy and 1 city copy handling my MAK90 (just put new furniture on it) just for grins......

YMMV
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:34:53 AM EDT
It is "Must Notify (Immediately)" up north... For those of you who do have that additional law, what do you say when the officer approaches your window??

Sir, I am:
1.) "carrying a concealed weapon"
2.) "carrying a concealed handgun"
3.) "have a CCW/CHL"
4.) "required to notify you that I have (one of the above)"
5.) "other???"

If he is speaking to you before you have the chance to say something, do you wait until there is a pause or he's done talking, or should you interrupt him? "Sorry to interrupt you sir, but I do have a concealed weapon on me and I am required to notify you immediately"

I would assume it best to interrupt him (unlike the Mil. hahaha ) if he starts speaking before you have the chance to make him aware of your CCW.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 10:25:58 AM EDT
"Sir, for your safety, I want you to know that I am LEGALLY carrying a concealed weapon, and it is located __________" That's my line. I figure it's best to lay all the cards on the table up front. It avoids trouble later on.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 10:53:18 AM EDT
That about covers it! Thanks
Although you can carry up here without a permit, it couldn't hurt to keep the 'legal' part in there.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 11:03:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 11:03:56 AM EDT by USAF_Hop_N_Pop]
In FL you can legally carry in your car, as long as the weapon is not "on your person" and it is "securely encased" but the law defines "securely encased" as being in any container with a lid or other closure, so you could have it in a holster with a retaining strap, cocked and locked sitting on the passenger seat and you'd be good to go, though I wouldnt reccomend it. Before I got my CCW permit, i'd carry my 92 in the armrest glovebox. Different states have VERY different laws about how you can carry a gun in a car, so I would strongly reccomend looking into it.

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Link Posted: 1/4/2006 11:46:08 AM EDT
In IN I am not required to volunteer that I am carrying unless asked, then I must tell. To my knowledge, there is no link to my CCW on the driving record.

Now the question: When I go into MI, where their citizen must announce that he is carrying ( I'm pretty sure that their DL record flags a CCW), should I volunteer the info or wait till or if he asks me and play dumb? (Registration in IN is not required, so it isn't registered, to give him more fits!)
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 11:47:35 AM EDT
I've been asked, it wasn't official just a buddy on the SO. I declined saying, "Same thing you have, just a lot better"

That tripped him up so I ended up showing him.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:26:39 PM EDT
My personal philosophy is that it is better to tell first, even if you are not expressly required to by law. From what I gathered talking to some friends who are LEO both on the civilian cop side and the Air Force security forces side, they all say it's far better to tell the LEO outright. I think it would be a lot better to volunteer it first than have some stupid thing come up on the computer and then getting taken out of your car, searched and have a gun pop up unexpectedly.

Unless you have a REALLY big ahole for a cop that stops you, there is no harm and only safety that can come from the fact that you are LEGALLY armed being out in the open.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:34:54 PM EDT
No, But I've been stopped a couple of times for traffic warnings and I let them know right off that I am carrying. Just better that way.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:11:30 PM EDT

Now the question: When I go into MI, where their citizen must announce that he is carrying ( I'm pretty sure that their DL record flags a CCW), should I volunteer the info or wait till or if he asks me and play dumb? (Registration in IN is not required, so it isn't registered, to give him more fits!)


In MI you should volunteer this info immediately. And yes DL flags CCW.

paddle3
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 11:01:58 AM EDT
I was at a friends apartment where these girls were fighting out in the parking lot. The girls left and a few minutes later the police showed up. They started carding everyone in the area and when I handed him my CHL and DL he quickly turned into an ass. He told me where to put my hands on my head, I told him where my gun was and that it was loaded. He said "it figures" and ejects the round, leaving it on the ground. He passes the gun off to another officer then lectures me on his interpretation of CHL laws, which were all wrong BTW. Meanwhile the other officer was much more polite he was even asking me questions about my XD. He walked me out into the parking lot and gave me my gun back but made me put the magazine in my sock until they left. The first officer in this case made me very uncomfortable. He obviously did not care for the CHL program. This was the first time I had been carded since I got my permit and I hope it never happens again.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 11:25:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By septhael:
I had my Sheriff call his Chief of Police a couple days later, only to discover that there had been no ammunition turned in.





Would love to see how this turns out!
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 11:30:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By USAF_Hop_N_Pop:
"Sir, for your safety, I want you to know that I am LEGALLY carrying a concealed weapon, and it is located __________" That's my line. I figure it's best to lay all the cards on the table up front. It avoids trouble later on.



I would not be alarmed hearing that... Nice line!
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