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Posted: 9/5/2019 10:58:17 PM EDT
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Steve Chaney, Baton Rouge PD in 1977 Page 37 Originally a Massad Ayoob article in American Handgunner. |
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Posted: 9/5/2019 11:07:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis fellow is very, very fast at reloading his revolver. With an autoloader, he'd be three times faster, less likely to fumble it, and he'd only have to reload a third as often. There's a reason pretty much every police department and every military outfit has ditched their revolvers. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 5:10:17 AM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3H-_WQwAI&t=2116s
About 1:07:00 into the vid they talk about a revolver reload in a fight. |
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Posted: 9/9/2019 9:08:58 PM EDT
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Miami Dade shoot out 1986. Mirales reloaded his 38 Another agent, across the street, emptied his revolver, went to back-up J-frame, fired a round, then reloaded his full size revolver to continue the fight. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 8:18:39 PM EDT
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My FIL was a deputy sheriff in Louisiana in the 80s. Carried a Colt Trooper MkIII. He shot at and disabled the getaway car of some half-assed bank robbers on one occasion, but I don't know if he had to reload.
What saved his life one day was the perp who got his revolver NOT knowing how to reload it. Pop got one round off into the perp and lost his revolver to him when they went hands-on and to the ground. Perp got off the other five rounds, hitting Pop three times. While he was trying to figure out how to reload with the speed loader, backup arrived... |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 8:30:20 PM EDT
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 TILL IT'S EMPTY |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:20:23 PM EDT
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Most gun fights were not historically recorded. For purposes of a police investigation maybe, but not something readily available online. Unless it was some watershed event, like Miami and Newhall, like mentioned. When revolvers were standard in police use, reloads were taught and used in quals. How often they happened on the street, who knows. I have talked with two old cops who have used revolvers in shootings. Neither reloaded, one dropping the bad guy at close range wth one shot, the second getting hit in his primary arm and emptying his cylinder with his weak hand and then going for his backup revolver, which he didn’t fire. I’m sure that some time in almost 100 years of revolvers being the prevalent sidearm, someone has reloaded one during a fight. My 642 is primarily a BUG. I do not carry a reload for it. |
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Posted: 9/30/2019 6:08:39 AM EDT
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Won my Division....
       
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Posted: 10/3/2019 11:56:45 AM EDT
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That PASGT, shield and duct tape. Nice!
Looks like a a very good time. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 10:23:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/26/2019 8:25:21 AM EDT
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In this excellent thread on Lightfighter.net, Pat Rogers talks about executing a reload during a gunfight...
https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/revolvers-ii?page=4 |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 9:14:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok. So you want to see if a gun that holds more rounds and has to do less reloads, shoots faster than a gun that holds less rounds and has to do more reloads. I can do that math in second grade before I picked up a handgun. You want to do more shooting and less reloading. Not the same of both. A fool knows you can do one reload faster than three. The type of gun makes no difference. And I would have to do the third just to shoot one round. We do it on plate shoots. Everyone loads 5 per. 15 round course Revolvers load 5 Semis 5 in each mag. Quite a few of the semi guys drop mags (which then by rules can't be used) so they take 5 misses. Rarely do the revolver guys drop anything. As to old tech being inferior. Years ago I did CAS. I carried 1858s with conversion cylinders. When we had one round reloads I used an extra conversion cylinder with one round that I kept in a bp cylinder pouch on my belt. I always reloaded way faster than the Colts. If you practice with it, it is almost as fast as a modern speed loader |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 9:39:59 AM EDT
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Amazingly, officer Chaney was indeed able to reload his revolver during a fight. But he got hit with a tire iron and stabbed while he was doing it. Which pretty much illustrates the point I'm trying to make. If you rely on reloads of any kind during a CCW situation, you are not at all prepared. Chaney got lucky |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 10:56:00 AM EDT
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There are things I like about revolvers over Auto's. Reloading isn't one of them. I have done 12 - 12's with a K frame shooting 38's. It is easier with a 9mm.
that is 12 rounds 12 seconds, 1 reload starting from holster |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 10:55:59 AM EDT
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Heard some stories from guys who were S.W.A.T./ cops in The 80s. They couldn’t have speed loaders because they looked “too aggressive” on the belt.
