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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: I tried a TLR-6 on a Glock 26 and I hated the switch. It was awkward to use. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bradd_D: Originally Posted By KTM300XCW: You can put a TLR-6 on any of those. It's not a bad light and it's compact. Can get with or without visible laser. Different strokes. My finger falls right on the switch. |
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Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: I was recently introduced to Grant Cunningham's take on likelihood and plausibility and how it applies to the equipment we use and how we train. If I have a WML on my EDC, it goes without saying that I would need to train with it to be proficient in its deployment. For me, this would fall to the left of the plausibility line talked about by Grant. Devoting training resources to becoming proficient in something I will likely never use isn't productive. Obviously, opinions on this will vary greatly. Take a look at Grant's article and decide for yourself if you can apply it to your situation. https://www.grantcunningham.com/2018/05/a-new-way-of-looking-at-likelihood-and-plausbility/ View Quote I recommend you watch Aron Cowan from Sage Dynamics to get another perspective. https://youtube.com/user/SageDynamics |
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Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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Originally Posted By KTM300XCW: I recommend you watch Aron Cowan from Sage Dynamics to get another perspective. https://youtube.com/user/SageDynamics View Quote |
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Make sure you tell guys that the 1911 is a pain in the ass - Larry Vickers
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Make sure you tell guys that the 1911 is a pain in the ass - Larry Vickers
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I have a TLR1 on my carry gun because it pulls double-duty as my nightstand gun (convenience) and because carrying my gun with the light is more comfortable than without.
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No. Night sights are as new fangled as I get.
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I’ll give a specific perspective that may apply more broadly in principle.
Working as a farmhand I was shoveling in a dark and dusty grain bin. A few other hands in the bin ran out because they saw something moving in the bin that shouldn’t have. They got ahold of me because they knew I carried. I had a TLR-1HL on an M9A3 and found the groundhog. Despite being broad as daylight outside, it was nice to have a light on my gun in dark environments. |
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Originally Posted By NoDakWolfPack: I'll give a specific perspective that may apply more broadly in principle. Working as a farmhand I was shoveling in a dark and dusty grain bin. A few other hands in the bin ran out because they saw something moving in the bin that shouldn't have. They got ahold of me because they knew I carried. I had a TLR-1HL on an M9A3 and found the groundhog. Despite being broad as daylight outside, it was nice to have a light on my gun in dark environments. View Quote |
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Make sure you tell guys that the 1911 is a pain in the ass - Larry Vickers
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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: Could you have used a handheld? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bradd_D: Originally Posted By NoDakWolfPack: I'll give a specific perspective that may apply more broadly in principle. Working as a farmhand I was shoveling in a dark and dusty grain bin. A few other hands in the bin ran out because they saw something moving in the bin that shouldn't have. They got ahold of me because they knew I carried. I had a TLR-1HL on an M9A3 and found the groundhog. Despite being broad as daylight outside, it was nice to have a light on my gun in dark environments. I think if I was better with a pistol, yes. It was comforting to have both hands dedicated to grip and trigger pull though. |
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Next stop, success!
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XC1Bs on my compacts and x300s on fullsize. The lights these days are light and hardly add any bulk or weight. Better to have and not need then vice versa
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Yep, TLR-1HL on my P320's. I don't though on my pocket guns. I also carry a Streamlight USB microstream.
You didn't ask, but I'd spend the money on a weapon light before a red dot, extendo mags, or pretty much anything else. |
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95% of the time; No. I do keep a X300u and a JMac holster for my carry gun. 5% of the time I use that when I'm going into the city in the dark.
I do, however, always carry a Surefire EDCL1-T in my left pocket. I use that thing all the time and keeps my spare mag oriented the same. |
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I carry a light on my carry gun, P365XL with TLR-7Sub. I use my gun for work (plainclothes assignment) and was used to having a light on my full size P320. Had to clear a trailer one day with my P365and didn’t have a weapon light and realized how convenient a weapon light is. I carry my carry gun in a Divito holster daily.
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No light, I have a laser.
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It’s 2022, not 1993. Of course I have a light on my carry gun (minus my P365 which is exclusively pocket carry, something I rarely do). For me there is zero downside to having a light on my carry gun. It’s dark half the day and regardless of the time of day, it helps mitigate recoil.
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Thanks for all the replies.
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No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
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The only time I'm ever in a place it's so dark that I genuinely can't see is in the woods, where there are zero realistic threats. In town there's a metric crapton of light at all hours. No wml, no night sights. I do have a wml on my bedside gun, and x300u that will easily illuminate someone without being pointed right at them.
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All of my guns with a serious use have weapon lights
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Freedom grows from blood soaked soil...