Reloading from speed strips or a little pouch was the norm, and they all hated them. Especially if they couldn’t load a full cylinder to get back in a fight. |
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Posted: 11/30/2019 9:20:52 PM EDT
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There's a way to solve that. We do it on plate shoots. Everyone loads 5 per. 15 round course Revolvers load 5 Semis 5 in each mag. Quite a few of the semi guys drop mags (which then by rules can't be used) so they take 5 misses. Rarely do the revolver guys drop anything. As to old tech being inferior. Years ago I did CAS. I carried 1858s with conversion cylinders. When we had one round reloads I used an extra conversion cylinder with one round that I kept in a bp cylinder pouch on my belt. I always reloaded way faster than the Colts. If you practice with it, it is almost as fast as a modern speed loader Why would anyone in a gunfight deliberately handicap himself? |
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Posted: 12/23/2019 8:24:21 AM EDT
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The problem is, that the vast majority of shootouts, whether using a revolver or a semi-auto, don't require a reload.
One agency I worked for, which had a lot of shootings, had figured out that our per gun fight shot average was 2.6 rounds in a seven year period before I retired in 2010. And, this number was skewed because of one agent who had fired 45 rounds from an M-4 in a shootout in Afghanistan. So, I doubt it was much different in wheelman days (which I was around for). Even now, most of the time, when you see officers dumping two or three mags in an engagement, they really would have been better off aiming more and shooting less. |
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Posted: 12/23/2019 8:36:28 AM EDT
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Same here. I found it a lot more natural than the other styles. Mostly because it made use of both hands more efficiently. Now you all have me wanting to go to the range with some .44spl and do reloading practice. |
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Posted: 12/27/2019 7:14:22 PM EDT
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I'm not reading the entire thread as I find carrying a revolver, in today's world, a poor choice. However, the OP might find a record of revolver reloads buried in the 1986 Miami Shoot Out.
Short story: carry an autoloader. |
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Posted: 12/28/2019 3:45:34 PM EDT
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Came across this quote on the Lucky Gunner website:
"It may not be impossible to reload a revolver during a gunfight, but you’ll have a tough time finding any examples of it happening in the real world. Tom Givens, one of the most experienced and respected firearms instructors in the country, has been quoted as saying, 'In 40 years I’ve been doing this, I have never found a case where someone successfully reloaded a revolver in a close range gunfight.' Since 90-95% of armed civilian gun fights happen inside the “close range” of 7 yards, I’d say your chances of pulling off that revolver reload are slim to none. On the other hand, we have plenty of examples of botched revolver reload attempts under fire." |
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Posted: 12/28/2019 4:44:59 PM EDT
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Came across this quote on the Lucky Gunner website: "It may not be impossible to reload a revolver during a gunfight, but you’ll have a tough time finding any examples of it happening in the real world. Tom Givens, one of the most experienced and respected firearms instructors in the country, has been quoted as saying, 'In 40 years I’ve been doing this, I have never found a case where someone successfully reloaded a revolver in a close range gunfight.' Since 90-95% of armed civilian gun fights happen inside the “close range” of 7 yards, I’d say your chances of pulling off that revolver reload are slim to none. On the other hand, we have plenty of examples of botched revolver reload attempts under fire." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dont-carry-reload/amp/ https://sofrep.com/gear/saturday-screeds-put-bullets-meaty-bits/ Reloads really aren't the significant factor some are trying to make them. |
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Posted: 12/28/2019 5:00:39 PM EDT
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... Reloads really aren't the significant factor some are trying to make them. With five-round revolvers, maybe they are. |
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Posted: 12/28/2019 5:42:36 PM EDT
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With fifteen-round pistols, reloads probably aren't a significant factor. With five-round revolvers, maybe they are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Reloads really aren't the significant factor some are trying to make them. With five-round revolvers, maybe they are. |
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