TX, USA
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Originally Posted By cone256: All of my guns with a serious use have weapon lights View Quote Same plus backup rigs have lights also. I also carry a handheld, keep large flash lights in my truck/draws all over the house, and have battery powered lights that plug into my outlets all over my house. Light is useful for more than just weapons and part of my EDC because the weight penalty far pays for itself if I need a light in the dark. |
Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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No WML, just a Surefire in my pocket
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TLR7A on G 19.5 with an RMR. I live in the country where it’s dark as fuck at night. All of my defensive weapons have WML’s
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When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil
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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: I'm curious. If you couldn't PID, why did you draw your weapon? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bradd_D: Originally Posted By SMC527: Yes a few reasons. I want to be able to PID at the moment before I shoot I want to be able to assess how effective my shots are and the effect they are having on the aggressor I want to be able to see what a downed aggressor is doing while I am covering him after shooting him I want to be able to express to the authorities and a jury that I could tell exactly what was happening and responded appropriately I could think of a number of situations, such as the already mentioned movie theater, where you hear shots somewhere behind you, in a dark parking garage or parking lot where someone shoots another person 10-20 yards away from you, or similar “active shooter” events. There’s a tendency to think of ourselves as being the primary target of an attack or the intended victim, but what if we’re next in line, or a witness to an attack, and now a potential liability to the attacker? I mount a TLR-7A on any pistol that I carry. It’s light, compact, and doesn’t interfere at all with carrying IWB. I see no downside to having it, even if there’s only a once-in-a-lifetime chance I might ever need to use it. I do need to train with it more. Another consideration is that an outing that starts off during the daytime may not end as planned. About 15 years ago, I got stuck at work much later than expected and finally arrived home at 11 PM to find that my front door had been kicked in. I normally turned off the lights when I left in the morning and turned them back on when I got home before dark. In this case, the house was pitch black when I got home. I couldn’t take a pistol to work (federal installation), and I called the police and waited for them to arrive and clear the house, but in the meantime, if I had had a pistol on me, standing outside in my driveway, I certainly would have wanted to have a light on it. |
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Yes, TLR-7A
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Glock 43X with a TLR6 light laser combo.
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No, you don't NEED a light on your edc gun.
But... You also don't NEED an edc gun. You choose to edc a gun as a tool to defend your life. Many people choose not to. Some may choose a weapon light to add functionality to their edc gun, and many others will choose not to. We all make our own risk analysis. I personally choose to carry a gun with a light. It adds a very small amount of extra size and weight to the already cumbersome weapon, but adds an additional functionality that MAY help save my life. Plus it has on/off switches so I'm not forced to use the thing if it's not advantageous to me in the situation. I will not carry one of those lights that comes on as soon as you grip the gun. I also pocket carry a handheld light. |
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The bigger question is how many of you actually train with your WML?
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Make sure you tell guys that the 1911 is a pain in the ass - Larry Vickers
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My bedside 92a1 wears a x300. My typical edc oz9 or airweight j frame do not have lights but I carry a surefire stiletto with them. I have a tlr7a and a tlr1 hl on some pistols as well. I very rarely carry them though on an edc. Prior law enforcement work I carried them on my duty weapons. But now I’m just not using them. If I go to Kansas City or St. Louis I do carry my glock 34 with x300 iwb. But where I live I am not out after dark. In fact I really don’t go anywhere much after dark. I don’t even use my red dot equipped pistol anywhere but the range since I have not been training with it. I just stick to iron sights and situational awareness to keep me out of trouble. Somehow I’m still alive, even after years of traveling the entire country including some rough areas.
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"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
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Negative.
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Happiness is a warm gun,
Bang bang, shoot shoot. The Beatles Nov. 1968 |
TLR-7As on both my Glocks
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Freedom grows from blood soaked soil...
TX, USA
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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: The bigger question is how many of you actually train with your WML? View Quote I have taken an intermediate/introduction course and advanced low/no light course. It was probably the most fun and probably learned the most of any course I have ever taken. I learned more than just white light manipulation but also solo clearing of a structure which I really hope I never have to do alone. The next course I want to take is a rifle low/no light course. I also have a second pistol that is setup exactly like my carry pistol I use to practice manipulation and dry fire practice. |
Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Yup, although it's been a few years since any low light classes. I even do drills with a handheld light in my hand during the day quite often. View Quote |
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Make sure you tell guys that the 1911 is a pain in the ass - Larry Vickers
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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: I think a lot of people like to slap doodads on their gun, but never actually become proficient with them. They'll come up with 87 reasons to put a WML on their EDC, but none as to why they don't make time to train with it. I know you train and take your gear seriously. That's just not the case with many, though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bradd_D: Originally Posted By 03RN: Yup, although it's been a few years since any low light classes. I even do drills with a handheld light in my hand during the day quite often. I agree 100% with that. John Connor in Terminator 4 is not an instructor. |
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"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
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I've actually gone out in the woods and done training...light up target, move, relight it, double tap. Amazing how fast the smoke and light obscure everything.
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I just picked up a SF XSC for my new Hellcat OSP. It will be my first WML that I will consider for CCW. I have X300's and Streamlights on my 5 G19's, but it's just too much for me to AIWB. Now I just have to wait for my holster to be made.
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Yes, TLR6 mounted to a G43X, no laser. It's backup EDC is also getting a TLR6, for my Shield OG 1.0.
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I do, you should too.
That said, a handheld light on body carry is a suitable substitute. |
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"People don't think Cola Warrior be like it is but it do..." - George Washington
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“It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men”
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i do not, currently anway, as i would much prefer to use the flashlight independent from drawing the firearm. so for edc a separate Surefire EDC 2 flashlight is in my back pocket and my m11a1 does not have a rail. but might nightstand guns both have WML on them.
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I keep a TLR-HL on all pistols. I do carry a Micro and Macrostream as EDC.
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I survived the cockpocalypse of 11/21/2012.
Bacon grease, the Muslim approved .mil lubricant. |
Nope, SureFire in my pocket.
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Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: I could think of a number of situations, such as the already mentioned movie theater, where you here shots somewhere behind you, in a dark parking garage or parking lot where someone shoots another person 10-20 yards away from you, or similar “active shooter” events. There’s a tendency to think of ourselves as being the primary target of an attack or the intended victim, but what if we’re next in line, or a witness to an attack, and now a potential liability to the attacker? I mount a TLR-7A on any pistol that I carry. It’s light, compact, and doesn’t interfere at all with carrying IWB. I see no downside to having it, even if there’s only a once-in-a-lifetime chance I might ever need to use it. I do need to train with it more. Another consideration is that an outing that starts off during the daytime may not end as planned. About 15 years ago, I got stuck at work much later than expected and finally arrived home at 11 PM to find that my front door had been kicked in. I normally turned off the lights when I left in the morning and turned them back on when I got home before dark. In this case, the house was pitch black when I got home. I couldn’t take a pistol to work (federal installation), and I called the police and waited for them to arrive and clear the house, but in the meantime, if I had had a pistol on me, standing outside in my driveway, I certainly would have wanted to have a light on it. View Quote This place needs a like button. The only situations/suggestions I can add is that you might need to be doing something with your non firing hand and still require a light on the threat, such as calling the police. |
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Originally Posted By bigern314: Thinking of getting some kydex holsters for my carry guns that are setup for lights, of course this means they are largely model specific for the type of light I'm carrying. But I'm thinking, do I need to have a light on my EDC gun? Its not like my house where I would need that if I'm investigating something on my property and don't want to shoot a family member or whatnot. If its so dark I'm having trouble seeing and I'm out on the street I'm probably going to use that to retreat from the situation. It will make the gun heavier as well. Do you find a weapon mounted light a key part of your EDC setup? View Quote My three most likely carry guns on any given day all have lights. My G19C has a TLR1HL. My G43x and G48 both have TLR-6s on them. I like having a light on a carry gun. |
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EP429: Today's lesson - Don't provoke ARFCOM. People will see your butthole.
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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: I was recently introduced to Grant Cunningham's take on likelihood and plausibility and how it applies to the equipment we use and how we train. If I have a WML on my EDC, it goes without saying that I would need to train with it to be proficient in its deployment. For me, this would fall to the left of the plausibility line talked about by Grant. Devoting training resources to becoming proficient in something I will likely never use isn't productive. Obviously, opinions on this will vary greatly. Take a look at Grant's article and decide for yourself if you can apply it to your situation. https://www.grantcunningham.com/2018/05/a-new-way-of-looking-at-likelihood-and-plausbility/ View Quote Statistically you could likely apply that same logic to a carry gun....assuming you don't live in the hood. Personally I put a light on any pistol I carry or might use for serious use outside of the range. It's dark 50% of the time, more in the winter and I can't always predict when the quick trip to the store with the wife in the afternoon turns into a 3 hour ordeal and it's dark by the time we get out. I carry a small flash light too but prefer the idea of being able to use my gun & light at the same time and still have a free hand available if needed. I don't disagree with your concept on training, if your going to carry a gun with a light you should train with the light....and I do regularly. |
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EP429: Today's lesson - Don't provoke ARFCOM. People will see your butthole.
"75% of all hospitalization for C****-19 have received mRNA shots" -Martin248 |
Originally Posted By fox2008: Statistically you could likely apply that same logic to a carry gun....assuming you don't live in the hood. Personally I put a light on any pistol I carry or might use for serious use outside of the range. It's dark 50% of the time, more in the winter and I can't always predict when the quick trip to the store with the wife in the afternoon turns into a 3 hour ordeal and it's dark by the time we get out. I carry a small flash light too but prefer the idea of being able to use my gun & light at the same time and still have a free hand available if needed. I don't disagree with your concept on training, if your going to carry a gun with a light you should train with the light....and I do regularly. View Quote |
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Make sure you tell guys that the 1911 is a pain in the ass - Larry Vickers
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